Stephen Hawking: God was not needed to create the Universe

[major pain]

I don't need tangible evidence. I need at least some good logic, though.

Lemme find a piece of scripture DoU style.

Seriously, I cant give you that. Trust me, there was a point where I was very skeptic as well. I have had things happen personally in my life to solidify my faith. I truly believe that for someone that does not know God, they will have to come to Him through personal experience(s).

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Actually im not....anything capable of producing what we call existence probably doesnt reside in it

God aint some archie bunker lookin ass nigga with a white beard and toga, its a concept

One more time for clarification, god doesnt operate along any parameters we can comprehend, and our existence is an understandable parameter, therefore god must operate outside of it

So why does it have to be a god that spontaneously combusted into existence and not life?

 

[theillestrator]

i think the "god follows his own laws" thing is just a cop out. not very sure why people just can't say, "i don't know" instead of going with what sounds good. why are there so many beliefs? because so many stories appeal to different people, usually by force.

 

[memphis]

Yes sunburn is a physical deformity, only whites get it.

Don't be mad cause God has shown what a true devil you are.

you're a retard and have shown that much in this thread. And not to mention your extreme racism. RACIST RETARD

I'm done repsonding to your stupid imbecilic response cause I dont' want to derail what will be an otherwise intelligent thread, well mayb not, if you keep posting in here.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i think the "god follows his own laws" thing is just a cop out. not very sure why people just can't say, "i don't know" instead of going with what sounds good. why are there so many beliefs? because so many stories appeal to different people, usually by force.

People are afraid of the unknown. If something has a ? mark on it they feel safer saying, "Well that we can't explain at this present time... so it's God!" rather then "I have no fucking idea what that thing is".

And then there are the other group who will agree with science on everything but religious stuff.

 

[bankrupt baller]

lol yea thats what the man said

now i know how those africans are able to be out in 100 degree weather just chillin lol

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Actually im not....anything capable of producing what we call existence probably doesnt reside in it

You cannot support this claim.

god doesnt operate along any parameters we can comprehend

You have NOTHING to back up this claim.

 

[Jay Pee]

I can't believe people can't wrap their minds around a simple fact that we humans barely know anything about the enviroment the universe or ourself. like Einstein said we are in the infacy of discovery we don't know about 99 percent of the universe...most of these theories or hypotheises are "educated" opinions as of right now until further evidence shows otherwise. Imagine a insect like an ant....trying to understand life.....and what their theories are when people step on them....or is someone spills some soda on them....it can be 1000s of different theories. And yes I know ants don't have the intellect that we humans do not even close, but you should get the point I am trying to make. How would a ant make sense of crawling lets say on your Ipod or your computer.....its crazy man we humans know alot, but we don't know so much more. Why buy a book that will basically be a "educated" opinion piece.....with flimsy evidence that might even get debunked or revised later on down the line. No wonder a lot of my science teachers says Hawkins is overrated and not well liked in the scientific community. Dude has done nothing but make money and write books....he hasn't discovered a cure for any diesase, defect, free energy technology, could care less about why he thinks their is no god to make the universe. and BTW I don't believe in god

 

[ThaChozenWun]

you're a retard and have shown that much in this thread. And not to mention your extreme racism. RACIST RETARD

I'm done repsonding to your stupid imbecilic response cause I dont' want to derail what will be an otherwise intelligent thread, well mayb not, if you keep posting in here.

lol okay then. I ain't racist by the way. I'm pretty sure the entire board would agree with me. I was just fuckin with you, but you got serious, so I continued.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

now i know how those africans are able to be out in 100 degree weather just chillin lol

Yea, thousands of years of adaptation and evolution.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I knew you'd be making this topic as soon as you saw that article. Took you longer than I thought actually. lol Anyway, I'll have to read the book. I'm not familiar with the theories that say gravity can spontaneously make something come from nothing. I got to read up on them.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

I'm not familiar with the theories that say gravity can spontaneously make something come from nothing.

thats not the argument being made

 

[Kushington]

So why does it have to be a god that spontaneously combusted into existence and not life?

Life is what spontaneously came into existence, god is whats called, in philosophy, and "unmoved mover", it can set things into place without itself being changed

You cannot support this claim.

You have NOTHING to back up this claim.

So you admit that god is involved in human affiars? I dont even believe that, i just think it created the things necessary for life to emerge

 

[Kushington]

Aristotle's(paraphrased) argument for the existence of the unmoved mover progresses as follows:

1.There exists movement in the world.

2.Things that move were set into motion by something else.

3.If everything that moves were caused to move by something else, there would be an infinite chain of causes. This can't happen.

4.Thus, there must have been something that caused the first movement.

5.From 3, this first cause cannot itself have been moved.

6.From 4, there must be an unmoved mover.

 

[VIBE]

If you had the defects that Hawking has, would you believe in a loving God?

Yes, I would. Would it suck? Hell yes. Would I be mad at first? Hell yes. Would I at first curse God? Hell yes.

All human answers but I would honestly believe He is loving. In the end, do you think God made Him like that?

I don't know if you know, but in the bible there was a blind man. He was a beggar and all the people said he became blind because 1. He was a sinner or 2. His parents were sinners. Jesus said it was neither, he was blind so that the works of God would be shown through him.

Do you believe that the work of God is shown through Hawkings?

 

[Kushington]

How could there be a loving god if love is a human emotion

Is there love when a lion kills a zebra

Is there love when a spider traps a fly

Is there love when a hurricane kills already impoverished humans or a drought kills a bunch of starving people

Its just existence and life, and stephen hawking has the disease he has because of his genetics, it has nothing to do with god

People need to stop humanizing god

 

[VIBE]

How could there be a loving god if love is a human emotion

Is there love when a lion kills a zebra

Is there love when a spider traps a fly

Is there love when a hurricane kills already impoverished humans or a drought kills a bunch of starving people

Its just existence and life, and stephen hawking has the disease he has because of his genetics, it has nothing to do with god

People need to stop humanizing god

This is my point, not that God isn't loving but that God did create him like this. I don't see the work of God through Hawkings. I just see a disabled intelligent man who knows about his line of work very well. If God was working through him, he wouldn't try to debunk a creator (God)

What the hell else are you on about with the love thing? You don't think God loves?

 

[Kushington]

What the hell else are you on about with the love thing? You don't think God loves?

If god loves then it must hate, so who does he hate?

 

[TX_Made713]

well i guess since hawkings said it it must be true.

 

[TX_Made713]

If you had the defects that Hawking has, would you believe in a loving God?

this made me laugh