so whos gonna start the movement

[musicology1985]

trust me, when my wife and I go to do volunteer work in the inner city schools...damn near all the kids want to participate, even the so called cool kids try to act hard at first and that mostly because they dont understand, then once they do understand you will see great leadership abilities being put to something positive, problem is that they dont see that enough and no support from home makes them look at the local dumb ass who also sees it.

I only takes one to start a movement! evenually others will follow to create a force. you need to know where you stand.

thats wassup man I can dig this. u puttin' in work. as long as u doing some work I don't care were you live (although we do enjoy majority-minority status in most urban & major cities, which also translates into a political advantage if you know how to use it consistently to mentor & build youth numbers.) just remember, the reason that they don't see it enough is because of political corruption & corporate bootlicking. ain't got nothing to do with lazy people. its been planned. the ones who want to do it have to get the proper funding. if not, we will barter to do it.

peace to u & your family brother pralims.

 

[major pain]

So, now there are no lazy black people? Now, all of black people's plight rests upon the shoulders of fraternities and masons? We are somehow responsible for every black person's struggle? This is really your stance?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

thats wassup man I can dig this. u puttin' in work. as long as u doing some work I don't care were you live (although we do enjoy majority-minority status in most urban & major cities, which also translates into a political advantage if you know how to use it consistently to mentor & build youth numbers.) just remember, the reason that they don't see it enough is because of political corruption & corporate bootlicking. ain't got nothing to do with lazy people. its been planned. the ones who want to do it have to get the proper funding. if not, we will barter to do it.

peace to u & your family brother pralims.

thank you....

but on some real stuff....my mans mom talked to me one day and said she wanted to live in the burbs' i looked at her like ? and asked why..and she ask me why not, i hope its not because they are white, why cant i have what they have,live where they live and take advantage of what they take advantage of. she said to try answer that without sounding like someone is holding you down or blaming someone else. i thought about it for like 10 years real talk and could never answer the question. that shit really opened my eyes.

as far as me volunteering...my lady works at the company that has these kits and they making learning fun. they have been doing this shit out here for years and these kids are smart as hell because of it. they are learn real science shit at an early age. she has this one kit called "goo" of course the kids like to play with it cause it looks like snot. but with the kit they learn that the goo is made of polymers. think about that....polymers at 9 yrs old. shit is unheard of in the city. in my school they didnt even come close to that type stuff. hell i had to learn it when i went to the class to help my wife.

so lets say 20 in groups of two each went to a school once a month. 10groups times 9 months = 90 schools

or those same groups went back to the same school once a month..

it can be flipped so many ways. the opportunity is there

 

[musicology1985]

thank you....
but on some real stuff....my mans mom talked to me one day and said she wanted to live in the burbs' i looked at her like ? and asked why..and she ask me why not, i hope its not because they are white, why cant i have what they have,live where they live and take advantage of what they take advantage of. she said to try answer that without sounding like someone is holding you down or blaming someone else. i thought about it for like 10 years real talk and could never answer the question. that shit really opened my eyes.

as far as me volunteering...my lady works at the company that has these kits and they making learning fun. they have been doing this shit out here for years and these kids are smart as hell because of it. they are learn real science shit at an early age. she has this one kit called "goo" of course the kids like to play with it cause it looks like snot. but with the kit they learn that the goo is made of polymers. think about that....polymers at 9 yrs old. shit is unheard of in the city. in my school they didnt even come close to that type stuff. hell i had to learn it when i went to the class to help my wife.
so lets say 20 in groups of two each went to a school once a month. 10groups times 9 months = 90 schools
or those same groups went back to the same school once a month..

it can be flipped so many ways. the opportunity is there

to your first point. I would have to see some tangible results from black flight that benefit black America as a whole. yes it is good for small pockets of black folks, but we still have no real power to demand what we want and than get it. I really doubt we would be asking "wheres the movement" if our 40 year old integration strategy was really clicking on all cylinders.

