'Shock' atheists

[Jonas.dini]

LOL. This is not something that I created. I first learned about this a couple of months about when I was debating someone on another forum. If you don't know about the belief of nothingness then maybe you should do some more homework.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/yellow_number_fire/science/5474

Stephen Hawking says universe created from nothing

http:www.feandft.com/59 The Absurdity of Nothingness.htm

...The idea of "zero" or nothing, requires the existence of "something" in order for it to have meaning.

Yea dogg, I get the reference, but your weak oversimplification and implication that this is a matter of faith is literally something that a third grader with half an ounce of critical thinking skills can see through.

 

[toomy]

Yea dogg, I get the reference, but your weak oversimplification and implication that this is a matter of faith is literally something that a third grader with half an ounce of critical thinking skills can see through.

It's simple. Atheists use ambiguity, disinformation and intellectual prowness to confuse and belittle people of faith. But the facts all boils down to Atheist believing that the Universe were created by nothing and people of faith believing that the Universe was created by a God who is eternal - having no beginning and no ending. IMO they are both hard to believe but I choose to believe in God not because of the bible but because some of the tribes in Africa claim that they seen how God created the world and the Universe with their own eyes through rituals

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

they dont even realize how much they have in common.

atheists are as much devoted to their Beliefs as theists are to there own it is sad how they are just extremes of one another...

 

[Hyde Parke]

atheists are as much devoted to their Beliefs as theists are to there own it is sad how they are just extremes of one another...

good to see others realize this. i said that awhile back, they the opposites of the same stick, and got all kinds of backlash from the atheist. they'd like to "believe" that they have no belief, but they do just as much as the believers do, else they wouldnt have so much to say about it.

 

[Jonas.dini]

atheists are as much devoted to their Beliefs as theists are to there own it is sad how they are just extremes of one another...

Atheism isn't a belief, it is the rejection of a belief

 

[Jonas.dini]

It's simple. Atheists use ambiguity, disinformation and intellectual prowness to confuse and belittle people of faith. But the facts all boils down to Atheist believing that the Universe were created by nothing and people of faith believing that the Universe was created by a God who is eternal - having no beginning and no ending. IMO they are both hard to believe but I choose to believe in God not because of the bible but because some of the tribes in Africa claim that they seen how God created the world and the Universe with their own eyes through rituals

Advocating something based on evidence (science) >>> making up something to explain the unknown

 

[Jonas.dini]

I wish I could change my screenname to abraham, since I done sonned so many religious people in this thread

 

[Hyde Parke]

Atheism isn't a belief, it is the rejection of a belief

which is also a belief that holds its own concepts on the disbelief of a belief(s) that rejection in itself, is a concept, which is a belief

 

[Jonas.dini]

which is also a belief that holds its own concepts on the disbelief of a belief(s) that rejection in itself, is a concept, which is a belief

False, but nice try...

Rejecting an unfounded belief does not constitute a belief.

noun /biˈlēf/ 

beliefs, plural

An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists

- his belief in the value of hard work

- a belief that solitude nourishes creativity

Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction

- contrary to popular belief, Aramaic is a living language

- we're prepared to fight for our beliefs

A religious conviction

- Christian beliefs

- I'm afraid to say belief has gone

- local beliefs and customs

Trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something

- a belief in democratic politics

- I've still got belief in myself

 

[Hyde Parke]

False, but nice try...

Rejecting an unfounded belief does not constitute a belief.

nice try at the smoke & mirrors act on posting definitions on belief, but failing to explain your own disbelief which is in question. now expound on your statement there^^^ what is the foundation for your rejection of said "unfounded belief"?

 

[Jonas.dini]

nice try at the smoke & mirrors act on posting definitions on belief, but failing to explain your own disbelief which is in question. now expound on your statement there^^^ what is the foundation for your rejection of said "unfounded belief"?

Explanation via reason is not the same as belief. Your mistake is conflating these concepts.

 

[Knives Amilli]

Where did you people get the idea that Atheism has some sort of belief system OR that atheists can be labeled by belief?

All atheism means is "I don't think a deity of any sorts exists". And to further clarify, when I say deity, I mean a "divine" form of life that is in tune/has control over the fundamental forces of the Universe and may have contributed to the conscious creation and shaping of natural/intangible/forces and aspects of said Universe; and thus is both our spiritual and physical creators worthy of worship and praise.

So, If I think Alien Unicorns from a technologically advanced society in a parallel universe accidentally unleashed nanobots that constructed the planets, stars, dark matter, and various objects of this Universe, Id still technically be an Atheist as I wouldn't think that divine beings worthy of worship consciously contributed to creating the Universe.

