so are we ready to admit....

[gns]

Nah.....His team won him one is more like it. Westbrooks numbers were just as good as Roses wit the exception of ppg by 4 points. Westbrook was better rebounding and stealing. Rose just took more shots. And was in a bigger sports market

lol nigga is u buggin? r u watching his mediocre ass team in the playoffs right now? rose is cavs lebron to those niggaz

 

[bigrizz]

lol nigga is u buggin? r u watching his mediocre ass team in the playoffs right now? rose is cavs lebron to those niggaz

They arent mediocre with the best record in the east. The hawks have a team full of damn near top 10 picks in their starting lineup..They present matchup problems. The playoffs are just a different animal than the regular season. They aint the 72-10 Bulls. The hawks are in the playoffs for a reason. But Rose aint win all them games alone.....He just scores the most points which most fans think thats all basketball is about.

 

[bigrizz]

lol nigga is u buggin? r u watching his mediocre ass team in the playoffs right now? rose is cavs lebron to those niggaz

Without his team buying into that new D, and a bunch of niggas willing to do the dirty work....they are a 40 win team.

 

[Mumo X]

They arent mediocre with the best record in the east. The hawks have a team full of damn near top 10 picks in their starting lineup..They present matchup problems. The playoffs are just a different animal than the regular season. They aint the 72-10 Bulls. The hawks are in the playoffs for a reason. But Rose aint win all them games alone.....He just scores the most points which most fans think thats all basketball is about.

tabernacle. Watch delusional Rose stans come hard @ ya for spittin the truth.

 

[young chad]

Without his team buying into that new D, and a bunch of niggas willing to do the dirty work....they are a 40 win team.

You sound like an idiot....ANY team that doesnt buy into the coaches philosophy and play D doesnt win 62 games....thats common fuckin sense, not just the Bulls...doesnt change he's the nucleus of the team...and if Rose had a KD type player on his team to clear up some of those double and triple teams, plus help him win games so he's not so tired in the playoffs, that nigga would be the new Black Jesus around these parts...PLEASE don't sit here and tell me that a nigga that is second fiddle on his team is as good as the MVP.

You don't compare Robin to Superman, you just don't! Yea, they're both hero's..and yea if you're in trouble you don't mind either coming to the rescue...but one is still a sidekick, while the other is the got damn man. Now close this dumb ass thread!

 

[bigrizz]

You sound like an idiot....ANY team that doesnt buy into the coaches philosophy and play D doesnt win 62 games....thats common fuckin sense, not just the Bulls...doesnt change he's the nucleus of the team...and if Rose had a KD type player on his team to clear up some of those double and triple teams, plus help him win games so he's not so tired in the playoffs, that nigga would be the new Black Jesus around these parts...PLEASE don't sit here and tell me that a nigga that is second fiddle on his team is as good as the MVP.

You don't compare Robin to Superman, you just don't! Yea, they're both hero's..and yea if you're in trouble you don't mind either coming to the rescue...but one is still a sidekick, while the other is the got damn man. Now close this dumb ass thread!

So he grabs all the rebounds and plays D on everyone on the court on top of scoring 100 points a game....right. I wasnt putting down D Rose. I commented on someone saying his team was mediocre. No player ever won 62 games alone. Make sure you read before typing out your thoughts

Even worse. The numbers dont lie...And Westbrook is just as good as Rose. Fuck niggas man-crushes. I only speak on what the players actually do on the court.

And they actually won 40 games last year and none of these niggas had they capes on last year..Shits disgusting

 

[young chad]

That man-crush shit gets tossed around way too much..it's more like a refusal to let the bullshit go on.

No MVP in HISTORY has done EVERYTHING for their team...he is simply the MOST valuable player on the best team, or the player that makes the biggest difference for his team that season. To say Chicago won the MVP for Rose is not even stupid, it's just hate.

Unless you think Cleveland won the MVP for Lebron those 2 years in a row as well? Or that Pippen won it for Jordan? Smh, it's sad that nigga's can't STAND to see someone that ESPN did NOT predict being relevant, being a top tier talent! Nigga's just not trying to accept Rose being a notch above Westbrook...you talk about all the wonderful things Westbrook does, but he does it with a CERTIFIED Superstar on his squad..he does it with the BACK TO BACK NBA scoring Champion on his squad..

