Some "African" American cops say they're 'on both sides of the fence' in police-activist disputes

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Police work is more than policing

Some retired cops are hoping these most recent police incidents will shine a light on the need to hire more black officers in the city. Only about 23 percent of officers in Chicago are African-American, compared with the city's black population of 32 percent.

Patricia Hill, former head of the African American Police League, says the city desperately needs black officers who embrace their heritage and are devoted to providing service to communities in need.

"You need police officers who can change hats," she said, adding that in black communities, cops sometimes "have to become the social worker, the teacher. … It's not just about kicking a-- and taking names. It's a service, you're a public service employee. And in the black community, 90 percent of your calls are service calls."

"People are not getting along. And you have to be able to negotiate that. Many of the white officers in the black community don't see black people as needing service. They need to be policed: 'Y'all don't know how to act, you need to be put in order, talked down to, civilized' and all that. That's why you have this adversarial relationship. We need more officers that give service. When you call the police, you want help and that's what we need."

Spradley says that long-ago traffic stop that ended with an official warning from the suburban cop is a reminder how police must work harder to maintain a respectful relationship with the people they serve.

He says he tries to hold on to the memory of what it was like to be robbed multiple times as a teen while traveling from his South Side home to Providence St. Mel Catholic High School on the West Side.

"I want to be the police officer that responds when my coat gets snatched off my back, or somebody's chasing me down a street to get my gym shoes off my feet. I wanted to be that police officer that gave the service that I would want to have if I was the victim — and I had been the victim."

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Of course they would be conflicted but they better choose their skin and not their badge

 

[huey]

You would think there would be pushback against known bad cops in the force, but still nothing.

 

[CapitalB]

stopped reading @88 Honda Civic..

told yall these muthafuckas dont make shit!! hahahhahahaha

 

[So ILL]

These black cops getting shitted on all of the time by their fellow officers and they still don't realize they're just a nigger to a lot of them.

 

[Vellum]

As expected. These stories never change from black officers. The black officer who was killed in baton rouge said a similar thing. They all, always say the same thing. That most of their white officers lack empathy, and basically think like sociopaths who need to put the savages in order. What theyre really saying is, im scared as fuck, so im gonna act tough all the time to circumvent being scared shitless.

Cops really need 2-3 months paid time off every year when they work in hostile, crime heavy environments. Then when their paid time off is done, they get a psych reevaluation to make sure theyre still fit, and can be allowed to patrol again.

These are long shifts in high crime areas, that is not good for you to be constantly in 60 hours a week. Dealing with death, shootings, domestic disputes, fightings, robbery, ect.. Even military men and women get breaks from hostile environments for a while. When youre also only seeing it done by one or maybe two groups of people, your natural prejudice starts to rise higher than it normally would if you worked the burbs, which fucks up your whole perception on how to handle situations that arent big threats.

On a positive note. Nothing will change. Your state and city will continue treating high crime area officers like expendable objects. Crime will not go down in chicago. Only up up up. Police reform will never happen. Americans will only continue getting dumber, and the congress and POTUS will never do anything worthwhile to help you. Why help dummies, when you can just pretend to, do nothing, and they'll forget anyways. Theyre dumb.

 

[MD_PROPER]

These blue tears don't move me

 

[So ILL]

These blue tears don't move me

Right, they signed up for that shit. They knew the details of the job going in that they chose to do. If you don't like it, quit. I can't quit being a black man.

 

[mrrealone]

Then get on this side of the fence.....

 

[D. Morgan]

Short comment: Fuck them can't be on both sides of the damn fence.

They borderline on some David Clarke shit talking about no outrage or protests when a little kid is shot, or when an old person is robbed nobody says anything to them. There are plenty of fucking protests and outrage when an innocent kid or person period for that matter is shot. Why the fuck should the community tell you police who out here robbing and selling drugs when at the same damn time nobody on the police force tells on dirty cops or when they shoot or beat the shit out of somebody.

So the police wants the community to snitch on people but the police won't snitch on those in the police community. FOH with that bullshit.

A real interviewer wouldn't tolerate bullshit like that!!

 

[Copper]

So they get harassed like niggers when the cops don't know they're cops while wearing street clothes....yet still don't know what side to choose?

