So Pac is not someone who should be celebrated?

[playmaker88]

Exactly. He was conflicted and very bold at the same time. That mixture leads to positive productivity at some times, and foolishness at other times.

yup....
that chick is a typical outside observer.......

lol@red wrongly eloquent......

 

[Punisher__]

This shock post is so full of stupidity I don't know where to start.

Thug Life stands for THE HATRED U GIVE LITTLE INFANTS FUCKS EVERYONE.

Pac was a mommas boy. Alot of the coldest cats ive ever met were from single family homes and were mommas boys, and going to a performing arts school means nothing. Alot of kids that go to those schools live in the hood and sell dope outside the classroom.

Bottom line your understanding on pacs significance proves this thread goes over your head.

Also punisher produces another classic thought provoking thread.

*****

Definitely.

I would've posted the entire article, seeing as how the entire thing is about Pac selling out, basically. But it's long as shit. So I just posted the three paragraphs that stuck out to me the most.

In any regard, what I'm gathering from these posts is that selling out is okay, as long as you do it with a little integrity??

 

[weezyfgarbage]

2PAC was the biggest rapper at the time of his death!!! I dont get why people always deny this fact like " He died then became popular etc etc " he was a STAR at the time of his death , he was doing movies and not just hood movies etc.

I find it funny that as well as being this " gangster " image he had to use while on death row ( lets be honest otherwise he would have been eaten alive by those bloods and crips working there ) he had plans to do bigger things for the black/poor community etc, he was talking about poor people whatever colour they are. he was fuck the government fuck cops and fuck people like C dolores Tucker etc and this was before rappers decided to stop being for the people and just flashing their money and bitches in videos using the same video "hoes" and i know that their are rappers who do anti government songs etc but they are on the "underground" mainly when they should be big like Public Enemy were back in the day.

But then again you get the black haters who dont like him for some reason because they would rather get jiggy and drink cristal and fuck loads of women and life is good for them, i wonder if alot of them actualy remember the impact Pac had at the time or are they comparing his music to todays standards. Also Elvis, Bruce Lee, Bob marley were all on their ways to being legends from the body of work they did but when they died people stopped to realise how great these people were, same as Pac Biggie and Pun dont hate something just because you cant remember it or was not born yet.

Were you into hip hop around that time? If so then you have a better perspective. But people I know who were aware and into hip hop in '95/'96 said pac wasn't as acclaimed as you're claiming, until after he died.

 

[KingNative]

Were you into hip hop around that time? If so then you have a better perspective. But people I know who were aware and into hip hop in '95/'96 said pac wasn't as acclaimed as you're claiming, until after he died.

That's a matter of opinion. I was around at that time & Pac was EVERYWHERE. I would go as far as saying that he was Hip Hop's first genuine worldwide superstar. Don't get me wrong Snoop, Wu Tang & all the others were selling millions & superstars in Hip Hop but when Pac got that NO.1 album in jail (beating America's sweetheart Bruce Springsteen) then came out & signed to Death Row his star status catapulted. All Eyez On Me in my opinion was Pac's magnum opus. It was all eyes on him, that's why along with the Fugees 1996 is considered one of the best,if not the greatest year in Hip Hop. Pac/Pac's death & The Fugees made 96. Alot of people will disagree & hate what I said but that's how I remember things AND I'm from Brooklyn...That's another myth that I want to put to bed right now. PAC DID HAVE FANS IN NEW YORK. I laugh when young cats who weren't around talk about how Pac don't get love out here..cut it out please.

 

[Punisher__]

Were you into hip hop around that time? If so then you have a better perspective. But people I know who were aware and into hip hop in '95/'96 said pac wasn't as acclaimed as you're claiming, until after he died.

And if 95/96 was the year in which Pac became "big", then he clearly was NOT rap's first genuine worldwide superstar. Because Biggie was dominating pretty much every format a whole year before that.

 

[gee757]

Were you into hip hop around that time? If so then you have a better perspective. But people I know who were aware and into hip hop in '95/'96 said pac wasn't as acclaimed as you're claiming, until after he died.

tupac sold 5 million recordz n 2monthz n 96 pac was da MEGA STAR rapper then when he was alive.,,.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Were you into hip hop around that time? If so then you have a better perspective. But people I know who were aware and into hip hop in '95/'96 said pac wasn't as acclaimed as you're claiming, until after he died.

funny shit because I was working In Music when Pac Died and he was Acclaimed then also. He cemented his spot with ME Against the World as far as most Folks out here on the west were concerned but hey to each there own I guess you were not too involved or into Music when Pac was alive...

 

[KingNative]

And if 95/96 was the year in which Pac became "big", then he clearly was NOT rap's first genuine worldwide superstar. Because Biggie was dominating pretty much every format a whole year before that.