as far as the second point, sounds good. but there are many charter schools that are doing an excellent job in the inner city. my little brothers, nieces & nephews are doing great. we need funding for mass mentoring and tutoring in order to help these other children who come from broken homes. but guess what, we need the groups that I mentioned on the first page to lobby for it on all levels & invest. other than that? our small non-profits are taking on as many children as we can.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

to your first point. I would have to see some tangible results from black flight that benefit black America as a whole. yes it is good for small pockets of black folks, but we still have no real power to demand what we want and than get it. I really doubt we would be asking "wheres the movement" if our 40 year old integration strategy was really clicking on all cylinders.

as far as the second point, sounds good. but there are many charter schools that are doing an excellent job in the inner city. my little brothers, nieces & nephews are doing great. we need funding for mass mentoring and tutoring in order to help these other children who come from broken homes. but guess what, we need the groups that I mentioned on the first page to lobby for it on all levels & invest. other than that? our small non-profits are taking on as many children as we can.

its not about black flight ...its about the mentality that it can be obtainable. where im from in north philly , dudes think you can have certain shit because its for white folks. like "he live in a big ole white people type house" or "he go on them white people vacation".

too many of them limit themselves of think they cant do it because if you get too far the whiteman will get you.....like the race is the boogey man

 

[major pain]

its not about black flight ...its about the mentality that it can be obtainable. where im from in north philly , dudes think you can have certain shit because its for white folks. like "he live in a big ole white people type house" or "he go on them white people vacation".
too many of them limit themselves of think they cant do it because if you get too far the whiteman will get you.....like the race is the boogey man

Exactly... its on the individual to improve his situation. The only thing our "leaders" are responsible for is making sure "we" are afforded the same opportunities as everyone else. The rest is up to the individual.

 

[musicology1985]

its not about black flight ...its about the mentality that it can be obtainable. where im from in north philly , dudes think you can have certain shit because its for white folks. like "he live in a big ole white people type house" or "he go on them white people vacation".
too many of them limit themselves of think they cant do it because if you get too far the whiteman will get you.....like the race is the boogey man

it is about BLACK FLIGHT. we can't build up majority black areas because the black upperclass do not want to do it. they would rather go somewhere that whites have already built up and provided city services for. they don't want to do the hard work of building, they just want the cash. integration is really what made us consumers instead of producers, and our black leadership is responsible for that because those are the policies that they have promoted. why can't we build our own trade unions, mansions, factories, chemical plants, dealerships, farms, grocery stores, technical, security & legal firms, schools, credit unions & companies? because the black upper class that I named does not want to lead that movement & never did.

 

[major pain]

Credit union - http://www.aacuc.org/mc/page.do;jsessionid=72EE7DE2F228884CC5741849DE1B6986.mc1?sitePageId=41038

Trade union - http://www.nationalbcc.org/

Manufacturers - http://www.bobsaone.org/blackmanufacturers.php

Dealerships - http://www.aacardealers.org/

Farmers - http://www.americanblackfarmersproject.com/

Grocery store - http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-1981-new-black-owned-grocery-store-offers-a-fresh-market.html

Technical firm - http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Two+b...ng+firms,+Blackwell+Consulting...-a0131050981

Legal firms - http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/law-firms/377106-1.html

Here is an article on African-American owned firms outselling Fortune 500 companies.... IN 1996...

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-07/business/fi-1355_1_black-owned-firms

Seriously, where do you get your information...?

 

[major pain]

I've seen a lot of blame pointed in all directions here but this is the stupidist (and that might not be a word.....yet) shit I have ever heard. Your theory is crazy. You mean to tell me black people in black communities allow their own property (either rent or own) value go down because of people that did something for themselves won't come back and help them? This is the reason for the shootings, the drugs, the destruction of community property, school drop outs, etc.? And you keep saying OUR LEADERS. What about the followers? Are they following?

But what you not understanding BRUH BRUH is.....

it's just the internet so u don't have a safety net to hide. all the truth come out on here, just like in the streets & the prisons.