Black people or my racist ass coworkers that would kill me and my family if we looked at them the wrong way during a stop.... Tough decisions....

....and FOH here with the recent cop attacks by blacks ...there's been two...the majority this year have been killed by whites...but these coins feeding into the rhetoric.

 

[Like Water]

Fuck all cops, not just white ones. They all can go play in traffic and/or blow themselves up. The "good ones" too.

All I read from these bitch ass faggots is "Sure, there are some bad cops, but what about black on black crime?" Smh. They're reading from the same book as their devil counterparts.

They're once again choosing to ignore the fact that crime in our own community oftentimes has protests and public outcry, but it's not publicized near as much as it should be. They also are glossing over the fact that perpetrators of this crime are often caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, unlike their blue brethren. And most importantly, and most telling, is that they too believe that our communities need to be utopia for us to get a fair shake.

Smh... Fuck 'em all.

 

[Vellum]

Short comment: Fuck them can't be on both sides of the damn fence.

They borderline on some David Clarke shit talking about no outrage or protests when a little kid is shot, or when an old person is robbed nobody says anything to them. There are plenty of fucking protests and outrage when an innocent kid or person period for that matter is shot. Why the fuck should the community tell you police who out here robbing and selling drugs when at the same damn time nobody on the police force tells on dirty cops or when they shoot or beat the shit out of somebody.

So the police wants the community to snitch on people but the police won't snitch on those in the police community. FOH with that bullshit.

A real interviewer wouldn't tolerate bullshit like that!!

Never had that thought run through my head for some reason, but aint that the truth.

 

[semi-auto-mato]

this is why I say most cops have some form of mental illness. being a cop is a job. being black is wasn't a life choice we made in the delivery room. how can u be confused?

 

[the dukester]

If the article didn't specifically say these were black cops being interviewed, I wouldn't have known it.

They use the same talking points as white cops lamenting, "what about black on black crime?"

Their are numerous "friendly fire" cases of undercover black officer's getting popped by uniformed white officer's, who mistook them for a criminal.

And almost no cases of the reverse.

During slavery, bounties were put on the heads of runaway slaves. The white slave bounty hunters used to have black "sidekicks" with them to assist them in the hunt.

These black cops are the direct descendants of these sidekicks.

200 years later & they still operate as the white man's tool.

 

[Splackavelli]

These blue tears don't move me

Right, they signed up for that shit. They knew the details of the job going in that they chose to do. If you don't like it, quit. I can't quit being a black man.

the same here. some black cops give other black a hard time just as much as the white cops do. these house niggas get no sympathy from me whatsoever.

 

[northside7]

Short comment: Fuck them can't be on both sides of the damn fence.

They borderline on some David Clarke shit talking about no outrage or protests when a little kid is shot, or when an old person is robbed nobody says anything to them. There are plenty of fucking protests and outrage when an innocent kid or person period for that matter is shot. Why the fuck should the community tell you police who out here robbing and selling drugs when at the same damn time nobody on the police force tells on dirty cops or when they shoot or beat the shit out of somebody.

So the police wants the community to snitch on people but the police won't snitch on those in the police community. FOH with that bullshit.

A real interviewer wouldn't tolerate bullshit like that!!

Exactly.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

What is black on black crime? Is it me just being black, me associating with others like me, blacks rising outside of themselves, is it blacks talking about blacks, maybe its blacks talking black, is it blacks killing another black, is it all the above? Who gets to do something about this? Who defines this? Who gets to find results? why is it so important to Caucasians? Why is this not an official crime to get charged with? Is it a law to abide by? Who creates this? Who gets to end it?

 

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/black-police-recruit-hopes-shatter-perceptions-41413535

Black Police Recruit Hopes to Shatter Perceptions

Renata Phillip was 11 years into a satisfying teaching career when she shocked her friends and family last August by deciding to make a drastic career change: become a police officer.

Her decision came amid growing concern over police tactics in the wake of a number of deaths at the hands of officers of unarmed black men across the country. Most recently, the fatal police shooting of a black man who had a gun in his hand sparked violent unrest in Milwaukee.

Phillip, a black woman who grew up in a mostly white, upper middle class neighborhood 30 miles east of Los Angeles, said she wasn't motivated by race. But race is a motivation now as she completes her training to become a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy.

