Skyfather level tournament

[gns]

U niggaz iz fucking out nerding me idk wtf y'all talking about.

 

[evoljeanyes]

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

 

[Bcotton5]

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

Odin is not above Dormammu.....

lol Shuma is waaaay above Skyfather level Shuma is Chaos

 

[evoljeanyes]

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

Odin is not above Dormammu.....

lol Shuma is waaaay above Skyfather level Shuma is Chaos

Based on what is Dormammu above Odin? And how is Shuma waaaaaay above sky father? No diss just explain.

 

[DarkRaiden]

I thought shuma was equivalent to agamotto? Not true?

Agamotto is stronger than Shuma

Nah Shuma stalemate the Vishanti (it's theorized). All we know is he fought all three of them, and they couldn't beat him nor banish him from the 616. Though they still lived. So it was a likely stalemate.

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

Odin is not above Dormammu.....

lol Shuma is waaaay above Skyfather level Shuma is Chaos

Based on what is Dormammu above Odin? And how is Shuma waaaaaay above sky father? No diss just explain.

It was stated IIRC that Odin and Dormammu stalemated in a fight once.

Shuma is waaaaaay above Skyfather by conquering many universes, by making the Galactus Engine (and killing Death in the cancerverse) by even CLassic Dr. Strange needed prep and more, still losing, and using Shuma's own energies just to temporarily beat him, and by stalemating the Vishanti, when one of them was stalemating Galactus 1v1 and Galactus stomps sky fathers.

 

[Bcotton5]

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

Odin is not above Dormammu.....

lol Shuma is waaaay above Skyfather level Shuma is Chaos

Based on what is Dormammu above Odin? And how is Shuma waaaaaay above sky father? No diss just explain.

dorm and odin are equal they fought to a stalemate

 

[evoljeanyes]

Feats though, Dormammu has no feat comparable to Odin outside of that bullshit with eternity. Odin and dormammu's fight wasn't really a fight. Odin has too many feats...show me there fight? If you're talking about the fight from the store book where they were battling for chaos and order...two universal necessities. ODIN had to stalemate...no questions asked. If Odin had lost or won it would have created universal imbalance. He wasn't projecting the full force of his energy. He needed to stalemate. He did. Odin's power set is crazy. His mysticism trumps Dormammu, he is a much better fighter...Dormmamu schemes better. But he wants none of Odin.

 

[jaxn]

I'm pretty sure Dormammu is stronger that Shuma too.

hes not. he even says it when they fight each other in marvel vs capcom 3

Marvel vs. Capcom is a video game. Shuma is not more powerful than Dormammu

 

[jaxn]

I thought shuma was equivalent to agamotto? Not true?

Agamotto is stronger than Shuma

Nah Shuma stalemate the Vishanti (it's theorized). All we know is he fought all three of them, and they couldn't beat him nor banish him from the 616. Though they still lived. So it was a likely stalemate.

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it

Odin is above Dormammu...I don't see how anyone could put Odin below Shuma and agamotto based on feats.

Odin is not above Dormammu.....

lol Shuma is waaaay above Skyfather level Shuma is Chaos

Based on what is Dormammu above Odin? And how is Shuma waaaaaay above sky father? No diss just explain.

It was stated IIRC that Odin and Dormammu stalemated in a fight once.

Shuma is waaaaaay above Skyfather by conquering many universes, by making the Galactus Engine (and killing Death in the cancerverse) by even CLassic Dr. Strange needed prep and more, still losing, and using Shuma's own energies just to temporarily beat him, and by stalemating the Vishanti, when one of them was stalemating Galactus 1v1 and Galactus stomps sky fathers.

Shuma fighting the Vishanti isn't really saying much since there are no details to their battle, while we have several actual showings for Dormammu. It wasn't just Shuma who created the Galactus Engine. Alot of Shuma's props comes from like one book if i'm not mistaken

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Shuma doesn't have a lot of showings, but that's mostly because he hasn't even been around much. You can't automatically used that to say that Dormammu is more powerful.

Strange said that demons like Mephisto and Satannish are like mice compared to Shuma. Now Dormammu is stronger than them too, but not to that degree.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Adam Warlock beat the dog shit out of Mephisto in his realm...he is nothing to Dormammu and Odin types either, G. I think with Shuma you have to tale into consideration that most of his feats were in PIS situations.

