Tech N9ne Doesn't Believe Jay Z or Lil Wayne Freestyle Lyrics

[NothingButTheTruth]

I think these days you can tell that they both dont write lyrics. I remember when TI came out and said he started to do shit off the dome and we got TI vs TIP. He said he started writing again and we got Paper Trail. Theyre cheating fans by doing that shit.

Maybe Wayne, since he made a shift from writing to not writing so we can tell the difference, but Jay has always skipped the writing step from what I've heard... so if Jay started writing and editing and shit, he wouldn't sound like the JayZ we know.

Not writing is actually apart of Jay's sound to me. It makes shit sound more natural vs. strict structure.

Plus chances are if JayZ starting writing, he would transform into some overly lyrical nigga and that shit doesn't carry over well to the mainstream fans.

But then again maybe he does need to start writing, since his mind isn't as sharp anymore lol.

 

[Already Home_17]

"it be the man that write checks with the hand that don't write"

 

[The Lonious Monk]

They don't write. They just punch in bars, stop & then punch in some more. It's the same dam thing as writing and it ain't hard to do at all.

Exactly. And it's not good to do that either. Big Boi did it for the first Outkast album. Then Dre taught him how to write the lyrics down and craft them, and Big has been improving lyrically ever since. I don't care who you are or what kind of writing you do, you product can only get better by you writing it down and going over it a few times.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

They don't write. They just punch in bars, stop & then punch in some more. It's the same dam thing as writing and it ain't hard to do at all.

Cosign, except writing takes longer since it can mess up your thought process. Most people don't type or write lines as fast as they think of them.

It's the same feeling you get when you're reading a book, and you stop to take notes. That shit messes up your flow.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Exactly. And it's not good to do that either. Big Boi did it for the first Outkast album. Then Dre taught him how to write the lyrics down and craft them, and Big has been improving lyrically ever since. I don't care who you are or what kind of writing you do, you product can only get better by you writing it down and going over it a few times.

You might get (the perception of) a better product, but you lose the natural flow of things. Now the verse has a higher chance of coming out extra mechanical on some rhyme ever word shit or line up every syllable shit or even some overly complex shit like Aesop Rock and them.

Some people like that shit, but most don't.

 

[international]

Was actually trying to avoid this thread, but fuck it... What exactly is the purpose of not having to write shyt down? Just so you could seem brighter, smfh...and how long does that process take, tech made it seem like it wasn't that quick of a process, then forgetting and trying to remember , jay himself said he lost materials worth of music becuz of this shyt, then you'd get a nigga like PAC that would have 5 songs knocked out in less than hour and outshine the fuck outta these type niggaz, foh, with this shyt...these niggaz stay trying to look for ways to seem 'superior' but fail, miserably, at least in the eyes of those that identify the bs that these niggaz stay tryna pull, smh

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Exactly. And it's not good to do that either. Big Boi did it for the first Outkast album. Then Dre taught him how to write the lyrics down and craft them, and Big has been improving lyrically ever since. I don't care who you are or what kind of writing you do, you product can only get better by you writing it down and going over it a few times.

You might get (the perception of) a better product, but you lose the natural flow of things. Now the verse has a higher chance of coming out extra mechanical on some rhyme ever word shit or line up every syllable shit or even some overly complex shit like Aesop Rock and them.

Some people like that shit, but most don't.

I have no idea what you're talking about and don't agree that happens. Again, Big Boi is someone who admitted to originally doing what Wayne and Jay say they do, and he changed it up. His verses are no more mechanical than they ever were, but the lyrics are better crafted. There is absolutely no reason writing your lyrics as they come to mind should change anything. As a matter of fact, nowadays you don't even have to write yourself. As many speech to text options as there are out there now, you can spit that shit, capture it, and then refine it easily. There is no way in hell you're going to tell me that a nigga like Wayne couldn't improve that garbage he spits by revising it a little after the fact.

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

"know the same shit I don't write be the illest shit that's ever been recited in the game word to the hyphen in my name"

 

[ItzGravitation]

what if i say....clear

 

[c.b.b.]

I think these days you can tell that they both dont write lyrics. I remember when TI came out and said he started to do shit off the dome and we got TI vs TIP. He said he started writing again and we got Paper Trail. Theyre cheating fans by doing that shit.

True, 90% of rappers spud better writing their lines down IMO. Most rappers that don't write, their music lacks structure and verses are incoherent

 

[ItzGravitation]

I think these days you can tell that they both dont write lyrics. I remember when TI came out and said he started to do shit off the dome and we got TI vs TIP. He said he started writing again and we got Paper Trail. Theyre cheating fans by doing that shit.

True, 90% of rappers spud better writing their lines down IMO. Most rappers that don't write, their music lacks structure and verses are incoherent

??????

 

[c.b.b.]

Sound lol

 

[blackrain]

I think these days you can tell that they both dont write lyrics. I remember when TI came out and said he started to do shit off the dome and we got TI vs TIP. He said he started writing again and we got Paper Trail. Theyre cheating fans by doing that shit.

I agree about TI...and even Wiz. He said he stopped writing before Rolling Papers and we see what we've gotten since then lyrically from Wiz. There's nothing wrong with writing your lyrics down and I think Jay made it seem like the cool thing to be able to do so alot of rappers tried to follow. I remember even Ja Rule saying he stopped writing lyrics down after Rule 33:6 came out...you can tell when a rapper goes from writing to not writing vs. a rapper whose simply never written down their lyrics. For rappers who used to write there's usually a noticeable decline in their lyrics

 

[Busta Carmichael]

if u watch fade to black when jay records 99 problems u can see he freestyles. No pen no pad just off the dome. Even Rick Ruben says that's craazy.

And he admitted that it's not compelety off the dome. He wrote some of it here and there but he has a nopepad in his mind. So he just uses different verses that he wrote and throw them together

 

[south4life]

Biggie kind of started that, Jay ran with it and now every rapper trying to do the same, Biggie was unique to me because the amount of weed he smoked, this nigga could still go in the booth and rip shit off the dome.

 

[qawshun]

It's not hard to do songs without writing. Jay explained how to do it on the blueprint album

 

[Ranxx]

Artist do what works for them there no right or wrong to it. But this word freestyle gets twisted these days, only nigga i recall regularly going off the dome on album cuts is Snoop.

 

[Bcotton5]

MMM! Damn! Wayne is too good!

 

[Vader_F_Kennedy]

MMM! Damn! Wayne is too good!

Bruh

 

[tompetrez3]

DJ Screw and the SUC been doing it longer than Jay Z and Biggie. It's not a big deal. All Texas rappers have it in the blood to spit at least 50 lines from the dome at any given time over any given beat. I can rip 12-16 bars in my sleep one take. Listen to a DJ Screw freestyle at regular speed and the weakest rapper on the tape can freestyle 3 verses easily. Fat Pat and Lil Keke were making songs live on the fly. Fuck punching in and out. Texas niggas been mastered that off the dome shit before the mid 90s came. As usual the Brooklyn boy wanna be a Texas nigga so bad. He stop claiming Europe now all he does is shout H Town on his records. Fat Pat would eat Jay Z and biggie for breakfast in a freestyle battle. That nigga spit 100 bar verses like it ain't nothing. I'm SCARED of what ESG would do to Jay Z. Lil Keke vs Jay Z. U kidding me LMFAO