Serious question: Where was Jay when this kinda shyt was dropping?

[Dr.Chemix]

Simple? Nigga, yo dumb ass is the one talking about empathy and I'm holding a discussion here.

You dumb ass nigga. The problem with niggas who think they smart is that they think no one else is smarter than them.

And its not stupid, you just think you know what the fuck you talking about. Ringtone era was valid then, is it still now? No nigga, cause shit changes you dumb fuck. That's what I was implying.

 

[international]

Simple? Nigga, yo dumb ass is the one talking about empathy and I'm holding a discussion here.

You dumb ass nigga. The problem with niggas who think they smart is that they think no one else is smarter than them.

And its not stupid, you just think you know what the fuck you talking about. Ringtone era was valid then, is it still now? No nigga, cause shit changes you dumb fuck. That's what I was implying.

Rofl I Never mentioned empathy nor alluded to it, lmaooo...go down to your nearest library and reach for the dictionary you dumb ass, you demonstrating that you clearly don't know what the word 'emphasis' is...smh

You were implying that they weren't competing on level playing fields but they obviously were cuz Jay dropped albums in 2007 and 2009 and Weezy dropped in 2008 and 2011 and was still able to manage those numbers while Jay was not, what is so difficult to understand about that?smh...

Someone else have a go in breaking this shyt down for this dummy, smh...

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Nigga you are dumb as fuck, we were comparing HKL to Carter you stupid fuck! And that came out in 2000 you tomato brained nigga!!

I don't need the explaining but you obviously one of those retarded niggas who need a tutor to read posts and help you sound out vowels

dumb nigga

 

[coolc31]

I'm just confused how Jay can be considered a legend to the majority of the dudes that are rappers or truly have a job dealing with hip hop in some aspect, but according to some cats on a website, he's not a legend. You don't have to like a person to admit their status in the game. I'm not an Eminem fan, but dude is & always will be considered a legend regardless of what any of us think about him or his music....same with Big & Pac

 

[almighty breeze]

Lil Wayne's record sales are a nonfactor

Why?: When Carter 4 sold more than Watch The Throne & Wayne stans were partying in the street or for any other matter when Wayne's record sales are mentioned this must be said

When Rick Ross Jay-Z (in this case):

Starts wearing Womens clothing

kissing men

Completely changes the direction of his music for white middle class teens & 106th

Makes a rock album in a desperate attempt to prove how "different" he is

Makes songs like "How To Love" " Prom Queen" "Lollipop" or 'Let It Rock"

Jump on & abuse any & every trend as a 30 year old man to appeal to pre teens

Becomes a blood when convenient,than a trapstar DBoy, then an alien, uses autotune, then a skateboarder, then w/e is he now for attention.

and DON'T sell a mill or close to it their first week. Then and only then can this be a conversation.

Posted on Jan 8th. Replace Rick Ross with Jay-Z

Now consider- In 2007 Jay-Z removed his album from being sold on itunes until or unless it couldnt be sold as individual tracks b/c he wanted it heard & purchased as one unit & not loose songs b/c of the way he recorded it. If you need me to explain how that is damaging to sales you need to take a math logic course

2ndly WTT was released exclusively on itunes its first week.at the earliest it physically hit shelves that thursday & i think that was exclusively with Best Buy. Once again,this shouldnt be hard to figure out how it decreases sales

As commerical as Jay-Z was labeled he never ever made a song like those. his most "commercial" singles are Bonnie & Clyde & Change Clothes

Now place your exaggeration of Jay jumping on trends b/c he was never that hot or w/e nonsense argument you got stored below

 

[Pervis]

I'm just confused how Jay can be considered a legend to the majority of the dudes that are rappers or truly have a job dealing with hip hop in some aspect, but according to some cats on a website, he's not a legend. You don't have to like a person to admit their status in the game. I'm not an Eminem fan, but dude is & always will be considered a legend regardless of what any of us think about him or his music....same with Big & Pac

considered a legend to who though?

mostly whites. he's their hero.

but to everyone else eminem is considered a joke and the rap version of elvis

 

[B_A]

 

[peterpiffin]

Possibly laying the foundation for Reasonable Doubt and forming Roc-A-Fella with Dame and Biggs.

He didn't partake in the greatest era of hip hop, he did not compete! He can and should not be compared nor take place alongside a Nas or a Pac, and thats real!

are u trying to sound stupid is this shit natural??

