Spin Off: Why do we pick and choose when we want to separate an artist s personal life and their art

[jono]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

No. I don't know what he was supposed to do either. I left it alone though.

 

[Los216]

im jus tryin to figure out why are we as a people so critical of these stars and athletes and not these preachers and politicians??!

THATS what be fuckin me up..

It's a very hard thing to explain but I think most people see athletes and celebrities and think they are people who are employed or people who can be exiled from their position easier. That makes them an easy target to attack when they fuck shit up.

On the flip side when Preachers, Politicians, and Parents, when they fuck shit up the majority view them in a position where we know they fucked up but it will require more work to get them exiled. I think the thought of knowing it will be a harder task to replace a George W. Bush than a Ray Rice turns people away. Almost like they see it as a battle that will require too much so why bother. It's why sooo many people are easily going at Kap but they won't focus that same energy to go at the team owners. I don't agree with that line of thinking but that's one reason why I think it plays out that way.

 

[blackrain]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

 

[blackrain]

As for the thread itself I think it comes down to how big is that person's contribution and just how much what that person did may relate to you personally. For instance my best friend loves Big Pun but hasn't been able to listen to his music since that footage of him pistol whooping his wife came out because his dad used to beat his mom. Same with someone who was a victim of abuse not being able to listen to R. Kelly. If you haven't actually been through it it may be hard to relate as to why seeing someone celebrated who has also committed certain offenses may bother people to that extent

 

[blackrain]

im jus tryin to figure out why are we as a people so critical of these stars and athletes and not these preachers and politicians??!

THATS what be fuckin me up..

Never understood why people have higher expectations for change from an athlete or singer than someone whose actual job it is to work to accomplish those things like a politician

 

[xxCivicxx]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

And this is what I don't understand

They're mad at him for not submitting to public pressure for him to apologize to someone that tried to ruin his fucking life

Are you kidding me?

What would have been the soft-shoe uncle Tom way to handle an attack on your name and livelihood? Please explain this to me

And what's just as bad as the females are the males cosigning and legitimizing the emotionally fickle destructive behavior of said females

Like I said, y'all hear the word rape and your brains automatically shut off and y'all turn into living breathing puppets

 

[xxCivicxx]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

It's literally exactly like the Kaepernick situation

Any time a black man isn't a good little nigger for white people and a lot of LOST black females then said black male has a fucking attitude problem

They don't care how fucking disrespectful and patronizing that is to say to a grown man because they don't give a fuck about said grown man at that point

 

[xxCivicxx]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

Nate Parker is the victim in this situation

You understand this right?

 

[Mister B.]

Muhfuckas talkin bout they "woke."

They wouldn't know the meaning of the word if it walked up and poked them in the third eye.

 

[7figz]

im jus tryin to figure out why are we as a people so critical of these stars and athletes and not these preachers and politicians??!

THATS what be fuckin me up..

It's a very hard thing to explain but I think most people see athletes and celebrities and think they are people who are employed or people who can be exiled from their position easier. That makes them an easy target to attack when they fuck shit up.

On the flip side when Preachers, Politicians, and Parents, when they fuck shit up the majority view them in a position where we know they fucked up but it will require more work to get them exiled. I think the thought of knowing it will be a harder task to replace a George W. Bush than a Ray Rice turns people away. Almost like they see it as a battle that will require too much so why bother. It's why sooo many people are easily going at Kap but they won't focus that same energy to go at the team owners. I don't agree with that line of thinking but that's one reason why I think it plays out that way.

It's probably rooted in racism. So many athletes are Black, as are rappers, and just look how quick people are to go after those two groups.

 

[blackrain]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

It's literally exactly like the Kaepernick situation

Any time a black man isn't a good little nigger for white people and a lot of LOST black females then said black male has a fucking attitude problem

They don't care how fucking disrespectful and patronizing that is to say to a grown man because they don't give a fuck about said grown man at that point

Nah this ain't like Kaep at all

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

He s promoting a project how he not gonna do interviews...and he tried the no comment shit with Robin Roberts

 

[blackrain]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

Nate Parker is the victim in this situation

You understand this right?

You realize even Nate Parker has said his actions that night weren't right and that he realizes he should've had more empathy when he initially spoke out, doesn't see himself as a victim nor sees this as some conspiracy against him right?

 

[xxCivicxx]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

It's literally exactly like the Kaepernick situation

Any time a black man isn't a good little nigger for white people and a lot of LOST black females then said black male has a fucking attitude problem

They don't care how fucking disrespectful and patronizing that is to say to a grown man because they don't give a fuck about said grown man at that point

Nah this ain't like Kaep at all

I'm not sure what the purpose of this post was

I made a point and I supported it with facts. This is exactly like Kaepernick

 

[xxCivicxx]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

Nate Parker is the victim in this situation

You understand this right?

