Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[Go figure...]

You'd also know that it will be a form of human, however there is no significance in that either. Those are specific facts about the child, not all facts about it; thus that is not an example of omniscience.

For this reason, an example limited knowledge is not comparable to an example of infinite knowledge.

check da link

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness.

1. LOL at an adult actually believing this.

2. If God needs to carry out a plan in order to manifest anything, he's not actually all-powerful to begin with. Hmmm....

3. What an egomaniac this faggot Jehovah is.

 

[fiat_money]

http://www.gotquestions.org/if-God-knew.html

thorough explanation for why God would create us if he knew he would sin

"God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out."

Any theories as to "why" would be irrelevant here, since the results of "God's" actions are being discussed, not the reason for the actions.

Therefore, it still stands that:
"the moment 'God' 'made' the first humans, he knew exactly what the results of his actions would be"

Consequently:
"Even funnier is that since god is apparently omnipotent and omniscient, every single abortion that has and will happen is his fault."

 

[fiat_money]

Amusing thread.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Considering how easy it is to kill an infant, you'd have to monitor/protect all infants in existence, so that the parents or others won't be able to kill them. The grim alternative would be killing all zygotes/embryos/fetuses so that none would ever become infants; which would mean no infants would be killed.

Either way, there is no practical way to prevent infanticide; there are just too many infants out there and they're too easy to kill.

And who's choice/decision does that fall on?

 

[fiat_money]

And who's choice/decision does that fall on?

Whoever has the means/desire to do so.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

And who's choice/decision does that fall on?

If an omnipotent and omniscient being exists, it's on him.

 

[fiat_money]

If an omnipotent and omniscient being exists, it's on him.

Well that can't be the case, since infants are constantly killed; so either the omnipotent/omniscient being doesn't exist or it doesn't care.

Pic unrelated:

 

[Disciplined InSight]

If an omnipotent and omniscient being exists, it's on him.

How so?

Whoever has the means/desire to do so.

Man, better yet woman or God?

 

[fiat_money]

Man, better yet woman or God?

Whoever has the means/desire to do so.

Definition of WHOEVER :
whatever person : no matter who —used in any grammatical relation except that of a possessive

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

How so?

If this character is ever present, all powerful, and all knowing, then not only is he responsible for everything that occurs, he is also aware of what the results will be and has already decided they are acceptable.

Bruh. Stop lying.

 

[DarcSkies]

Im not angry just annoyed by the attitude/arrogance of most Christians.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

If this character is ever present, all powerful, and all knowing, then not only is he responsible for everything that occurs, he is also aware of what the results will be and has already decided they are acceptable.

Bruh. Stop lying.

I'm not lying. The way you feel....he's responsible for all the evil in this world right? Okay let's do it your way.

Hypothetically speaking...

.... let's say that at this very moment, God declared that all evil in the world will now simply cease to exist.(murder, genocide, abortion, rape, etc..) Every human being on the planet - present company included - would simply vanish into oblivion. Would this solution be preferable to you?

 

[supaman4321]

If this character is ever present, all powerful, and all knowing, then not only is he responsible for everything that occurs, he is also aware of what the results will be and has already decided they are acceptable.

Bruh. Stop lying.

I've posed this to you before

If I put a bullet in your brain is it acceptable by God because it happened, is your atheism acceptable because it's allowed?

you mistake his Mercy for acceptance you, me, and everybody else that has existed for all that our hands have sent fourth

so when questioned why you were an ignorant prejudiced antagonist you'll blame Allah because he's All-Knowing knows of your existence and powerful enough to stop you but still allows your heart to beat without fail or force you to change yourself against your will?

Subhan'Allah!

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

If an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being exists, then everything that happens is because he made it so.

But fortunately, there is no reason to think that such a being exists.

 

[Stack Money]

Its amazin how Atheists always say they put their belief in themselves and live life the way they want to but when someone brings up religion they quick to say errythang's all God's fault, God gave us the choice to do what we want and told us the proper way to behave so if we do wrong its on us (the people Atheists put their faith in) not God. Niggas need to quit comin wit that wack argument and take responsibility for they own actions, not go "If God exists it's his fault for not stopin us from doin wrong". FOH

Me personally i dont even see the point in agruein with atheists they all goin to hell anyway. FUCK'EM

I know I'm mad late, but you do realize it was Steve Harvey in the video who said "If you don't believe in God you're an idiot." Come on b don't be retarded. Try to at least have some ethics in your reasoning and arguments.

And you atheists are the ones who got all offended and caught feelins...

I stole a pen from a job one time. I'll never forgive myself.

Do you call Jehovah a murderer for the Flood? Howabout the occupants of the city of Jericho? The people of Sodom?

