Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[Disciplined InSight]

KTULU ..have you ever heard of the Humanist Manifesto?

 

[shawnbrown]

what do people get out of asking others if they believe in God anyway?
all these mindless fucks get on my nerve. I dont understand how people can believe in going to heaven and hell when you die. Mind you these are BOTH places no living person can actually tell you whats it like being there. Yet they all know you burn up when you get to hell, and do all the things you like when you get to heaven. I feel bad for those who believe that they have to wait to die in order to do what they please when we can all do it right here.

 

[shawnbrown]

and even if there was a God.. so the fuck what. He cant judge me. he cant do shit to me

 

[shawnbrown]

God is just a powerful mind.. just like us humans. He had his turn to create and use his imagination the way he saw fit, and now its our turn

 

[Disciplined InSight]

and even if there was a God.. so the fuck what. He cant judge me. he cant do shit to me

Thank you for expressing your beliefs.

You must been shitted on in life and have to point the finger.

 

[glowy]

Does this mean you guys think all scientific experiments are some giant conspiracy theory that nearly every single scientist is in on in the world, and they all just made this up, and any future scientist will join in on the giant conspiracy?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Does this mean you guys think all scientific experiments are some giant conspiracy theory that nearly every single scientist is in on in the world, and they all just made this up, and any future scientist will join in on the giant conspiracy?

No. Science has been beneficial for everyday human life. The main issue is when science tries to play the Creator's role.

 

[shawnbrown]

No. Science has been beneficial for everyday human life. The main issue is when science tries to play the Creator's role.

science can play the Creator's role

 

[glowy]

No. Science has been beneficial for everyday human life. The main issue is when science tries to play the Creator's role.

I don't see how trying to figure out the origins of us and the universe is playing the role of a Creator.

So they're automatically wrong just because they are accused of playing the role of a Creator? (in regards to evolution, big bang, etc)

 

[thedesolateone]

over 5 billion theist with a world population of 7 billion

thats means the majority of the world is religious and has been for milleniums and people wonder why the world is so fucked

to much irrationality and willfully ignorants

while the science community is made up of 98% atheist

 

[shawnbrown]

religion and a belief in God just makes people feel safer and makes them feel like shit is not in their control when shit goes wrong

 

[FieldTripsToTheHood]

Stop circle jerking Field. Ugh.

Wait....it can't be a circle jerk with just one other guy....stop being gay, Field.

I know we don't get along but damn, your joking that you missed the sarcasm right? Even after the stirring the pot comment?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Bruh, what you fail to realize is this:

1)We---scratch that---I, am not going to waste my time repeating myself

Ive wittled my point down to the T...Drakwell, who u tagteamed like Hawk and Animal, i've already used his own words to make my point. Here:

I actually don't see the point you're trying to make there and I didn't pay attention to what Darc said to you.

I can't think of an actual good tag team that was white and black though. Haas and Benjamin showed promise but both guys were just too bland. Somebody help me out here. I'm sure there was a good mixed tag team somewhere, sometime.

Edit: Dawg u said it doesmt take faith to be atheist? Aww yea u trollin, everything in argument, and thus your life, is built off the teachings/findings of Charles Darwin

Atheism existed before Darwin. I don't know how you wouldn't have known that.

Plus, you've quoted no less than 10 philosophers, yet you have no faith?? *sigh* Um, helloooo...that IS your faith smh

I don't remember quoting even one single philosopher in this thread, let alone 10. Name names.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

What somebody needs to answer on #teamNoGod is why yall so aggy??

Like I said much earlier, we wouldn't be aggy at all if you people kept your nonsense to yourselves.

But you brainwash your children, and other peoples' children. You wage wars in the name of your imaginary gods. You withhold medicine from sick people because you think prayer is the answer.

And you've been doing this for thousands of years. It's time for you to get out of the way.

Maybe you a youngin and you bein in college, so this is so new and fresh and THIS is your stage...

But, as a college grad, who's been having these convos since you were in middle school, you come to cherish the fact that this 'debate' will never be won...

So why yall so dik in the booty over it? Couldnt be my life...

What was your degree in? I'm about to join a master's program. I have a hard time believing that someone as ill-informed as you is a university graduate.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

KTULU ..have you ever heard of the Humanist Manifesto?

Yes. When I was in a Christian school, they told me it was eeeevil because it had the audacity to say that people are okay without religion.

I suppose you'd like to say the humanists failed because the world wars happened, but you won't want to talk about the official churches of the involved countries doing propaganda for their dictators every time.

 

[thedesolateone]

over 5 billion theist with a world population of 7 billion

thats means the majority of the world is religious and has been for milleniums and people wonder why the world is so fucked

to much irrationality and willfully ignorants

while the science community is made up of 98% atheist

slept on post end of disscussion where it matters

 

[Knives Amilli]

Wow...this is kinda sad...my daughter is 11, and knows to believe facts and proof over assumptions and hearsay. No poking or prodding on my part, just the basis of fact versus fiction. She has faith in something greater than her, but to call it a God...she's really not ready to do that. What does that make her?

