So Feb 17th they will be revealing King Tut's DNA results

[Alkindus]

Not racist in terms of "I'll never admit n.iggers were ever smart...NEVERRR!!!" I mean racist in terms of the sub-conscience belief that blacks could never so any thing other than throw spears and peel bananas. Im not saying anybody who doesnt think/know Egyptians were black go to Neo-Nazi meetings every tuesday. Just saying they probably have a low opinion of blacks in general and therefore cant imagine any black civilian could ever exist let alone putting the words black & civilized in the same sentence in the first place.

And name drop all you want. All I'm asking for is hard core proof. So if this Zahi person can debunk the hundreds of experts who say differently then by-all-means lets hear it.

It makes no sense to use modern day perception of 'race'/nationality etc to describe the ancients

those who are truelly interested in history know that the greatest civilisations known to us were located on the afrikan continent. there was once a time hundreds of thousands of scholars from mali travelled all the way to india to spread knowledge(Islamic Timbuktu period). To understand European history one must understand Afrikan/Asian history, every historian with a passion for what he or she does know this.

I guess you and ktulu don't realize that zahi hawass never said the egyptians weren't 'blacks', the only thing he debunked was the american perception of the diversity of man....'you people' tend to put people in boxes and believe thats how the world is. When you vote in your land you even have to fill in 'what' you are right>?during election times they poll white/black people etc thats why half of you so called 'blacks' in the states don't even know they arén't even considered 'black' in Afrika ....I hope you realize this view you have does not ref;ect reality and that when some americans demanded the egyptians to be labeled blacks zahi hawass said no, and said they were their own kind of people he distant himself from that fucked up view . Egypt is diverse as fuck, that was so during the reign of the one you call khufu and it is that way now.

before the automobile we were nomadic as fuck, kamels and donkeys walk(ed) on cruise control, from tangier to timbuktu to memphis, bedouin and budja's were fucking a long time ago son, I could tell you stories from (great) grandfathers/mothers who went to mekka via a donkey but ended up in malta, I bet other posters who originate from this region can tell you similair stories regarding their fam n friens. If it makes you 2 feel good; your living an illusion anyway, just continue believing in this race shit and whatever you feel some people who lived thosuands of years ago were. It's obvious that one of you wants them to be redskin and the other black, so both of you alrady believe in that shit. or are you still convicing yourselves?

 

[Chike]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/egyptarchaeologytutankhamun

Any thoughts??

Yea, anything they tell us is going to be a lie.

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

smh....watch and see the media gonna lie that he's not a black man,knowing damn well he's a BROTHA,but you know since this world is ran by white supremacy and Satanism,they gonna tamper with shit and make a whole lie

 

[thespookwhosatbythed]

If they put red clay on their skin, they're self-hating blacks.

wasnt no self hate just for "dressing" purposes and thats just what they did(forgot why they did that but this is something)

also you forget that the egyptians gave credit and praise to the ethiopians for the development of their technology so they were black in the since.

 

[DarcSkies777]

It makes no sense to use modern day perception of 'race'/nationality etc to describe the ancients

THis is my point. There is only 4 races on the planet: Afrikan, Caucasion, Asain and Native American.

Society back then wasnt mixed enough (at that particular time) for it to be mixed to the point you all are claiming. So if they werent Asian, Caucasian, Native American what were they? BLACK.

We wouldnt be having this discussion about Mayans or Aztecs. We all just looked at how they depicted themselves and STFU. But when blacks are concerned its a different story. 500 years from now two people are going to be online via telekenetics arguing about whether MLK & Barakka Obama were really "BLACK" because their pictures are going to fade and when redrawn gonna start looking lighter...and lighter...and lighter.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

There is only 4 races on the planet: Afrikan, Caucasion, Asain and Native American.

Why do you hold this archaic belief?

If there are 4 races, what happened to make the Native Americans a distinct race from the Asians when we know for a fact the Native Americans got here when Asians crossed over the frozen Bering Straight 40,000 years ago? Why are they not still the Asian race?

