Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[The True Flesh]

True Flesh: Tiktaalik.

Now you can "totally concede."

That's weak. There have only been 3 Tiktaalik fossils found total and it doesn't even scratch the surface of illustrating a transition from one class to another.

Again I'm not talking about adaptations and mutations..........Show me a TRANSITION !!!!!

Try again.

PEACE

 

[fiat_money]

I would totally concede my argument against darwinian evolution if one person could provide even a shred of evidence from the fossil record of a transition of any creature from one class to another:

Class being birds, fish, mammals, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods...
Peace

Reptile->Mammal
Hadrocodium

Dinosaurs->Birds
Microraptor

INB4 "That's not enough to be a shred."

 

[fiat_money]

nah it was all words bro.....IDk.....

Spiritual belief is universal, but athiesm is mainly present in modernized countries where people experience anomie and dont feel they actually need god anymore, due to progress(they dont think that consciously but their lifestyle, compared to a more primitive one, grants them the privilege)

Because the concept of theism is mainly taught as opposed completely deduced by all theists; atheism can exist anywhere that someone hasn't been told of proposed deities, or anywhere that someone has not completely deduced that some form of deities exist.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

nah it was all words bro.....IDk.....

Spiritual belief is universal, but athiesm is mainly present in modernized countries where people experience anomie and dont feel they actually need god anymore, due to progress(they dont think that consciously but their lifestyle, compared to a more primitive one, grants them the privilege)

So isn't that more of a testament to the atheist argument??? Pretty much you're saying is, if you're living a life dependent on the moon and the stars than religion is your outlet.

But that doesn't seem like a very strong or credible assertion to make about why I SHOULD hold your beliefs as truth.

 

[Kushington]

Because the concept of theism is mainly taught as opposed completely deduced by all theists; atheism can exist anywhere that someone hasn't been told of proposed deities, or anywhere that someone has not completely deduced that some form of deities exist.

So isn't that more of a testament to the atheist argument??? Pretty much you're saying is, if you're living a life dependent on the moon and the stars than religion is your outlet.

But that doesn't seem like a very strong or credible assertion to make about why I SHOULD hold your beliefs as truth.

thats why i used the primitive person argument....those people have all types of gods and rituals, and once humans advance to a stable primitive civilization(agricultural), they tend to combine ideals into a religion for the betterment of their society, private property, things like that

some nigga named adam smith had the four stages theory, and you can apply it to advancement of religious ideals too:

1st stage: hunter gatherer

2 nd stage: pastoral/herding

3rd stage: agricultural

4th stage commercial

We all live an a super modern commercial society, educated in plenty, including religion...whereas a hunter gatherer will be very spiritual , superstitious and maybe religious, maybe with many gods, and fear and respect animals and nature.....agricultural society is when the big 3 religions came about

we're soo advanced culturally that the natural next step is that god is no longer relevant.

 

[FieldTripsToTheHood]

LMAO @ Fiat getting tagged in for some more sonning.

****dead*** at the fossils.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

thats why i used the primitive person argument....those people have all types of gods and rituals, and once humans advance to a stable primitive civilization(agricultural), they tend to combine ideals into a religion for the betterment of their society, private property, things like that

some nigga named adam smith had the four stages theory, and you can apply it to advancement of religious ideals too:

1st stage: hunter gatherer
2 nd stage: pastoral/herding
3rd stage: agricultural
4th stage commercial

We all live an a super modern commercial society, educated in plenty, including religion...whereas a hunter gatherer will be very spiritual , superstitious and maybe religious, maybe with many gods, and fear and respect animals and nature.....agricultural society is when the big 3 religions came about

we're soo advanced culturally that the natural next step is that god is no longer relevant.

what??? the argument totally ignores SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and LOGICAL THOUGHT.

That argument says: as we become more industrialized and no longer rely on nature, we argue down the notion that there is a God.

That argument leaves out: that as we become more industrialized, we no longer perform human sacrifices to make it rain, we simply perform some mathematical operations and wait.

 

[fiat_money]

thats why i used the primitive person argument....

This is why I said "The Pirahãs would disagree with you.", they're a tribe of Amazonian people who live in the jungle, with no belief in god(s). I'm sure there are others. However, the problem is, many of the people who are often the ones making "first contact" with these "primitive" people have the pesky habit of trying "convert" them to their religion. So, what may have been an atheistic group of "primitive" people at one point ends up being theistic. There's no telling how many previously nontheist tribes have been "converted" by these missionaries.

Even with the Pirahãs the missionary who contacted them tried to convert them to Christianity, this backfired though.

 

[Kushington]

what??? the argument totally ignores SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and LOGICAL THOUGHT.