I didn't say 96 was the year that he got big, I clearly said 96 was the year that turnt him to a worldwide superstar. There's a difference between a superstar & a superstar on a worldwide level. Big was a star but he wasn't moving those big units overseas, he was huge in NY but NY isn't the world. Pac was on the verge of super stardom before he went to jail, he was in the papers & on the news every other day maybe for the wrong reasons but you couldn't buy the publicity Pac was getting. That's why when he did come out in late 95 & sign with the biggest Hip Hop label on the planet at the time in Death Row, then dropped a few NO.1 singles that were bombing here & overseas then dropped All Eyez On Me it was a wrap.

 

[KingNative]

funny shit because I was working In Music when Pac Died and he was Acclaimed then also. He cemented his spot with ME Against the World as far as most Folks out here on the west were concerned but hey to each there own I guess you were not too involved or into Music when Pac was alive...

Same. I was a fan from Juice & Strictly 4 My Niggaz but Me Against The World made me a fan.

 

[Punisher__]

I didn't say 96 was the year that he got big, I clearly said 96 was the year that turnt him to a worldwide superstar. There's a difference between a superstar & a superstar on a worldwide level. Big was a star but he wasn't moving those big units overseas, he was huge in NY but NY isn't the world. Pac was on the verge of super stardom before he went to jail, he was in the papers & on the news every other day maybe for the wrong reasons but you couldn't buy the publicity Pac was getting. That's why when he did come out in late 95 & sign with the biggest Hip Hop label on the planet at the time in Death Row, then dropped a few NO.1 singles that were bombing here & overseas then dropped All Eyez On Me it was a wrap.

I didn't say you said it.

And Biggie wasn't moving those units overseas? Are you sure about that?

And you're clearly delusional if you don't think Pac's death had ANY type of impact on what he was selling at the time. Because, according to the RIAA, about 50% of his sales came posthumously.

 

[redhandedbandit]

i was 16 in 96 and i didnt really fuck with pacs music til the seven day theory other than i get around his music wasn't getting major spins

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Same. I was a fan from Juice & Strictly 4 My Niggaz but Me Against The World made me a fan.

Shit me too I had heard and Liked Tracks off of 2pacalypse but it was not standout Like Strictly was that Tape was in regular Rotation in 93...

 

[weezyfgarbage]

funny shit because I was working In Music when Pac Died and he was Acclaimed then also. He cemented his spot with ME Against the World as far as most Folks out here on the west were concerned but hey to each there own I guess you were not too involved or into Music when Pac was alive...

yeah I was 5/6 lol, the only music I was listening to was at the credits of shows on cartoon network or shit like that....not that my age is an excuse, but I just wasn't fuckin with real music at that time.

 

[KingNative]

I didn't say you said it.

And Biggie wasn't moving those units overseas? Are you sure about that?

And you're clearly delusional if you don't think Pac's death had ANY type of impact on what he was selling at the time. Because, according to the RIAA, about 50% of his sales came posthumously.

Not when he was still breathing son!!!

Were not talking about Pac's posthumous sales either. I was answering a question someone asked earlier concerning Pac's status in the game whilst he was alive. Anything is irrelevant.

 

[gee757]

i was 16 in 96 and i didnt really fuck with pacs music til the seven day theory other than i get around his music wasn't getting major spins

well 5+ million did lol

 

[Punisher__]

Not when he was still breathing son!!!

Were not talking about Pac's posthumous sales either. I was answering a question someone asked earlier concerning Pac's status in the game whilst he was alive. Anything is irrelevant.

But that's the thing. Pac clearly was NOT as big when he was alive as you all would lead us to believe. Was he moving units? Yes. Did he have hits? Yes. But he was in no way, shape, or form dominating the market...until he died. The majority of his success came posthumously, so how exactly was he some big worldwide superstar pre-death, when he didn't reach that status, til AFTER death?

 

[KingNative]

i was 16 in 96 and i didnt really fuck with pacs music til the seven day theory other than i get around his music wasn't getting major spins

Or maybe his music was getting plenty of spins but you completely ignored it due to the fact you didn't care about Pac until he was dead. The 7 Day Theory came out after he died.

 

[gee757]

But that's the thing. Pac clearly was NOT as big when he was alive as you all would lead us to believe. Was he moving units? Yes. Did he have hits? Yes. But he was in no way, shape, or form dominating the market...until he died. The majority of his success came posthumously, so how exactly was he some big worldwide superstar pre-death, when he didn't reach that status, til AFTER death?

tell me wat rapper n 96 was sellin 5 million recordz n 2monthz while they was ALIVE like 2pac??? that shit was unheard of back then smh

 

[redhandedbandit]

biggie had way more radio spins then pac back then

 

[gee757]

biggie had way more radio spins then pac back then

ok but biggie wasnt sellin as many recordz as 2pac...