"Everything that's going on, it drives me to work a little harder," the 36-year-old said during a break at the department's grueling training academy.

Phillip hopes to be an example to those who've never dealt with a black law enforcement officer. "If I can have a positive experience with someone and maybe help them change their mind, why not?" she said.

A little more than a year ago, Asia Hardy was in Phillip's shoes, training to become an officer with the Los Angeles Police Department.

The 26-year-old, who grew up in an idyllic, close-knit neighborhood in Pasadena, has been a probationary officer for just over a year, working the beat she requested in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Los Angeles.

She said Phillip should expect both criticism and pride on the streets.

"I get called a sellout sometimes," she said. Some will tell her: "Why are you doing the white man's job?"

Others see Hardy as a beacon.

"They'll say, 'I'm glad you're out here representing us,'" she said. "Or you get the little girl pointing at you and saying, 'Look, Mommy, there's a girl cop.' Things like that make my day. I want that little girl to know she can grow up and be a cop if she wants to."

Black officers made up about 12 percent of all police in 2013, the most recent year nationwide statistics are available. That compares to the overall black population of 13.2 percent.

Departments have long struggled to recruit black candidates, said Nelson Lim, a researcher at the Rand Corp. who helps organizations diversify.

In 2004, Lim consulted with the LAPD, which was under a federal consent decree to hire more minorities. Even then, he said the department failed to meet its diversification goals.

Now with increased tensions, Lim said it's only going to be harder.

"You don't need a study to conclude that would have a negative impact," he said.

In the days after a sniper attack killed five of his officers last month, Dallas Police Chief David Brown urged black people to leave protests and join the department to work for change from within.

"Serve your community," said Brown, who is black. "We're hiring. Get off of that protest line and put your application in."

Phillip, the Los Angeles sheriff's recruit, was settled into her teaching career at Ganesha High School in Pomona, a middle-class city near her hometown of Diamond Bar but far from it in terms of gangs and violent crime.

But she decided to become an officer after realizing she was spending more and more time helping her students with problems outside the classroom, and that she was enjoying it.

One student had lost a friend to gang violence. He started acting out by disrupting class, getting into drugs and into trouble.

Phillip said she worked to gain his trust and build rapport, which eventually allowed her to find out what was bothering him and help him transfer to another school. The change removed him from negative influences, allowing him to focus on school.

"Now you see a person who has taken charge of their past and isn't letting someone else determine what they will or won't do," she said. "I thought, 'I need to spend more time doing this.'"

Phillip is one of just two black women in her class of 84 recruits. More than half are men and most are white or Hispanic.

Only three recruits out of every 100 will make it to graduation, said Capt. Scott Gage, who's in charge of training at the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

He cited extensive background checks, rigorous physical requirements, dozens of tests and determination to stick with the yearlong process.

Phillip's mother worked as an accountant, her father as an engineer. When Phillip told her family about her decision to join law enforcement, there were tears.

"My heart really just sank," said Phillip's mother, Gloria Solomon. "Honestly, this is awful to say as a mother, but I almost wished she didn't get through."

Solomon said she was concerned not because of racial tensions in the U.S., but simply because policing is a dangerous job.

After praying about it and seeing how passionate her daughter was about law enforcement, Solomon said she's now fully on board.

"I'm just really proud of her and I just really want her to be safe," she said.

Hardy, the rookie LAPD officer, said she specifically requested to work in the most crime-ridden division.

"I knew a lot of African Americans live there and I wanted to be there to reach out, I want everybody to do better," she said. "Them seeing me out there and knowing, 'Wow, there goes a female cop. A black female cop.' I wanted to be that example."

Phillip also hopes to work in troubled neighborhoods.

"If I'm not putting myself in the position to really effect change then what am I doing?" she said. "Hopefully somewhere I have the opportunity to change someone's mind. Hopefully that someone standing on the news protesting maybe sees me on the street one day and says, 'Maybe I could do that.'"

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[Swiffness!]

Moments after Chicago Police Officer Serena Daniels shot and killed an unarmed woman, she knelt next to her on the sidewalk, placed her head on a leather coat, stroked her bloody hair and said, "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to shoot you. I thought you had a gun."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...icers-lawyer-chicago-police-supt-joseph-roddy