Probably an agnostic.

 

[Lambent]

Quotes from my Great uncle pastor when I was a little kid.

"I ain't come from no monkey."

"When yall young ones go off to college, they gonna try to tell yall we came from monekys. Yall go head and do what you have to do to pass, but we ain't come from no monkeys."

Quote from cousin close in age. (I was around 7, he was 8)

"I think Dinosaur bones are fake, and scientist made them up, there wasn't no dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden."

Quote from me when I was five when my aunt was asking me something. Probably something like "do you believe in God."

"If God didn't do it, how did the universe get here?"

"Oh...wait"

 

[shawnbrown]

Quotes from my Great uncle pastor when I was a little kid.

"I ain't come from no monkey."

"When yall young ones go off to college, they gonna try to tell yall we came from monekys. Yall go head and do what you have to do to pass, but we ain't come from no monkeys."

Quote from cousin close in age. (I was around 7, he was 8)

"I think Dinosaur bones are fake, and scientist made them up, there wasn't no dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden."

Quote from me when I was five when my aunt was asking me something. Probably something like "do you believe in God."

"If God didn't do it, how did the universe get here?"

"Oh...wait"

children are smart becuz they never stop qwestioning
that shit about dinosaurs was always on my mind also

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Yes. When I was in a Christian school, they told me it was eeeevil because it had the audacity to say that people are okay without religion.

I suppose you'd like to say the humanists failed because the world wars happened, but you won't want to talk about the official churches of the involved countries doing propaganda for their dictators every time.

No..I wasn't gonna say that in the least bit, but to drop this gem to that stands as a backbone to your beliefs. You say you have faith in humanity?

Did you know that the humanism was referred as the ATHEIST RELIGION, especially in the first version of the Humanist Manifesto?

FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created.

SECOND: Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process.

THIRD: Holding an organic view of life, humanists find that the traditional dualism of mind and body must be rejected.

FOURTH: Humanism recognizes that man's religious culture and civilization, as clearly depicted by anthropology and history, are the product of a gradual development due to his interaction with his natural environment and with his social heritage. The individual born into a particular culture is largely molded by that culture.

FIFTH: Humanism asserts that the nature of the universe depicted by modern science makes unacceptable any supernatural or cosmic guarantees of human values. Obviously humanism does not deny the possibility of realities as yet undiscovered, but it does insist that the way to determine the existence and value of any and all realities is by means of intelligent inquiry and by the assessment of their relations to human needs. Religion must formulate its hopes and plans in the light of the scientific spirit and method.

SIXTH: We are convinced that the time has passed for theism, deism, modernism, and the several varieties of "new thought".

SEVENTH: Religion consists of those actions, purposes, and experiences which are humanly significant. Nothing human is alien to the religious. It includes labor, art, science, philosophy, love, friendship, recreation--all that is in its degree expressive of intelligently satisfying human living. The distinction between the sacred and the secular can no longer be maintained.

EIGHTH: Religious Humanism considers the complete realization of human personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's social passion.

NINTH: In the place of the old attitudes involved in worship and prayer the humanist finds his religious emotions expressed in a heightened sense of personal life and in a cooperative effort to promote social well-being.

TENTH: It follows that there will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural.

ELEVENTH: Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported by custom. We assume that humanism will take the path of social and mental hygiene and discourage sentimental and unreal hopes and wishful thinking.

TWELFTH: Believing that religion must work increasingly for joy in living, religious humanists aim to foster the creative in man and to encourage achievements that add to the satisfactions of life.

THIRTEENTH: Religious humanism maintains that all associations and institutions exist for the fulfillment of human life. The intelligent evaluation, transformation, control, and direction of such associations and institutions with a view to the enhancement of human life is the purpose and program of humanism. Certainly religious institutions, their ritualistic forms, ecclesiastical methods, and communal activities must be reconstituted as rapidly as experience allows, in order to function effectively in the modern world.

FOURTEENTH: The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible. The goal of humanism is a free and universal society in which people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good. Humanists demand a shared life in a shared world.

FIFTEENTH AND LAST: We assert that humanism will: (a) affirm life rather than deny it; (b) seek to elicit the possibilities of life, not flee from them; and (c) endeavor to establish the conditions of a satisfactory life for all, not merely for the few. By this positive morale and intention humanism will be guided, and from this perspective and alignment the techniques and efforts of humanism will flow.

Oh...and it gets better. The second version which was changed during the 70's. But regardless of changing the origin of what it was the manifesto still held on to the same view.

Quoted from the 1973 Manifesto II:"No deity will save us; we must save ourselves," and "We are responsible for what we are and for what we will be," both of which may present difficulties for members of certain Christian, Jewish, and Muslim sects, or other believers in doctrines of submission to the will of an all-powerful God.

I'm sure you apply your faith to this quote, right?

The current Humanist Manifesto III is shorter but still holds on the same values.

So in a nutshell, according to these...not only it takes "faith" to be believe in these views..you are RELIGIOUS as well.