That argument says: as we become more industrialized and no longer rely on nature, we argue down the notion that there is a God.

That argument leaves out: that as we become more industrialized, we no longer perform human sacrifices to make it rain, we simply perform some mathematical operations and wait.

You know youre agreeing with me right? Human sacrifices were religious rituals(which i mentioned)

I was just summing it up, I wasnt trying to go into a whole essay

Im not an athiest im just giving an objective POV as to why its so prevalent nowadays

 

[fiat_money]

This is why I said "The Pirahãs would disagree with you.", they're a tribe of Amazonian people who live in the jungle, with no belief in god(s). I'm sure there are others. However, the problem is, many of the people who are often the ones making "first contact" with these "primitive" people have the pesky habit of trying "convert" them to their religion. So, what may have been an atheistic group of "primitive" people at one point ends up being theistic. There's no telling how many previously nontheist tribes have been "converted" by these missionaries.

Even with the Pirahãs the missionary who contacted them tried to convert them to Christianity, this backfired though.

By default, atheism is as old as or older than theism.

 

[Kushington]

This is why I said "The Pirahãs would disagree with you.", they're a tribe of Amazonian people who live in the jungle, with no belief in god(s). I'm sure there are others. However, the problem is, many of the people who are often the ones making "first contact" with these "primitive" people have the pesky habit of trying "convert" them to their religion. So, what may have been an atheistic group of "primitive" people at one point ends up being theistic. There's no telling how many previously nontheist tribes have been "converted" by these missionaries.

Even with the Pirahãs the missionary who contacted them tried to convert them to Christianity, this backfired though.

Im not saying i dont believe you but google brings up nothing about these people, just the fish piranhas

So youre saying theyre completely athiest? No rituals, no superstitions, nothing? If so, theyre not typical of primitive people

 

[The True Flesh]

Reptile->Mammal

Hadrocodium

Dinosaurs->Birds

Microraptor

INB4 "That's not enough to be a shred."

I have access to Google too !!!

This is certainly a creature with unusual charachteristics but it takes an awful lot of presupposition to conclude that this even begins to catalogue a transition.

Where are any of it's predecessors or descendants ???

.......Nowhere !!!

Answer me this.......

If all of the classes of animals transitioned from one to another why aren't there tens of thousands of these transitional fossils ???

SERIOUSLY

If a supposed single stage in the transition is proof positive for you that the transition took place.......

.......You must have a lot of faith in Darwin.........Disagree???

PEACE

 

[fiat_money]

Im not saying i dont believe you but google brings up nothing about these people, just the fish piranhas

So youre saying theyre completely athiest? No rituals, no superstitions, nothing? If so, theyre not typical of primitive people

Google - Pirahãs

How an Amazonian tribe turned a missionary into an atheist

 

[fiat_money]

I have access to Google too !!!

This is certainly a creature with unusual charachteristics but it takes an awful lot of presupposition to conclude that this even begins to catalogue a transition.

Where are any of it's predecessors or descendants ???

.......Nowhere !!!

Answer me this.......

If all of the classes of animals transitioned from one to another why aren't there tens of thousands of these transitional fossils ???

SERIOUSLY

If a supposed single stage in the transition is proof positive for you that the transition took place.......

.......You must have a lot of faith in Darwin.........Disagree???

PEACE

Hadrocodium - Earliest known organism with traits considered "distinctly mammalian". It's often classified as a therapsid--which are mammal-like reptiles--but also classified as a mammal or a Mammaliaformes. It was no more than 1.5" long, so I wouldn't expect that there would be tens of thousands of identifiable fossils.

Microraptor - Small dinosaurs with two pairs of feathered-wings. These wings had the same type of feathers as modern birds. Later species include velociraptors and other larger feathered dinosaurs; which is an example of transition in of itself. There is also the similar flying dinosaur, the Rahonavis. There are dozens of Microraptor fossils, however not tens of thousands.

Fossils of really old organisms that aren't massive are somewhat hard to come by. The process of organism fossilization is a rarity as it is, even moreso on land.

Alas, you asked for a "shred of evidence" and this is it. Two fossilized animals with characteristics of an earlier group and characteristics a second of group of animals which they predate.

I have no "faith" in Darwin, sure he coined some concepts that were later built upon, however he wasn't the only one with those or similar ideas at the time. And his concepts--such as natural selection--happen to be correct. Since natural selection is an observable process, I need not "faith" in the person that named the process.

I don't know who first theorized that "1+1=2", but I still know it's true, despite not having "faith" in its originator.

 

[S2J]

Like I said much earlier, we wouldn't be aggy at all if you people kept your nonsense to yourselves.

