Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

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What is so difficult about people on either side of the argument admitting that neither has the answer. Religious people have faith and belief which is not fact and scientists have theories and conclusions based on current knowledge and understanding...which is only "factual" until something new is learned that disproves the currently accepted way of thinking. There are limitless possibilities but only 1 truth.

Yeah that. And that 1 truth is Jesus Christ our Lord. The last day will declare who was right and who was wrong. Hallelujah!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Praise God!

 

[nex gin]

Yeah that. And that 1 truth is Jesus Christ our Lord. The last day will declare who was right and who was wrong. Hallelujah!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Praise God!

The truth according to who? That's the question you should really be analyzing & putting into perspective.

I respect whatever has you living right, but I've noticed that you are a bit of an extremist when it comes to religious discussions. Life is not always black and white. The answers often are found in those shades of grey, but many people are too blind, simple minded, brainwashed or lazy to look for them. They are too afraid to question things that obviously don't make sense in the grand scheme of things. And....Oh my...perhaps sometimes the answers are far beyond the understanding of mere man at the current point in their existence. But noooooo....instead of just admitting that they don't know shit....they have to have an immediate explaination of that which they do not understand. Historically, this type of approach to problem solving has been disasterous and counterproductive. Remember there was a time when men thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Booooy...those were the good old days. I'm really glad they stopped burning those poor women at the stake though. Imagine how they felt after they realized they weren't really witches, but just some crazy, doped up, village chick. One thing I've noticed is that religious extremists never have any other means of backing up their beliefs other than the Bible. When they are questioned, they immediately begin quoting scriptures from "the Bible"....how convenient, prone to error and misinterpretation is that?. There is a total disregard for common sense, logic, historical perspective & tangible evidence. Even moreso that always seem to leave out the one main arrogant, fallible component......man. There are people who would believe the sun was made of ice if it was so stated in the bible. smh

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The truth according to who? That's the question you should really be analyzing & putting into perspective.
I respect whatever has you living right, but I've noticed that you are a bit of an extremist when it comes to religious discussions. Life is not always black and white. The answers often are found in those shades of grey, but many people are too blind, simple minded, brainwashed or lazy to look for them. They are too afraid to question things that obviously don't make sense in the grand scheme of things. And....Oh my...perhaps sometimes the answers are far beyond the understanding of mere man at the current point in their existence. But noooooo....instead of just admitting that they don't know shit....they have to have an immediate explaination of that which they do not understand. Historically, this type of approach to problem solving has been disasterous and counterproductive. Remember there was a time when men thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Booooy...those were the good old days. I'm really glad they stopped burning those poor women at the stake though. Imagine how they felt after they realized they weren't really witches, but just some crazy, doped up, village chick. One thing I've noticed is that religious extremists never have any other means of backing up their beliefs other than the Bible. When they are questioned, they immediately begin quoting scriptures from "the Bible"....how convenient, prone to error and misinterpretation is that?. There is a total disregard for common sense, logic, historical perspective & tangible evidence. Even moreso that always seem to leave out the one main arrogant, fallible component......man. There are people who would believe the sun was made of ice if it was so stated in the bible. smh

You stated previously that " There are limitless possibilities but only 1 truth." So how can you tell me that life isn't always black and white? If right is right, than can right be left? Or if up is up, can up be down? So What are you really saying my friend? If there is only 1 truth, wouldn't you want to know that truth? If i told you to go straight but you made a u-turn, would you than tell me I was wrong because you didn't know that straight was straight? Like for real my friend. If there is only 1 truth, than that truth can be known. Do you really think God is playing hide and go seek or something? Do you think God is playing Marco Polo with His creation? Let's get real for a second my friend. The same Bible that you just criticized is the same Bible that told mankind that the earth was round and not flat. Man said the world was flat, but God the creator told His creation that the world was round. So who is really telling that 1 truth? God or man? "yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Romans 3:4)

So you see, what life all boils down to is do you believe God or not? If you do, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. If not, than you will fall for anything and be deceived. It's really that simple. It's not rocket science my friend. It's as black and white as black and white can be. Now if your searching for that 1 truth, than you will find it. If you belong to God, than you will find Him. No ands, if's, or buts about it. And when the last day comes the truth will declare the winners and the losers. Hallelujah!