You realize even Nate Parker has said his actions that night weren't right and that he realizes he should've had more empathy when he initially spoke out, doesn't see himself as a victim nor sees this as some conspiracy against him right?

Please post that quote thanks, I have no doubt that you didn't get his words right

TBH I really don't care what Nate Parker thinks about a situation that he's eyeball-deep in and can't stand back and analyze clearly

I care about the fact that a 2 decade old rape ACQUITTAL somehow makes this black man an irredeemable monster, and conveniently ONLY when he's trying to something positive for black people

And I care about the fact that so many black females follow the orders of the dominant society like trained dogs

 

[xxCivicxx]

"Attitude problem" = modern day "Uppity"

just like "Thug" = modern day "Nigger"

 

[Peace_79]

On the issue of Nate, I don't agree with the disgruntled black woman's perspective but I understand where it comes from.

Although I will concede that some misguided individuals are using this as an outlet for self-hatred; for many Black women (and women in general; including perhaps some of the sisters on the IC) - this has little to do with Nate himself; nor the fact that he is a black man.

It has to do with his lack of reverence/cavalier attitude, and complete insensitivity towards the issue of rape in America when speaking on it.

The injustice of rape, itself ... and the culture that perpetuates it.

From this perspective, the personal innocence or guilt in his particular court case is irrelevant.

Women are emotional creatures.

For him to display a complete lack of emotion... lack of empathy ... when referencing one of the most intensely emotional situations a women can imagine ... in the greater context of severe injustice for millions of women with respect to that issue in American culture...

To many women, it's off putting...

Not right.

Not wrong ... But Off putting.

At least thats my take on it.

 

[blacktux]

Lot of folk are too lazy to form their own opinion on things. They dont do their own research, rather they just ride the opinion of a person/movement they feel connected to for whatever reason.

 

[Peace_79]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

Nate Parker is the victim in this situation

You understand this right?

You realize even Nate Parker has said his actions that night weren't right and that he realizes he should've had more empathy when he initially spoke out, doesn't see himself as a victim nor sees this as some conspiracy against him right?

I care about the fact that a 2 decade old rape ACQUITTAL somehow makes this black man an irredeemable monster, and conveniently ONLY when he's trying to something positive for black people

And I care about the fact that so many black females follow the orders of the dominant society like trained dogs

Cosign this.

Regardless of how anyone feels about his attitude- IMO this national boycott, the vilifying of this man's character is taking shit way overboard.

They are treating him like he's a serial rapist.

 

[blackrain]

Support is earned not obligated.

People will let things slide if they like the persons art.

And this ^

Also Nate Parker did it to himself with his attitude. All the women I know just don't like his attitude on the subject. Which all could have been avoided by 1) not doing interviews or 2) "no comment"

Did you ask them what his attitude should've been?

A lot of hypocrisy with this shit when it come to Nate Parker and his so called attitude. Shit is to be expected at this point though.

From what I've seen simply acknowledging that it's a difficult situation would've been enough which he did in his Ebony interview. The rest though he did come off as crass towards sexual assault in general. Just no empathy at all. I think that's what turned some people especially many women who are and have been victims themselves.

Nate Parker is the victim in this situation

You understand this right?

You realize even Nate Parker has said his actions that night weren't right and that he realizes he should've had more empathy when he initially spoke out, doesn't see himself as a victim nor sees this as some conspiracy against him right?

Please post that quote thanks, I have no doubt that you didn't get his words right

TBH I really don't care what Nate Parker thinks about a situation that he's eyeball-deep in and can't stand back and analyze clearly

I care about the fact that a 2 decade old rape ACQUITTAL somehow makes this black man an irredeemable monster, and conveniently ONLY when he's trying to something positive for black people

And I care about the fact that so many black females follow the orders of the dominant society like trained dogs

It's in an ebony magazine interview he did. I didn't misconstrue his words....and how you going to ask for a quote then say you don't care about those same words. Gotta pick one or the other. Don't nobody think he's irredeemable but you can't ignore the fact that we are in a time where sexual assault and accusations of it are taken far more serious than they were in the past and rightfully so. So to many women who have been victims of sexual assault and have not seen the person who committed it face any punishment which happens far too often to see someone be seemingly ignorant, again his own words he said he was ignorant too, to the far reaching affects of Parker not showing any empathy is going to affect them....there's a link to the whole interview he did

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-rape-charges-consent#axzz4MpAfMuDe [\quote]