But you brainwash your children, and other peoples' children. You wage wars in the name of your imaginary gods. You withhold medicine from sick people because you think prayer is the answer.

And you've been doing this for thousands of years. It's time for you to get out of the way.

What was your degree in? I'm about to join a master's program. I have a hard time believing that someone as ill-informed as you is a university graduate.

@ the bolded...

Dawg u clearly have deep seated issues with this.

Philosophy major, right? Then Im sure you're aware that you are 'projecting' i.e. taking all the frutrations you have, and instead of responding to me and my posts, you are using me to embody the monolythic representation of 'Believer'...thus telling me "I" teach that to my children and create war.

I already called this...I said i would gladly enter this back and forth just becasue of this... I mean read what you just wrote and ask yourself wtf does HE have to do w/ that? l..o..l.. I know u more than u know yourself smh

@ the underlined

Oh NOW u wanna ask my credentials? lmao Typical 'Im-in-college' repsonse. I remember when i had that type of tunnel vision. Who knew they made books, degrees, and masters programs before you!? Crazy, rite!?

I pray---oops, i mean i hope--- that you get to the point where mentioning that 'i went to college!' becomes tired...im at the point of biggin up where i WORK. Ya know, what happens AFTER you graduate college. smh You at the kiddy table lil dude, but enjoy college squirt. You seem to be loving it. lmao

SMH @ Ktulu is Lil Jimmy from College Dropout skits...

 

[nex gin]

Word...

Im sick of niggas saying 1+1 = 2.

Like we aint heard that shit before. People need to be open to other possibilities and shit.

1 + 1 = 45,763...I dont need to prove that; I have faith that my math is right despite the evidence to the contrary.

And whoever doesnt believe me simply has not asked Math into their heart and will surely go to hell.

romfflmao.....^^^^

 

[nex gin]

The same thing that drives man's progression is the same thing that holds him back. Humans have spent their existence trying to answer and explain so many things. That which they do not know and cannot currently prove, they come up w/ theories and ideas to explain. At one point in time, man thought the earth was flat until somebody proved that wrong. Before man traveled into space, he assumed that earth was the center of all things. As a matter of fact, man created, recreated, re-authored, changed and did a few other basic english class, rough draft type things to this thing called the Bible. The problem w/ the bible is that it centers around this place called Earth. All of the stories and events and reasoning to back up the belief all revolve around our planet & history. Let's start of basic here. My question to bible thumpers is that if you believe so strongly in God, do you believe in life on other planets? Let that marinate for a minute.

 

[Go figure...]

over 5 billion theist with a world population of 7 billion

thats means the majority of the world is religious and has been for milleniums and people wonder why the world is so fucked

to much irrationality and willfully ignorants

while the science community is made up of 98% atheist

God wants us to be peaceful, turn the cheek, do not even seek revenge, just pray for those who stand against God.

ANYONE who fought a war and used God as their reason and killed ppl for not converting clearly missed the commandment that said "THOU SHALL NOT KILL". they had the game fucked up....killed innocent ppl over God and thats satan's way of gettin ppl to say...look! theyre killin in the name of God, how then is God good???

thats like blamin God for priests molesting children.....blaming God for any wrong thing man does....when God CLEARLY tells us NOT TO do those things. satan tries to pervert the religion to get more ppl turned off by the idea of God so they can sit back and think thats what a real follower does. a real follower of God and Christ would know u dont kill NOBODY

 

[Go figure...]

yes i hear what your saying but why are you saying that?yes we didnt come from apes we share a common ancestor.what evidence do you otherwise oh the bible lol.how are you arguing with no proof or evidence at all?whats so bad about evolving from apes anyway?why are you so shook to come from an ape if that was

the way it is.

if science was sumhow able to prove we came from unicorns i would act the same way.

the problem here is not WHAT science says we come from, its that it is not what the bible says we come from. thats it.

 

[Go figure...]

This is the big problem.

You are WILLFULLY IGNORANT.

You just admitted that no matter what, you will not change your mind.

And you've been taught that this is a virtue.

I pity you.

i stand firm by my beliefs that is all. call it how u feel...

ppl of no faith want the facts and hard evidence they wanna see the proof yea i get it....my thing is not that science is bad, science has done plenty for us and helped us discover a lot of shit we never knew, but when it comes down to it, i place my bible first. ppl who dont believe dont understand that...bein that u dont believe, i can see why, but thats not me, thats u.

the bible and God and christianity (among other religions) is based upon faith. if u have no faith u will not believe and u will need to see with your own eyes. im human, i dont have all the answers, and no one else on this earth does. i dont know everything about the bible, i dont know everything about science, but i do have faith and i do believe in God. i mean, thats it. disagree wit me....its whatever.