Someone Please break down for me the different offensive systems in the NFL
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b*braze;4082269 said:
I didnt answer anything, if the "System" makes a QB , then Matt Leinart shouldnt have had any issues ...
he was working with the same players as Warner , Fact
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b*braze;4082264 said:
?? who said it didnt
you're calling him a system QB, aka saying he was as good as his system. I'm asking you how is he a "system" QB when he took two different franchises to the superbowl, in which i'm sure The rams nor The cardinals run the same offensive system.
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KeepOnPushing;4082285 said:
system doesnt "make" the QB, its supposed to take advantage of the strengths of your players. kurt warner was very accurate but he had a weak arm. which was the rason when vermeil left and martz got on his "mad scientist-fuck the run lets throw this shit deep every other play" steez warner couldnt keep up and got replaced by bulger
kurt helped eli but he also started 9 games went 5-4 with 6 TDs 4 INTs. so they went ahead and threw eli in. he didnt fit that system.
started 10 games the following year in arizona went 2-8, 11 TDs 9 INTs and got yanked. he didnt fit denny green system
following year started 5 games went 1-4 6TDs 5 INTs
admittedly the cardinals were bad team, but he wasnt doin much
enter todd haley
2007 27 TDs 17 INTs
2008 30 TDs 14INTs superbowl
2009 26 TDs 14 INTs playoffs
put in the right situation kurt warner looks MVP/HOF
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So everytime a player is succesful in sports and especially the NFL ya'll just gonna run with the "Oh it was the system" ..???
at no Pro level in majority sports will just a "System" get it done, the player himself either can get the job done or not ..
Like Brees Won in N.O. and "Oh it's the system/packages he passes all the time and has all those weapons" , Tom Brady wins it "it's they system" , Matt Flynn has a Random game and now all of a sudden "Oh Aaron Rodger might not be that good it's the System" are ya'll serious? Lol
so all the top tier QB's in the NFL are just average at best guys who just keep getting Lucky week in and week out at the highest level of Play??
Either u can get the job done or not, a "System" is not gonna be enough to hide someone at the highest level of competition
at no Pro level in majority sports will just a "System" get it done, the player himself either can get the job done or not ..
Like Brees Won in N.O. and "Oh it's the system/packages he passes all the time and has all those weapons" , Tom Brady wins it "it's they system" , Matt Flynn has a Random game and now all of a sudden "Oh Aaron Rodger might not be that good it's the System" are ya'll serious? Lol
so all the top tier QB's in the NFL are just average at best guys who just keep getting Lucky week in and week out at the highest level of Play??
Either u can get the job done or not, a "System" is not gonna be enough to hide someone at the highest level of competition
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KeepOnPushing;4082329 said:
no you over simplifying.
some do better in certain systems. some are good no matter what. a great deal are just mediocre and bad QB's.
im not part of the brady and rodgers are "system QBs" crowd, but there is a reason that term exists. its not a myth.
systems arent supposed to hide QB flaws, it (is supposed to) accentuates your TEAMS strengths.
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b*braze;4082347 said:
Thats my point, either u can get it done or not
Either u make great decisions with the football or u cant
either u fold under pressure or not
a system cant hide that
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b*braze;4082365 said:
im not just saying you , im talking about what i see around CS ....seems like every current Successful QB is being labeled a "System QB'
Guys like Joe Flacco and Carson Palmer right now are mediocre guys , there's no way they could do what Brady,Brees,Rodgers does if u were to switch them out just based off a "System"
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b*braze;4082219 said:
I'm a regular Joe. My answer would be I don't know. Nobody sitting home watching TV, with no high level playing experience or connection to the game, can intelligently speak on the intricasies of NFL systems (routes, play calls, the jargon, protection, audibles, etc.)
Speaking in general is fine but anything more than that you look like a clown...
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b*braze;4082347 said:
You're absolutely right some QB's are a better fit for certain systems. Some fit better in the West Coast Offense ( ex. Brett Favre, John Elway, Joe Montana etc) and some fit better in The Air Coryell/Vertical Offense like the Chargers and '99 rams run or ran(Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Kurt Warner etc) and some like Brady and roethlisberger (I think the steelers use a similar system as the Pats but Steelers fans feel free to correct me) play in a hybridized system called the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system.
A good example of your point is Brett Favre and Kurt Warner for example, Brett played in the WCO in GB, when he got traded to the Jets who ran a Variation of the Coryell Offense, he wasn't as good, not because he couldn't push the ball down the field vertically like the coryell asks, but the terminology was different then the WCO (The offense uses a specific naming system, with the routes for wide receivers and tight ends receiving three digit numbers, and routes for backs having unique names. For example, a pass play in 3 digit form might be "Split Right 787 check swing, check V") which can be very complex for someone that's a gunslinger like brett, and likes to move out of the pocket, which the coryell typically is for "pocket passers". Also you're supposed to throw to a certain spot on the field before the receiver gets there, it's based on timing and rhythm whereas Brett was used to throwing what he sees, or at the receiver.
Now Kurt Warner was the opposite, coming from the Air Coryell System that Mike Martz and Dick Vermil employed. The passing game was based on timing and rhythm, and coaching the system required a lot of repetition. It often puts receivers in motion. With the new defensive rules limiting contact to near the line of scrimmage, receivers in motion would be virtually impossible to jam. Coryell not only placed wide receivers in motion, he did so with tight ends and running backs as well. Putting the players in motion also had the advantage of allowing the quarterback to determine pre-snap if the defense would be playing zone or man-to-man defense, which Martz does a lot of. After getting beat to a pulp in the Martz version of the coryell system, when he went to the Giants he sucked because it wasn't the same system, when he went to Arizona and Wisenhunt took over it was a hybrid system that employed a lot of the coryell language and "system".
As a Bears fan I feel the Cutler would be a better fit in the WCO, with the roll outs, audibles, and quick strikes, thats why I think it works so well for Aaron Rodgers because he's a mobile QB, that's allowed to audible and hit quick strikes, whereas Phillip Rivers is
perfect for the Air Coryell, because he is a pocket passer who fits in Norv's "system"
Overall, you're correct in your point, but If I'm wrong about the systems please feel free to correct me.
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