Its really hard for me, and I don't know how anyone else could...separate Odin Dormammu agamotto cyttorak and shuma...Odin separated himself by without much effort stalemating Dormammu (because he had to)...he is the only one that has separated himself...Surtur is in that group as well.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Well you can't separate Shuma based on feats, but you can based on the perception surrounding him. He's generally portrayed in a far more menacing manner than Dormammu. Then there is the whole thing with his mere presence putting the universe at risk. Dormammu is not that powerful.

 

[jaxn]

Shuma doesn't have a lot of showings, but that's mostly because he hasn't even been around much. You can't automatically used that to say that Dormammu is more powerful.

Strange said that demons like Mephisto and Satannish are like mice compared to Shuma. Now Dormammu is stronger than them too, but not to that degree.

What are Shuma's feats other than Strange's hyperbole in that one issue? Satannish is quite likely more powerful as well. Lesser demons are like gnats to Shuma but that goes for Satannish and Dormammu

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Shuma doesn't have a lot of showings, but that's mostly because he hasn't even been around much. You can't automatically used that to say that Dormammu is more powerful.

Strange said that demons like Mephisto and Satannish are like mice compared to Shuma. Now Dormammu is stronger than them too, but not to that degree.

What are Shuma's feats other than Strange's hyperbole in that one issue? Satannish is quite likely more powerful as well. Lesser demons are like gnats to Shuma but that goes for Satannish and Dormammu

Strange specifically named Satannish as one of the demons that were like mice to Shuma. And just because you don't like a statement, doesn't mean it's hyperbole. Strange is someone that has dealt with a variety of demons so he's the best character to compare their power. There was nothing to suggest his statement was hyperbole and not his honest assessment of how Shuma compared to other demons.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Well you can't separate Shuma based on feats, but you can based on the perception surrounding him. He's generally portrayed in a far more menacing manner than Dormammu. Then there is the whole thing with his mere presence putting the universe at risk. Dormammu is not that powerful.

I'm actually inclined to agree with you on Shuma being above Dormammu...but how can we debate it, is really my point. There is nothing that puts him over Dormammu with certainty.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That's true. It's speculation. I'm just pointing out that what little info we have points to Shuma being more of a threat than Dormammu.

 

[evoljeanyes]

That's true. It's speculation. I'm just pointing out that what little info we have points to Shuma being more of a threat than Dormammu.

I honestly agree bro...its always hard to take statements from characters as fact though...all heroes are prone to hyperbole.

 

[jaxn]

Shuma doesn't have a lot of showings, but that's mostly because he hasn't even been around much. You can't automatically used that to say that Dormammu is more powerful.

Strange said that demons like Mephisto and Satannish are like mice compared to Shuma. Now Dormammu is stronger than them too, but not to that degree.

What are Shuma's feats other than Strange's hyperbole in that one issue? Satannish is quite likely more powerful as well. Lesser demons are like gnats to Shuma but that goes for Satannish and Dormammu

Strange specifically named Satannish as one of the demons that were like mice to Shuma. And just because you don't like a statement, doesn't mean it's hyperbole. Strange is someone that has dealt with a variety of demons so he's the best character to compare their power. There was nothing to suggest his statement was hyperbole and not his honest assessment of how Shuma compared to other demons.

what are Shuma's feats? Unless there's something shown to support Strange's comments, then its hyperbole. It's not a matter of me liking the statement or character because i really don't care. I would not place Shuma above Odin

 

[Bcotton5]

Shuma doesn't have a lot of showings, but that's mostly because he hasn't even been around much. You can't automatically used that to say that Dormammu is more powerful.

Strange said that demons like Mephisto and Satannish are like mice compared to Shuma. Now Dormammu is stronger than them too, but not to that degree.

dormammu created Satannish he's leagues above them

 

[The Lonious Monk]

what are Shuma's feats? Unless there's something shown to support Strange's comments, then its hyperbole. It's not a matter of me liking the statement or character because i really don't care. I would not place Shuma above Odin

I understand it's nice to have feats to back statements, but you can't say that statements are exaggerated or false just because there are no in-story feats to back them. These are comic book stories not real life. If Strange has sensed or come in contact with the energies of both and made that declaration, we don't need feats to take him at his word. If the writer chooses that as his particular tool to reveal information, you have to accept the information given. You can't dismiss it because the information wasn't exposed in the way you prefer. There is no reason to believe Strange was exaggerating, and given what happened when only a portion of Shuma's essence was channeled through Strange, I'd say that his assertion was supported.