Just because a good portion of Atheists may subscribe to evolutionary and Big Bang theory as the true origins of the life and the Universe doesn't make these fundamental aspects of atheism.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Explanation via reason is not the same as belief. Your mistake is conflating these concepts.

keep tappin and dancing, lol. i got your type. you know better than to answer because you have no where else to go. explantions, reasons, principles, and just about every other idea floating around thru your head are nothing more than concepts "beliefs" you have about whatever, picked up from wherever, and adopted for whatever "reasons" you have, that are beliefs that you adopt to shape your identity. your mistake is not knowing any better that you are the believers bitch. your mistake is in not realizing you wouldnt exist without them.

 

[Jonas.dini]

"I don't think a deity of any sorts exists"

While I agree with the substance of your post I actually don't think this is the right definition. I think a better definition is to say "I reject belief in a deity" ... subtle difference but a critical one when arguing with theists

 

[Jonas.dini]

keep tappin and dancing, lol. i got your type. you know better than to answer because you have no where else to go. explantions, reasons, principles, and just about every other idea floating around thru your head are nothing more than concepts "beliefs" you have about whatever, picked up from wherever, and adopted for whatever "reasons" you have, that are beliefs that you adopt to shape your identity. your mistake is not knowing any better that you are the believers bitch. your mistake is in not realizing you wouldnt exist without them.

I'm not tapdancing, I just know how to differentiate the concepts. You clearly don't. Explanations, reasons, principles, are all differentiable concepts with different definitions, none of which are the same as "belief" ... subtlety and nuance aren't for everyone though, I know

 

[Jonas.dini]

bitch

Oh and btw:

 

[Hyde Parke]

I'm not tapdancing, I just know how to differentiate the concepts. You clearly don't. Explanations, reasons, principles, are all differentiable concepts with different definitions, none of which are the same as "belief" ... subtlety and nuance aren't for everyone though, I know

its official, your comprehension is off . Being able to identify differences of concepts does not lessen or remove the fact that it is still a concept, "idea" idea-conception, concept, opinion, "opinion"-belief; judgement, view. surely you have a "view" on your "idea" of there being no god, and surely that understanding was founded on some concept, which you've ducked and dodged out of explaining knowing that if you do, the jig is up, lol its all good, just dont get all worked up when others who see this point it out

Now i dont know if you are really this stupid or just playing the part, either way its not a good look

 

[Hyde Parke]

Oh and btw:

no, but taking the time to leave the thread, search for gif, then return to the thread, click on my response, pull out the one word that attracts you the most, clearly shows you feel some type of way about it, shrugs im all for self help when done correctly

 

[judahxulu]

It would be a profound waste of my time to respond to all this, so I'll just go with the bolded:

(1) You have a way with semantics, yet don't seem to understand that it does not follow from the existence of linguistic yin and yang that the two are logically equivalent, which in this case they are not.

(2) Yes, a forum for talking about religion, including the many ways in which its adherents reject logic.

(3) Sad and failed attempt at equivalency. The fools c/sing you want to believe this is true so bad... and you can tell the people you roll with whatever you want but you and I know what's goin on.

Far as going back and forth with passages from scripture, that would be, as I noted above, a profound waste of my time. But that should be neither here nor there since the crux of your original statement was to say that theism and religiosity are not one in the same.

1) yin and yang are not equivalent. another thing you choose to comment on that u know nothing of. i study the tao of all things. yin and yang are complementary opposites. besides your disbelief is still a belief in a manner of speaking- because YOU DONT KNOW IF THERE ISN'T A CREATOR. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PERCEIVE OR UNDERSTAND SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST AS AN ABSOLUTE. youre just guessing.

2.) i'm not rejecting logic. you have not produced any sound logic. but i will say that everything in reality is not logical anyway..but thats besides the point. this is your fallacious attempt to shrug away the actual point of paragraph that followed the sentence you chose to bold. oh that was worth a response but the rest was beneath you??? lol...u are extra transparent but unfortunately not at all lucid.

3.) another dodge, eh? well then let me elaborate further. you are stupid because you cannot see that your way of thinking does no more good than religion. prove me wrong.

i like how you ignored the rest of my post and played it off as a "waste of time" to respond when in reality i shattered your little egocentric conception that people of a spiritual nature can be easily bulldozed by your pseudo-intellectual atheist posturing.

you made a claim about scriptures. prove it. you atheists are fond of challenging one to prove existence of a god because that is an assertion right. you made a few unsubstantiated assertions and i'd like to see if maybe u can surprise me by being intelligent and brave enough to back up your claims or at least admit u dont know what the fuck youre talking about. im not into evangelizing so i dont personally care what u "disbelieve". but since we quoting pac---- 'you ain't gotta lie to kick it". u shouldn't have to make up shit about something u dont believe in.

 

[judahxulu]

Atheism isn't a belief, it is the rejection of a belief

a rejection of belief that requires rejection of something you cant prove or disprove by empirical means.

atheism=bizarro belief