Rose is doing the SAME thing as Westbrook, with OUT having a nigga on his team that averages 31ppgs...do you not understand how much harder it is, to be THAT good, when you are the FOCAL point of the defense!? It's not even like Westbrook has an average nigga on his team, he has the NBA SCORING CHAMPION...arguably the MOST clutch player in the league. You don't think that has ANY impact on Westbrook's numbers? You don't think the fact that teams can't focus SOLELY on Westbrook, and that he is the second priority to a teams defensive scheme, helps his numbers? And for the record, if you have the NBA's most efficient scorer on your team, you're probably going to average a few assists as well.

Westbrook is a REALLY good PG...but his decision making sucks, he's selfish, he's a glory hog, and he's the product of having one of the NBA's most ELITE players on his team..point, blank, period! Again, Robin looks a whole lot better as Batman's sidekick!

 

[bigrizz]

That man-crush shit gets tossed around way too much..it's more like a refusal to let the bullshit go on.

No MVP in HISTORY has done EVERYTHING for their team...he is simply the MOST valuable player on the best team, or the player that makes the biggest difference for his team that season. To say Chicago won the MVP for Rose is not even stupid, it's just hate.

Unless you think Cleveland won the MVP for Lebron those 2 years in a row as well? Or that Pippen won it for Jordan? Smh, it's sad that nigga's can't STAND to see someone that ESPN did NOT predict being relevant, being a top tier talent! Nigga's just not trying to accept Rose being a notch above Westbrook...you talk about all the wonderful things Westbrook does, but he does it with a CERTIFIED Superstar on his squad..he does it with the BACK TO BACK NBA scoring Champion on his squad..

Rose is doing the SAME thing as Westbrook, with OUT having a nigga on his team that averages 31ppgs...do you not understand how much harder it is, to be THAT good, when you are the FOCAL point of the defense!? It's not even like Westbrook has an average nigga on his team, he has the NBA SCORING CHAMPION...arguably the MOST clutch player in the league. You don't think that has ANY impact on Westbrook's numbers? You don't think the fact that teams can't focus SOLELY on Westbrook, and that he is the second priority to a teams defensive scheme, helps his numbers? And for the record, if you have the NBA's most efficient scorer on your team, you're probably going to average a few assists as well.

Westbrook is a REALLY good PG...but his decision making sucks, he's selfish, he's a glory hog, and he's the product of having one of the NBA's most ELITE players on his team..point, blank, period! Again, Robin looks a whole lot better as Batman's sidekick!

Im only going by the numbers the players put up this season, not by how i feel about them personally.....D.Rose is also putting up those numbers by design. The coach gives him freedom most players dont get. And you see why they are struggling against the hawks. I think D rose is nice as fuck, and he is the focal point OFFENSIVELY, but that nigga couldnt guard my grandmom. And the fact he has other players commited on the Defensive end won him an MVP.....that and sportcenter highlights. But numbers wise not one sole can argue the numbers they both put up. Period.

So by your logic there has never been a player that put up great numbers on a losing team? Obviously the other members of that team have to help win games in order to win that MVP....

 

[young chad]

Im only going by the numbers the players put up this season, not by how i feel about them personally.....D.Rose is also putting up those numbers by design. The coach gives him freedom most players dont get. And you see why they are struggling against the hawks. I think D rose is nice as fuck, and he is the focal point OFFENSIVELY, but that nigga couldnt guard my grandmom. And the fact he has other players commited on the Defensive end won him an MVP.....that and sportcenter highlights. But numbers wise not one sole can argue the numbers they both put up. Period.

So by your logic there has never been a player that put up great numbers on a losing team? Obviously the other members of that team have to help win games in order to win that MVP....

Again, you can't look at NUMBERS, you have to look at their surrounds and circumstances. RW is in a position to put up better numbers than Rose because he is NOT facing constant double teams, and because he has someone he can pass to that will hit the shot about 50% of the time. How does that NOT make sense?