And what are Samoans? They're not native to America, but they're not exactly Asian, are they? Most of them look like they eat Asians for breakfast.

I'm surprised that you maintain this 18th century notion of "races." It's hilarious.

Explain to me what a "race" of human beings is, Josh.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Why do you hold this archaic belief?

Because smart people who research DNA and did extensive study on this say so and I believe them because unlike you and the other dude they dont have a "take my word for it" approach to what they view as fact.

And please dont give me that "there's only one race...the human race" bullshit I'm not naive. I live in the real world. And in the real world race matters. A LOT.

Show me proof the Ancient Egyptians were not black as I have shown proof that they were. In name, in visual evidence not to mention common sense.

If there are 4 races, what happened to make the Native Americans a distinct race from the Asians when we know for a fact the Native Americans got here when Asians crossed over the frozen Bering Straight 40,000 years ago? Why are they not still the Asian race?

Same thing that made a bunch of black people turn white. After thousands of years there are mutations.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Because smart people who research DNA and did extensive study on this say so

No, they do not. The only racial revelation from DNA research is that there is more diversity within a so-called race than there is between different so-called races. In other words, the old 4 (or 5) races theory is perfectly debunked.

And you haven't provided any evidence that the Egyptians were Charlie Murphy darkness. You've cherry picked some pictures and selectively ignored symbolism of color in heiroglyphs and then repeatedly made fallacious appeals to authority.

They're going to reveal that Tut was Korean anyway.

 

[DarcSkies777]

And you haven't provided any evidence that the Egyptians were Charlie Murphy darkness.

Are you reading these threads via some type of Morse Code attachment on your iPhone or can you just not see the pictures? And why is a dark skinned picture that clearly shows dark skinned COMPLEXIONS (no any fucking paint) symbolism. But when they're light skinned images they are the real people?

Also continuously not agreeing or being Socratic does not equate to facts. Im just asking you to prove that they werent dark-skinned that's all. Never said they were ALL dark-skinned. But you said none were and I showed clear evidence that they were. Via name meanings and even images. So when you can SHOW ME and not just TELL ME I'll believe it. Until then I dont know what more I can say because you are choosing not to acknowledge evidence that debunks what you claim.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

All of your "evidence" so far has been mega old debunked or misunderstood stuff. This is all about an irrational attachment to a notion that boosts your self esteem. Plus, I've been trolling you the entire time. I don't do genuine posting on the IC. That's what Tha Corner is for. Even the first two sentences in this post are a troll. You're my main man and you should post at TC instead of here on this cyber wasteland.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Blah blah...PROVE IT. It's been 2 pages (on my settings) and all you've come up with is "that's not evidence...they werent black...etc etc etc" words mean nothing to me. I'm not religious I dont believe something because it sounds good. PROOF: Do you have it?

If so please supply it as I did. You cant argue with images that the people themselves draw, painted, composed, etc. At this time it's just time to put up or shut up. Prove to me they werent black as I have proved to you they were. And if you cant you cant. But the back-n-forth after 2 days is a waste.

This is all about an irrational attachment to a notion that boosts your self esteem.

Just as I said racist attitudes most of you dont even realize you have. Anytime black people do something or mention something a people has done that resembles their skin color it's "low self-esteem....the race card...an exaggeration..."

Yet when we talk about white men's achievements it's "important history...a major turning point in history...a celebration of the human condition and the potential of man" Funny how you harp and rant about how Christians cant supply any evidence for their beliefs yet they belief them anyway yet when asked to supply evidence for your irrational beliefs all you do is continue to "blahhh blahhh blahhhh." Are you so arrogant that you think your word means more to any rational person than 5000 year old definitions, major scholars, published works that were researched by experts in the field and not to mention COMMON SENSE?

You cant always be right KTULU sometimes a sign of intelligence is knowing when you're dead wrong. And at least in this debate, on this day in this time in space....YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG. Dont be so arrogant that you go trying to explain away shit with passive aggressive name calling (i.e. you're irrational and lack self-esteem).