 

[musicology1985]

Credit union - http://www.aacuc.org/mc/page.do;jsessionid=72EE7DE2F228884CC5741849DE1B6986.mc1?sitePageId=41038

Trade union - http://www.nationalbcc.org/

Manufacturers - http://www.bobsaone.org/blackmanufacturers.php

Dealerships - http://www.aacardealers.org/

Farmers - http://www.americanblackfarmersproject.com/

Grocery store - http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-1981-new-black-owned-grocery-store-offers-a-fresh-market.html

Technical firm - http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Two+b...ng+firms,+Blackwell+Consulting...-a0131050981

Legal firms - http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/law-firms/377106-1.html

Here is an article on African-American owned firms outselling Fortune 500 companies.... IN 1996...

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-07/business/fi-1355_1_black-owned-firms

Seriously, where do you get your information...?

this is a good post but is VERY MISLEADING because it gives the IMPRESSION that the average black American works for others of their ethnic group, which is not the case. if u go to almost any majority black community in America you can clearly see that Asians and whites are in control of most employment. yes these groups exist, but they need to be more organized in order to have a greater impact on the general black population. irregardless of your links, most black people work for others. until we can stop that & keep black Americans in areas were they have majority status & wealth, the disparity will continue. the black farmers have even complained about Obamas lack of concern for their interests, which is a direct byproduct of NOT HAVING A LOBBY SPECIFICALLY CATERED TO OUR INTERESTS.

so I say again, we still need our own. NOT IN POCKETS, as u have shown, but on a mass level.

 

[musicology1985]

and since u black Greeks started BET, why don't u advertise this stuff on a consistent basis on network telivision?

 

[major pain]

this is a good post but is VERY MISLEADING because it gives the IMPRESSION that the average black American works for others of their ethnic group, which is not the case. if u go to almost any majority black community in America you can clearly see that Asians and whites are in control of most employment. yes these groups exist, but they need to be more organized in order to have a greater impact on the general black population. irregardless of your links, most black people work for others. until we can stop that & keep black Americans in areas were they have majority status & wealth, the disparity will continue. the black farmers union has even complained about Obamas lack of concern for their interests, which is a direct byproduct of NOT HAVING A LOBBY.

First of all, you said they dont exist in this gem here..

why can't we build our own trade unions, mansions, factories, chemical plants, dealerships, farms, grocery stores, technical, security & legal firms, schools, credit unions & companies? because the black upper class that I named does not want to lead that movement & never did.

Second, it doesnt give any impression about where black people work. It simply proves that those black owned businesses DO exist all over the country.

So, now the notion has changed from the examples YOU mentioned not existing to who people work for? People are going to work for whomever pays the bills. Asians and whites arent employing black people by the truckload to keep "us" down. As a business owner myself, I would not look to ONLY employ black people, I'm looking for whoever is qualified for the job. Would I prefer black people, sure, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the business suffer to "keep it real".

What would be a greater impact to the general black population is access to BETTER education. Better education = more opportunities.

Case in point, irregardless is not a word.

 

[musicology1985]

I've seen a lot of blame pointed in all directions here but this is the stupidist (and that might not be a word.....yet) shit I have ever heard. Your theory is crazy. You mean to tell me black people in black communities allow their own property (either rent or own) value go down because of people that did something for themselves won't come back and help them? This is the reason for the shootings, the drugs, the destruction of community property, school drop outs, etc.? And you keep saying OUR LEADERS. What about the followers? Are they following?

I told u earlier, money that was supposed to be allocated for city services & business districts was stolen and or misappropriated by mainly black Greeks and Freemasons. also, due to a shortage of black businesses who can provide mass employment & outside racism, many turned to crime. how can followers do what they need to do without the proper city services & security, while public officials live in the suburbs.

I say bartering is the best way to start.

 

[major pain]

and since u black Greeks started BET, why don't u advertise this stuff on a consistent basis on network telivision?

Hey guy, try to realize that A (singular) black greek started BET. Not an entire group. His actions or non-actions do not speak for the entire BLACK GREEK world. He also was not responsible for programming. He owned the company. He was running a business. The purpose of running a business is to make money. Sure he could have pushed an agenda that is afro-centric and all positive, but thats probably not the way to make the most money. Lets be honest here, the average 14 year old that watches 106 and park everyday is probably not concerned with politics, black owned businesses, and community development, RIGHT?