Oh, but that don't count to you, because Jehovah is your slavemaster and you're afraid to question him, even when he's a raging psychopath.

Why do you Jesus Freaks ask the dumbest fucking questions in the world and expect logical answers? He wasnt DODGING your question he was attempting to show you through Socratic means how asking that question in the first place was at the very least laughable.



"Since you dont believe in God what morals do you live by?" REALLY?!!??!?! Are you fucking serious?

Let me go ask a scubba diver: "Since you're under water...what oxygen do you breath by? How are you not dead?"

Oh thats right dumb fucking question...There are more ways to breath oxygen than atmospheric air. There are more ways to be moral than by religion.

In fact; Religion has excused, rape, child molestation, murder, genocide, slavery, and since you Jesus Freaks just LOVE to use the "we all fall short of God's glory," Bible verse out of context it also excuses any sin imaginable because you idiots think anything you do is perfectly OK so long as you say, "my bad" to your imaginary friend Jesus when you're done fornicating, lying, cheating, stealing, gossiping, bearing false witness, and every other sin you hypocrite Jesus Freaks dont even think twice about.

The arrogance is astounding. Where do they make you people?

How can you ask a dumb question then stand back with your arms folding like, "yeah...I really got him there. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION PAL! OHHHHH you're dodging the question!" No homie. Its just that the question is intellectually insulting and shouldn't be dignified with an answer. At least not a serious one.

Im not angry just annoyed by the attitude/arrogance of most Atheists.

Fixed and its funny how Atheists always single out Christianity to attack as if thats the only religion out there, further proves why I always say that most Atheists are just wannabe rebels goin against what's popular to look edgy and cool. Kinda like those wackass Satanists who Atheists also never attack when talkin bout organized religion.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Its amazin how Atheists always say they put their belief in themselves

I don't think anybody here has said that and I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean.

and live life the way they want to but when someone brings up religion they quick to say errythang's all God's fault,

If this God of yours actually exists and has the powers you claim he does, then yes, everything is his responsibility.

Fortunately, he does not exist.

its funny how Atheists always single out Christianity to attack as if thats the only religion out there

I've attacked Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Shintoism. In this thread, it's only Christians arguing, so that's who I'm arguing with at the moment. I'm in the 5%er cult thread debating those racist black cultists, as well.

 

[Huruma]

so....if u dont perform the abortion....what is the zygote/embryo/fetus likely to become?

What the zygote/embryo/fetus will become is irrelevant to what is. Something like 30% of embryos naturally abort spontaneously, without any human intervention.

Even if the fetus were a 'person', do you think that people should be forced to sacrifice their kidneys to save the lives of other people? The fetus is a parasite to women, it consumes nutrients from her body, takes up space in her womb, pregnancy is physically and emotionally stressful.

 

[longmeat]

And you atheists are the ones who got all offended and caught feelins...

I swear y'all niggas is retarded. You're response doesn't even make sense in the context of my response to lighthearted. I don't catch feelings, I personally get a chuckle out of it though. So far literally every christian I've met who doesn't believe evolution doesn't even understand evolution. That's why they make comments like why we still got monkeys and where's the crockoduck. It's also why they lump the origin of the universe, the origin of our solar system, the origin of our planet and evolution all in the same boat when they're completely different fields of study in science.

 

[Stack Money]

I don't think anybody here has said that and I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean.

I think some here have but I mean in general Atheists usually say they don't believe in God they believe in theyselves and think they alone decide their fate, sayin they put their trust in people who they know exist and not some "imaginary man in the sky" which makes it funny when they turn around and claim errythang's God's fault if he really does exists.

If this God of yours actually exists and has the powers you claim he does, then yes, everything is his responsibility.

Fortunately, he does not exist.

He gave us the free will to do what we want so if we fuck up its on us, and no one knows for sure if he exists or not makin the back n forth errbody always does pretty pointless.

I've attacked Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Shintoism. In this thread, it's only Christians arguing, so that's who I'm arguing with at the moment. I'm in the 5%er cult thread debating those racist black cultists, as well.

I know you do once again I meant Atheists in general, and lol at you bein all proud of the bolded.

I swear y'all niggas is retarded. You're response doesn't even make sense in the context of my response to lighthearted. I don't catch feelings, I personally get a chuckle out of it though.

and why do athists feel so offended by religion?

I know I'm mad late, but you do realize it was Steve Harvey in the video who said "If you don't believe in God you're an idiot." Come on b don't be retarded. Try to at least have some ethics in your reasoning and arguments.

That was the part of lighthearted's post you bolded and responded to, sayin that you all got offended by him callin you idiots which is admittin you caught feelins and exactly what I pointed out in my post. If you think my response ain't make sense in that context then you the nigga thats retarded...