Thanos vs Apocalypse

[veikuri]

it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.

What is your point? You just arguing to argue cause you keep making a bunch of statements that don't mean anything. Storm is much more powerful than Spiderman, but Spiderman is much faster and more durable. Will he lose more often than not against Storm. Of course. Is it crazy to believe that he could blitz a team with Storm in it and get the better of them before they really knew what was going on. Of course not. Is it bad writing or extreme plot dependend that would make that happen? Nope.

My point is that you're over hyping Spider-Man. He isn't seeing a team of X-Men unless its a squad catered for him to beat. Even taking out Storm out of the equation he still isn't beating that team.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.

What is your point? You just arguing to argue cause you keep making a bunch of statements that don't mean anything. Storm is much more powerful than Spiderman, but Spiderman is much faster and more durable. Will he lose more often than not against Storm. Of course. Is it crazy to believe that he could blitz a team with Storm in it and get the better of them before they really knew what was going on. Of course not. Is it bad writing or extreme plot dependend that would make that happen? Nope.

My point is that you're over hyping Spider-Man. He isn't seeing a team of X-Men unless its a squad catered for him to beat. Even taking out Storm out of the equation he still isn't beating that team.

lol I'm not overhyping Spiderman. You're just taking what I'm saying an blowing it out of proportion. I never claimed that Spiderman would be a consistent X-men team buster. Once again, as I've said before, that's not the point. The point was that no one should have a problem with a character like Apocalypse giving the X-men trouble solo. I just used Spiderman because that's an example that even a character much weaker than Apocalypse can give teams trouble under the right circumstances.

 

[Peace_79]

This is an interesting topic to me.

I appears that the concensus is that Thanos would make light work of Apocalypse.

Can someone explain why this is?

I am far more versed in the X-men the other comicbook backstories.

 

[veikuri]

This is an interesting topic to me.

I appears that the concensus is that Thanos would make light work of Apocalypse.

Can someone explain why this is?

I am far more versed in the X-men the other comicbook backstories.

Because I can't think of anything Apocalypse can do that Thanos wouldn't do better.

 

[Peace_79]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

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Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

 

[Paprika]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

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Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

For the molecular manipulation that Apocalypse has, think of Mystique being able to mimic the look of anyone she sees or knows. He's able to transform his body (and parts of it) into any shape, size, weapon or density. He is also quite malleable like Mr. Fantastic but is able to retain the bone crushing hits of his normal form.

Some examples of what he can do include turning into a jet, turning his hands into blast canons. Psionic means he's capable of using psychic abilities, like telepathy. He faced off against Jean (Phoenix) on the Astral plane.

For Thanos, think of Juggernaut's helmet. He's protected from all mind attacks unless someone removed his helmet. In Thanos' case, only top tier telepaths can battle him: Stryfe, Nate Grey, Phoenix.

Psionic blasts are psychic blasts that target the mind and cosmic beams are powerful blasts that are used by galactic beings like Silver Surfer.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

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Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

 

[Paprika]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

-----------------

Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

To be fair, he did bring Hulk (Onslaught era) to his knees. Writers tend to give Apocalypse some of the worst showings.

His resume is quite strong however, beat the High Evolutionary, Ikaris of the Eternals, Loki, Thor, tanked a disintegrating blast from Stryfe. Turns people into stone and took over Stryfe's body.

I'd say it's a close fight.

Are we allowed to post scans on this site?

 

[Peace_79]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

-----------------

Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

For the molecular manipulation that Apocalypse has, think of Mystique being able to mimic the look of anyone she sees or knows. He's able to transform his body (and parts of it) into any shape, size, weapon or density. He is also quite malleable like Mr. Fantastic but is able to retain the bone crushing hits of his normal form.

Some examples of what he can do include turning into a jet, turning his hands into blast canons. Psionic means he's capable of using psychic abilities, like telepathy. He faced off against Jean (Phoenix) on the Astral plane.

For Thanos, think of Juggernaut's helmet. He's protected from all mind attacks unless someone removed his helmet. In Thanos' case, only top tier telepaths can battle him: Stryfe, Nate Grey, Phoenix.

Psionic blasts are psychic blasts that target the mind and cosmic beams are powerful blasts that are used by galactic beings like Silver Surfer.

Thanks a lot. This all makes perfect sense to me. Given what you know who do you think would win in a match?

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

-----------------

Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

Are we allowed to post scans on this site?

I've seen it done in other threads...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Interesting ...

Apocalypse

He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...

Thanos

Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

-----------------

Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

To be fair, he did bring Hulk (Onslaught era) to his knees. Writers tend to give Apocalypse some of the worst showings.

His resume is quite strong however, beat the High Evolutionary, Ikaris of the Eternals, Loki, Thor, tanked a disintegrating blast from Stryfe. Turns people into stone and took over Stryfe's body.

I'd say it's a close fight.

Are we allowed to post scans on this site?

If I'm not mistaken that was Mr. Fixit or some other weaker version of the Hulk. Apocalypse isn't fucking with Savage Hulk let alone Worldbreaker. You can post scans on this site.

 

[Paprika]

 

[Bcotton5]

He didnt beat Thor, he beat unworthy Odinson

 

[veikuri]

if Apocalyse fought Hulk it would probably end like this

 

[nicky the don]

Thanos mops him easy.

 

[Ajackson17]

Didn't thor beat apocalypse before he gotten his hammer?

 

[Peace_79]

I see Thanos winning ... but easily?

Y'all gotta convince me on that...

I mean just take one ability - Apocalypse has complete control of every molecule within his body

That basically means he can literally do whatever he wants, physically

• Super strength
  
• Phasing through matter
  
• Shape shifting into anything
  
• Teleporting
  
• Malleable form
  
• Invisibility
  
• Virtual invulnerability
  
• Elasticitity
  
• Super Speed
  
• Super Athleticism
  
• Size Alteration
  
• Flight
  
• Even transmutation of other beings...
  

 

[Peace_79]

Doing some research, tho it appears that Thanos has more than proven himself against the likes of Galactus and Odin...

That may be the cause for the callous response to the question ...

 

[nicky the don]

Thor did beat him with the enchanted axe Jarbron(?). Apocalypse whipped him when Thor was young, Thor disobeyed Odin who told him to drop it, then used blood magic I think to make the axe cut thru Celestial armor, which Apoc has. They were being used by Kang, and the Apoc twins used the axe in the present to kill a Celestial.

Thanos is either equal or a level below Odin, not counting the Death stuff.

 

[veikuri]

I see Thanos winning ... but easily?

Y'all gotta convince me on that...

I mean just take one ability - Apocalypse has complete control of every molecule within his body

That basically means he can literally do whatever he wants, physically

• Super strength
  
• Phasing through matter
  
• Shape shifting into anything
  
• Teleporting
  
• Malleable form
  
• Invisibility
  
• Virtual invulnerability
  
• Elasticitity
  
• Super Speed
  
• Super Athleticism
  
• Size Alteration
  
• Flight
  
• Even transmutation of other beings...
  

None of that stuff is going to do much to Thanos...

 

[Paprika]

Thanos easily beats Apocalypse besides Celestial armor he can't beat Thanos. Apocalypse did beat Hulk though and then made him one of his Horsemen. That's actually when Hulk was his strongest when he was War

You can't argue what Apocalypse is without the armor unless you want to strip Thanos of all his upgrades.

I believe it would be a close match. Apocalypse is savvy. Thanos, if he did beat Odin I'll give him the fight.