Putting up numbers on a losing team doesn't make you less talented, it just decreases your value amongst other valuable players. And again, pay attention to what I'm saying..YOU, CLAIMING ROSE'S TEAM WON HIM THE MVP...is FUCKING.....RETARDED. Why? Because EVERY....MVP...has SOLID teammates surrounding him. You ACT LIKE, Rose is the first MVP to win 60+ games...or have a surrounding cast that makes it so that he doesn't have to do EVERYTHING on the court. That's how Basketball is designed. Yes, his TEAM played good..the MVP trophy signifies that he is LARGELY responsible for how well his teamed played. Look at all the MVP winners in league history, I am willing to bet that 95% of them had a Robin on their squad

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

westbrook tryin so hard to be rose, he don damn near lost 3 games by himself

 

[bigrizz]

]Again, you can't look at NUMBERS, you have to look at their surrounds and circumstances.[/B] RW is in a position to put up better numbers than Rose because he is NOT facing constant double teams, and because he has someone he can pass to that will hit the shot about 50% of the time. How does that NOT make sense?

Putting up numbers on a losing team doesn't make you less talented, it just decreases your value amongst other valuable players. And again, pay attention to what I'm saying..YOU, CLAIMING ROSE'S TEAM WON HIM THE MVP...is FUCKING.....RETARDED. Why? Because EVERY....MVP...has SOLID teammates surrounding him. You ACT LIKE, Rose is the first MVP to win 60+ games...or have a surrounding cast that makes it so that he doesn't have to do EVERYTHING on the court. That's how Basketball is designed. Yes, his TEAM played good..the MVP trophy signifies that he is LARGELY responsible for how well his teamed played. Look at all the MVP winners in league history, I am willing to bet that 95% of them had a Robin on their squad

So if KD wasnt on the thunder, you assume his numbers wouldnt be better as the number one option? I think he would have more shot opportunities...whats even worse is westbrook put up basically the same numbers in less minutes!

And this season, there numbers are practically the same, and Westbrook is a better in rebounding, steals,and assists, but isnt as good as the "MVP" thats ridiculous. But i get the hype because of the other players on his team missing time..

 

[young chad]

So if KD wasnt on the thunder, you assume his numbers wouldnt be better as the number one option? I think he would have more shot opportunities...whats even worse is westbrook put up basically the same numbers in less minutes!

And this season, there numbers are practically the same, and Westbrook is a better in rebounding, steals,and assists, but isnt as good as the "MVP" thats ridiculous. But i get the hype because of the other players on his team missing time..

No, I don't...because I've seen what Westbrook TRIES to do when he TRIES to be the number one option in the post season...and he's costing his team more than helping them. I get Westbrook is good, but what I don't get is how people can't see his numbers across the board are ELEVATED because he plays with a nigga who averages 31ppg...

You think Jameer Nelson would be an all-star without Dwight Howard on the team?

 

[down2earth]

That man-crush shit gets tossed around way too much..it's more like a refusal to let the bullshit go on.

No MVP in HISTORY has done EVERYTHING for their team...he is simply the MOST valuable player on the best team, or the player that makes the biggest difference for his team that season. To say Chicago won the MVP for Rose is not even stupid, it's just hate.

Unless you think Cleveland won the MVP for Lebron those 2 years in a row as well? Or that Pippen won it for Jordan? Smh, it's sad that nigga's can't STAND to see someone that ESPN did NOT predict being relevant, being a top tier talent! Nigga's just not trying to accept Rose being a notch above Westbrook...you talk about all the wonderful things Westbrook does, but he does it with a CERTIFIED Superstar on his squad..he does it with the BACK TO BACK NBA scoring Champion on his squad..

Rose is doing the SAME thing as Westbrook, with OUT having a nigga on his team that averages 31ppgs...do you not understand how much harder it is, to be THAT good, when you are the FOCAL point of the defense!? It's not even like Westbrook has an average nigga on his team, he has the NBA SCORING CHAMPION...arguably the MOST clutch player in the league. You don't think that has ANY impact on Westbrook's numbers? You don't think the fact that teams can't focus SOLELY on Westbrook, and that he is the second priority to a teams defensive scheme, helps his numbers? And for the record, if you have the NBA's most efficient scorer on your team, you're probably going to average a few assists as well.