"1My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; 2So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God." Proverbs 2:1-5

Let the Spirit of God speak to your heart, mind, and soul my friend. If you are willing, God will reveal Himself to you. God bless you and may you find the one who stands at the door of your heart and knocks.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

What is so difficult about people on either side of the argument admitting that neither has the answer.

Well, it's not honest for rational people to say "Even though I've presented loads of evidence and logic, what I'm saying is only as good as superstition and faith in fairy tales."

And for religious people, they're trained since childhood to refuse to even consider admitting that they could be wrong about myths.

scientists have theories and conclusions based on current knowledge and understanding...which is only "factual" until something new is learned that disproves the currently accepted way of thinking.

Back in the day, people thought the world was flat. This was proven wrong.

Then they thought the sun revolved around the Earth. This was proven wrong.

Then they thought the stars were fixed points in the sky. This was proven wrong.

You see, the longer science works at studying the world, the more we learn and the more accurate our picture of the world becomes. This is a good process and you're trying to degrade it simply so you don't hurt some religious peoples' feelings.

There are limitless possibilities but only 1 truth.

I agree. That's why we're having this debate. We cannot both be right. One side is wrong.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

SMH at your repeated cheerleading.

All the nigga can do is post links to Christian websites and quote the Bible.

He can't form his own arguments, his logic has been shown to be invalid over and over, he's made excuses for genocide, ethnic cleansing, and slavery, and he has ducked the big question:

If God personally gave you a command, would you disobey it?

But you're regurgitating everything a philosopher, scientist and atheist humanist told you..yeah right. GTFOH with that generalizing. You hate YHWH and everything about Him..BOTTOM LINE.

How you gonna understand The Most High's Word if you don't have his Spirit living within you? Unfortunately you don't so your understanding on what YOU think those scriptures mean is limited to you.

And what command are you specifically aiming at?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

But you're regurgitating everything a philosopher, scientist and atheist humanist told you.

False. I'm making arguments in my own words.

You hate YHWH and everything about Him..BOTTOM LINE.

Bottom line? WHAT?

But since YHWH doesn't exist, I have no feelings toward him. As a fictional character though, he's a sadistic genocidal egotist and despot.

How you gonna understand The Most High's Word if you don't have his Spirit living within you?

Ah, now Christians are claiming they understand the mind of God. Before they were saying this isn't possible, but now they're claiming secret knowledge. Hilarious.

And what command are you specifically aiming at?

If God ordered you to do anything, would you disobey?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

False. I'm making arguments in my own words.
Wrong..you've done the same thing you're blaming Gofigure..for with plenty of rehashed shit we've all heard before.

Bottom line? WHAT?

But since YHWH doesn't exist, I have no feelings toward him. As a fictional character though, he's a sadistic genocidal egotist and despot.
Yes. Those descriptions you just laid is an emotion which is called anger. Anger and hatred goes together therefore co-exist.

Ah, now Christians are claiming they understand the mind of God. Before they were saying this isn't possible, but now they're claiming secret knowledge. Hilarious.
You rehashing things atheists say about YHWH all the time, because you think whatever you read that was it exactly means and they misunderstand because they on purpose try to find fault to figure out why their lives are so miserable... You ever heard of reading in context?

If God ordered you to do anything, would you disobey?

You fail to recognize is that the Most High speaks to us through His Scriptures and His Holy Spirit. His Spirit will not contradict His Word, and His word does not contradict his Spirit. The Word tells us "Thous shalt not do murder." So in a particular scenario say for example... murder. We(believers and followers) know that God would never tell us to murder. If a voice in your head told you to murder someone, you can rest assured that voice was not from the Most High.

Good try in that last question...but psssft...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

How can you say with a straight face that God would never tell you to murder even though he told a whole gang of people to commit a whole shitload of murders in the Bible?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

How can you say with a straight face that God would never tell you to murder even though he told a whole gang of people to commit a whole shitload of murders in the Bible?

