Skyfather level tournament

[Bcotton5]

Dormmy isnt over Shuma,hes Odin level but he plots and schemes to beat more powerful than him like when he beat Eternity

 

[Bcotton5]

Shuma is over all of them

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Shuma is not Skyfather level. He's far above that.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Shuma is not Skyfather level. He's far above that.

 

[gns]

How tf molecule(molecular?) Man get on this list?

 

[evoljeanyes]

Shuma is not Skyfather level. He's far above that.

Far above that how?

 

[evoljeanyes]

I thought shuma was equivalent to agamotto? Not true?

 

[jaxn]

Agamotto is stronger than Shuma

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Shuma is not Skyfather level. He's far above that.

Far above that how?

If I'm not mistaken, it was stated that Demon's on Dormammu's level were like servants in the worlds Shuma has conquered. Even if we take the Many Angled Ones to represent Shuma in some fashion, they were more of a threat than Dormammu has ever been.

 

[Bcotton5]

Shuma is not Skyfather level. He's far above that.

Far above that how?

If I'm not mistaken, it was stated that Demon's on Dormammu's level were like servants in the worlds Shuma has conquered. Even if we take the Many Angled Ones to represent Shuma in some fashion, they were more of a threat than Dormammu has ever been.

Dormmy usually jobs to Strange hes far above him. Hes Odin level but with prep he takes down beings like Eternity

 

[evoljeanyes]

So wait I am way off on Shuma being skyfather...PIS is the only way to explain dormammu beating eternity. I thought with certainty that Shuma Cyttorak agamotto and Dormammu were peers. Am I way off? @theloniousmonk @jaxn

 

[evoljeanyes]

Shuma and Agommotto are above skyfather below universal abstract? Where does Spectre rank? Is he Above Galactus and anti monitor or below/equal?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

People always bring up Dormy beating Eternity but seem to forget that Eternity was in a weakened stated and Dormammu had absorbed the powers of a bunch of high level Demon Lords. He never beat Eternity at his normal level of power.

Spectre is a wild card. His power comes straight from the Presence and can be however much the Presence feels he should have. So the Spectre's power has ranged from standard Marvel Earth hero level to High Cosmic. On the average though I'd say he's probably below High Father level.

 

[jaxn]

I'm pretty sure Dormammu is stronger that Shuma too.

 

[evoljeanyes]

I thought for sure Odin was the god of Skyfather's. Dormammu seems to give him trouble most...then I thought agamotto Shuma would be right there with cyttorak Trigon coming after. To me Sky fathers used to be written as just a rung below Galactus eternity and them...so it would be LT then eternity death Galactus then Odin as far as power rankings. But I presume that has changed.

 

[jaxn]

I wouldn't say Odin is the god of skyfathers, he's just the one who sees the most shine. He's probably slightly stronger than Zeus though. If i'm not mistaken, Agamotto is stronger. Shuma may be stronger in his own dimension, but that pretty much goes for all mystics

 

[evoljeanyes]

Agamotto has a realm as well correct? Odin's skills don't fluctuate outside of Asgard much! That's why I put him so high. Plus he created man...and has some ridiculous feats.

 

[jaxn]

this is off topic, but in one of these threads, i stated Surtur is more powerful than Odin. After pulling out some of the stacks, i'd place them evenly

 

[Bcotton5]

I'm pretty sure Dormammu is stronger that Shuma too.

hes not. he even says it when they fight each other in marvel vs capcom 3

 

[Bcotton5]

odin isnt the top of skyfathers either

dormmy stalemated him with thor watching.

Dormammu is omnipotent in his dimension like most of the others and weakened outside of it