If you cant prove your point just admit it and move on.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Egypt's black pharaohs ignored

BY CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sunday, January 20th 2008, 3:15 AM

Egypt was ruled by black pharaohs for nearly 100 years, but their role as leaders of the ancient civilization has been largely kept in the dark because of racism, according to this month's National Geographic magazine.

Scholars and historians have repeatedly failed to acknowledge the impact made by the group of kings who traveled from deep in Africa and conquered Egypt in 728 B.C., National Geographic says.

The Nubian kings, who came from an area of Africa that is mostly present-day Sudan, became the country's 25th dynasty and reunited Egypt, which had been torn apart by warlords.

The magazine claims the true impact of these rulers has never been widely accepted because European powers colonized the region in the 19th century and the role of the "darker skinned" conquerors was seen as irrelevant.

"For decades, historians flip-flopped: Either the black pharaohs were actually 'white,' or they were bumblers, their civilization a derivative off-shoot of true Egyptian culture," writes Robert Draper in National Geographic.

"The neglect of Nubian history reflected the bigoted world view of the times."

The story of the Nubians proves that African civilization was thriving in the ancient world, and intermingling and intermarriage with Egyptians was also reasonably common, the article says.

Some studies also have found that Egyptian pharaoh King Tutankhamun's grandmother, the 18th-dynasty Queen Tye, may have had Nubian heritage.

So basically WHITE PEOPLE (shocker) knew they were black just not "Wesley Snipes black" as I said before. So they swept the true history under the rug because of RACISM (or as you call it...just good white folks dealing with people with low self esteem). But for 100 years BLACK ASS NUBIAN MIDNIGHT SKIN COLORED BLACK ruled and there was no mistaking what color they were. But let me guess KTULU You know more than National Geographic and the NYDailyNews right? Once again just because they werent 12 o'clock midnight black doesnt mean they werent black.

So is this 2008 article outdated also? I mean it has been 2 whole years. Maybe last week some phantom scientist you worship has found out there was never as such thing as Egypt period lol

 

[paranom]

well cotdamn

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Like I said, I've been trolling you the entire time. Put down the feelings you've caught.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Why is it every time you lose an argument you claim you were "trolling?" When you are making a fool of Jesus Freaks and making them look as dumb as they are (which admittedly isnt too hard) you never claim to be trolling. But when you feel you're being made an ass off (by OBFresh the last time she tore in to you and whoever that little faggot is that was beefing with you when you FAKE RETIRED) all-of-the-sudden you pretend you were just "trolling" and claim the other person was "catching feelings."

Funny how when you have the upper hand you're just plain ol' KTULU but when somebody makes you feel stupid all the sudden "you're just trolling." You like a fat kid who hits on a little girl and then finally has the balls to pick on a dude and soon as he gets hit back he's like, "I WAS JUST PLAYIN HOMIE DONT GET MAD & BEAT MY ASS, I BE DOIN DAT SHIT SUMTIMES. LETS HUG AND BE FRIENDS."

 

[Focal Point]

all very interesting... I was debating with someone on whether or not Imhotep was black... Guy didn't wanna believe he was black

 

[janklow]

Because smart people who research DNA and did extensive study on this say so and I believe them because unlike you and the other dude they dont have a "take my word for it" approach to what they view as fact.

i thought they broke it down into three racial groups and called the Asians and the Native Americans members of that same group?

 

[DarcSkies777]

i thought they broke it down into three racial groups and called the Asians and the Native Americans members of that same group?

Maybe so. I was going by memory with all except the parts I copy pasted. But the Native Americans did come from Asians though when North America was going through the ice age.

 

[BOSS KTULU]

Why is it every time you lose an argument

I've never lost an argument.

 

[janklow]

Maybe so. I was going by memory with all except the parts I copy pasted. But the Native Americans did come from Asians though when North America was going through the ice age.

i mostly recall them all getting labeled as "Mongoloids" because it's not the most endearing of terms