 

[musicology1985]

First of all, you said they dont exist in this gem here..

Second, it doesnt give any impression about where black people work. It simply proves that those black owned businesses DO exist all over the country.

I never said they didn't exist. I SAID WHY CAN'T THE UPPER CLASS BLACKS AND GROUPS I MENTIONED LEAD A MOVEMENT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR RESOURCES UNDER OUR CONTROL WHERE WE ARE THE MAJORITY (which I explained)

I already said that we have pockets of success due to integration, but no massive success where as we can make demands and get what we want like other established ethnic groups in this country because of black flight which has in turn caused a brain drain.

all that other stuff u said is irrelevant.

 

[major pain]

I told u earlier, money that was supposed to be allocated for city services & business districts was stolen and or misappropriated by mainly black Greeks and Freemasons. also, due to a shortage of black businesses who can provide mass employment & outside racism, many turned to crime. how can followers do what they need to do without the proper city services & security, while public officials live in the suburbs.

I say bartering is the best way to start.

Here you go with these empty statements. Now, can you provide a reference to this? Ya know somewhere that ANYONE can see/read about this in clear text? Also, you keep saying this happened/happens as if on some large scale. So, are you implying this is happening everywhere all the time?

 

[musicology1985]

Hey guy, try to realize that A (singular) black greek started BET. Not an entire group. His actions or non-actions do not speak for the entire BLACK GREEK world. He also was not responsible for programming. He owned the company. He was running a business. The purpose of running a business is to make money. Sure he could have pushed an agenda that is afro-centric and all positive, but thats probably not the way to make the most money.

and that was my whole point from the start. the elevation of black greeks in front of all other sects in our ethnic group caused our current disunited & individualists situation. the thread starter asked what happened to the movement? this is what happened.

 

[major pain]

I never said they didn't exist. I SAID WHY CAN'T THE UPPER CLASS BLACKS AND GROUPS I MENTIONED LEAD A MOVEMENT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR RESOURCES UNDER OUR CONTROL WHERE WE ARE THE MAJORITY (which I explained)

I already said that we have pockets of success due to integration, but no massive success where as we can make demands and get what we want like other established ethnic groups in this country because of black flight which has in turn caused a brain drain.

all that other stuff u said is irrelevant.

Here is what you said.

why can't we build our own trade unions, mansions, factories, chemical plants, dealerships, farms, grocery stores, technical, security & legal firms, schools, credit unions & companies? because the black upper class that I named does not want to lead that movement & never did.

THAT IMPLIES THEY DONT EXIST. Now, I could take a leap of faith, and assume that you are smart enough to know better, but you have surprised me before... so I'm taking what you type at face value. The facts show, that they do exist and on a large scale.

Also, YOU brought up the subject of where/who people work for. So, when I speak on it, its irrelevant? Education is irrelevant?

 

[major pain]

and that was my whole point from the start. the elevation of black greeks in front of all other sects in our ethnic group caused our current disunited & individualists situation. the thread starter asked what happened to the movement? this is what happened.

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, THAT ONE MAN'S ACTIONS, DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP? Robert Johnson isnt Kappa Alpha Psi's representative to the nation. He doesnt go to work as Kappa Alpha Psi dictator and owner of CEO second. I'm willing to bet the nigga aint even FINANCIAL with them.

Since Obama is president now, should all the mistakes he has made be on the shoulders of all black people? Tell me how that would be any different from what you are saying here?

 

[musicology1985]

Here is what you said.

THAT IMPLIES THEY DONT EXIST. Now, I could take a leap of faith, and assume that you are smart enough to know better, but you have surprised me before... so I'm taking what you type at face value. The facts show, that they do exist and on a large scale.

Also, YOU brought up the subject of where/who people work for. So, when I speak on it, its irrelevant? Education is irrelevant?

dawg, the average black person cannot seek employment from their own people man. unless it is through barbershops, salons and the church. you searched for POCKETS throughout the U.S. that doesn't even affect the average black persons life. so on that level of tangible results in regards to a movement? (which this thread is about) no, it doesn't exist.