Westbrook is a REALLY good PG...but his decision making sucks, he's selfish, he's a glory hog, and he's the product of having one of the NBA's most ELITE players on his team..point, blank, period! Again, Robin looks a whole lot better as Batman's sidekick!

Co-Sign this right here man.....OKC is damn near a lottery team without KD....RW couldn't do what Rose does night in and night out. The reason why the game today went 3 OTs is because there were MINUTES at a time where RW wouldn't give up the fucking rock to the most clutch/solid player on the team. RW has no good outside shot and he's very erratic/akward and at times out of control. He's still good and puts up good numbers but it's real easy to do that when teams CAN'T double you because they will get torched by a 6'10 sharp shooter.

RW is playing against guys who can't guard him (Varquez, Conley, Allen) whereas Rose is damn near uncheckable....there's a BIG difference. He gonna ball hog his way out of OKC and lose them a few games if he keeps up.....how do you not give your best player on the squad the ball for 9 minutes? Cats will do anything to pop off a thread these days i guess

 

[Tha Killa]

So if KD wasnt on the thunder, you assume his numbers wouldnt be better as the number one option? I think he would have more shot opportunities...whats even worse is westbrook put up basically the same numbers in less minutes!

And this season, there numbers are practically the same, and Westbrook is a better in rebounding, steals,and assists, but isnt as good as the "MVP" thats ridiculous. But i get the hype because of the other players on his team missing time..

Rose doesn't play with another Top 5 player in the league tho. That's the point. Put Rose on the Thunder and Memphis would have lost in 5-6 instead of damn near winnin in 5.

 

[bigrizz]

Rose doesn't play with another Top 5 player in the league tho. That's the point. Put Rose on the Thunder and Memphis would have lost in 5-6 instead of damn near winnin in 5.

Thats just an assumption of an outcome. But i give Rose the edge because of that. But you cant take credit away because of the other players on the team. They still put up similar numbers. I think the fact westbrook put up what he did with KD says how good he is because he doesnt get the amount of attempts Rose does and does better in every other stat.....IN LESS MINUTES. I also get that having KD takes away alot of attention from RW. But the numbers dont lie. Im sure luol Deng could score more if their offense demanded it. But they just iso rose all game

 

[bigrizz]

No, I don't...because I've seen what Westbrook TRIES to do when he TRIES to be the number one option in the post season...and he's costing his team more than helping them. I get Westbrook is good, but what I don't get is how people can't see his numbers across the board are ELEVATED because he plays with a nigga who averages 31ppg...

You think Jameer Nelson would be an all-star without Dwight Howard on the team?

That a whole other topic, but there would be more shots available for him. So whos to say? Both Rose and Westbrook have questionable shot selection. But Westbrook HAS to give the ball up, Rose doesnt...and they still had the same production

 

[CoolJoe]

No way the Thunder are ever winning a title with Westbrook thinking he should be shooting more than Durant.

 

[[Trillmatic]]

Rose doesn't play with another Top 5 player in the league tho. That's the point. Put Rose on the Thunder and Memphis would have lost in 5-6 instead of damn near winnin in 5.

man if rose was on the thunder the brooms woulda been out real talk..he woullda put them in all types of foul trouble early.

 

[young chad]

man if rose was on the thunder the brooms woulda been out real talk..he woullda put them in all types of foul trouble early.

Rose and KD would dominate the league real talk...I think a lot of people think Rose LIKES to gun..there's a difference between shooting 30 shots because you HAVE to, and 30 shots because you WANT to...Rose prefers to penetrate and dish...he wants to WIN..not look pretty...

 

[Figo]

2011 Playoffs Statistics
Derrick rose
PPG 29.4
RPG 4.80
APG 7.6
EFF + 25.00
FG% 0.445
STL 17
Efficiency Per Game 25.0

Russell Westbrook
PPG 26.1
RPG 5.70
APG 6.7
EFF + 21.33
FG% 0.408
STL 13
Efficiency Per Game 21.3

Kevin Durant
PPG 30.9
RPG 7.70
APG 2.7
EFF + 28.00
FG% 0.458
STL 10
Efficiency Per Game 28.0


Kobe Bryant
PPG 22.8
RPG 3.40
APG 3.3
EFF + 16.90
STL 16
Efficiency Per Game 16.9