Wow...see that where you fail at. If God told someone to "commit a whole shitload of murders" in the Bible, I'm sure there is a reasoning into the whole contextual of why those "shitload of murders" happened..were they enemies against the Most High YHWH and his chosen people/children? Disobedience against the laws?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Bruh, I assume you know the Bible at least half as well as I do. People got bodied simply for being priests of other gods. Freedom of religion? Nope, death sentence.

So would you obey a command from God, Disciplined Insight? Or not?

 

[Go figure...]

Back in the day, people thought the world was flat. This was proven wrong.

Then they thought the sun revolved around the Earth. This was proven wrong.

Then they thought the stars were fixed points in the sky. This was proven wrong.

You see, the longer science works at studying the world, the more we learn and the more accurate our picture of the world becomes. This is a good process and you're trying to degrade it simply so you don't hurt some religious peoples' feelings.

where does the bible say the earth is flat?

where does the bible say the sun revolves around the earth?

and about the stars??

and i already know what verses ur gonna try n hit me with, but none of em say what u claim they do. and fiat was sayin the bible verses i posted that describe what science has already discovered in regards to the universe are too vague, yet, theyre not vague enough for him to know that they say the opposite of what science has taught. wheres the logic in that?

yea back then the church thought the earth was flat, but its possible that they interpreted it wrong, as much as u do today. new scientific discoveries dont disprove the BIBLE, they only disprove the PEOPLE who believed the earth was flat. the bible is not a science book, therefore u shouldnt read it as if it is one. God wont judge u based on whether u think the earth is flat or round, he will judge u based on the will he wants u to carry out. the controversy over this technical science shit is extremist christians who made their mind up about sumthing irrelevent that they came up with on their own and trying to cover up their own error, and atheists trying so hard to prove God is not real.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Go Figure, if God personally issued you a command, would you obey?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Bruh, I assume you know the Bible at least half as well as I do. People got bodied simply for being priests of other gods. Freedom of religion? Nope, death sentence.

So would you obey a command from God, Disciplined Insight? Or not?

YHWH established a COVENANT with HIS people (Hebrew/Israelites). In the OLD COVENANT i.e. Old Testament, there were many (Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic and national/personal covenants).
I'm sure you know of the Mosiac covenant? In that covenant was the 10 COMMANDMENTS, right? The first commandment was straight to the point.

And as far as you asking that question again. My stance is still:

You fail to recognize is that the Most High speaks to us through His Scriptures and His Holy Spirit. His Spirit will not contradict His Word, and His word does not contradict his Spirit. The Word tells us "Thous shalt not do murder." So in a particular scenario say for example... murder. We(believers and followers) know that God would never tell us to murder. If a voice in your head told you to murder someone, you can rest assured that voice was not from the Most High.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

The first commandment was straight to the point.

Yes, straight to the egotistical, megalomaniacal, fascist point.

Do you think it's ethical to murder people for believing in a different god, Disciplined?

 

[fiat_money]

This thread seems less amusing.

And I should know, I'm easily-amused.

 

[ms.jones]

Folks broke out their dancing shoes in this thread LOL! So much two steppin' and hip swingin'....

 

[Go figure...]

Go Figure, if God personally issued you a command, would you obey?

This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3)

If you love me, you will obey what I command. (John 14:15)

But be sure to fear the LORD and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you. (1 Sam 12:24)

as christians we are supposed to be obedient to God. but ur use of the word command sounds more military than worshipful. i already know where u tryna go.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

So you would obey an order from God, right?

Or would you disobey?

And if you would disobey, why would you do that?

 

[ms.jones]

This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3)

If you love me, you will obey what I command. (John 14:15)

But be sure to fear the LORD and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you. (1 Sam 12:24)

as christians we are supposed to be obedient to God. but ur use of the word command sounds more military than worshipful. i already know where u tryna go.

He is asking a simple question, though. Would you or would you not do as God has commanded, or better yet, requested of you?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Is that Waka Flaka Flame in a PETA ad?