 

[mc317]

http://youtu.be/_XPZSbdyPKk

At the times these vids are being made hes supposedly a kingpin get the fuck outta here fake kilo willyisms

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Damn, reading the early pages I had something to say but chemix and international argumentwas so funny I forgot what the hell I was going to say. Ill be back later smh

 

[international]

http://youtu.be/_XPZSbdyPKk

At the times these vids are being made hes supposedly a kingpin get the fuck outta here fake kilo willyisms

lmaoooo, thanks for bringing that to my attention, fo real tho....rofl, i remember that nigga said that he was still spending money from 88, rofl...its clear to see where that moeny came from and that he evidently is just another lyin ass rapper, rofl...

 

[freshb651]

http://youtu.be/_XPZSbdyPKk

At the times these vids are being made hes supposedly a kingpin get the fuck outta here fake kilo willyisms

LOL LOL LOL

 

[international]

^^^^^ I'm waiting on someone to address this shyt????

Oh, or are yall goin to claim that is how he got the funding for videos and studio time...rofl

 

[mrclassick]

Possibly laying the foundation for Reasonable Doubt and forming Roc-A-Fella with Dame and Biggs.

He didn't partake in the greatest era of hip hop, he did not compete! He can and should not be compared nor take place alongside a Nas or a Pac, and thats real!

Tell me when the greatest era of hip hop happened ?

 

[international]

Possibly laying the foundation for Reasonable Doubt and forming Roc-A-Fella with Dame and Biggs.

He didn't partake in the greatest era of hip hop, he did not compete! He can and should not be compared nor take place alongside a Nas or a Pac, and thats real!

Tell me when the greatest era of hip hop happened ?

Re-read the thread...

 

[mrclassick]

It's about opportunity and while he wasn't signed yet, he was making noise in the mainstream. He was doing collabos with Big Daddy Kane, Mic Geronimo, Big L etc before he popped.

he wasn't nowhere near the forefront and he was older than the niggaz that were running rap in its greatest era, and was never able to knock down them doors until that era came to an end...

HE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPETE/SURVIVE, his shyt wasnt good enough!

Yo son, Why are you trying to tear down someone who made it and helps and others and do positive things for others, You're stating your dislikes not facts, You're hating, And the sad thing is you don't think that your hating because hate is in your blood, It's all good to have an opinion, But every time someone gives props to HOV, You come back with more stronger fabricated statements bordering on unintelligent, Let me sum it up, If he's A fraud he'll pay the price, Let that be between him & God.

 

[international]

It's about opportunity and while he wasn't signed yet, he was making noise in the mainstream. He was doing collabos with Big Daddy Kane, Mic Geronimo, Big L etc before he popped.

he wasn't nowhere near the forefront and he was older than the niggaz that were running rap in its greatest era, and was never able to knock down them doors until that era came to an end...

HE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPETE/SURVIVE, his shyt wasnt good enough!

Yo son, Why are you trying to tear down someone who made it and helps and others and do positive things for others, You're stating your dislikes not facts, You're hating, And the sad thing is you don't think that your hating because hate is in your blood, It's all good to have an opinion, But every time someone gives props to HOV, You come back with more stronger fabricated statements bordering on unintelligent, Let me sum it up, If he's A fraud he'll pay the price, Let that be between him & God.

huh? who said anything about him being a fraud in that quote...and how am I hating when I am stating facts, you catchin feelins?...

The thread is very clear, where was his when them vids was droppin? You seem completely out of touch with the thread premise and just talking outta ya ass, go re-read the thread and inform yourself, not going to be responding nor indulging in bs that don't coincide with the thread.

 

[usmarin3]

http://youtu.be/_XPZSbdyPKk

At the times these vids are being made hes supposedly a kingpin get the fuck outta here fake kilo willyisms

And where do you think all that jewelry in the videos came from, it damn sure wasn't from Jazo's record sales. You niggas is dense if you don't think niggas can't multi-task.

Look at Kareem Biggs Burke (Rocafella partner), this niggas was a exec at Rocafella and pushing 100's of pounds of weed on the side.

 

[runningwolf1980]

man fuck nas and his multiple personality disorder having ass

 

[antoseeg]

The competition some people are speaking of does not exist. The rap music industry is not setup like a winner take all bloodsport. The rap music industry is driven by consumers, not competition between individual rappers. That's why a guy like Lil Wayne can call himself the best rapper alive and be embraced by fans, even though there are not many people on this forum that consider him to be the best.

Jay-Z was not big during the during the early and mid 90's, because he hadn't done what was necessary to become big. That's it, plain and simple. Towards the end of the 90's, Jay-Z stopped following the style of Jaz-O, he switched his flow, he switched his production team, he increased his marketing budget, and he learned how to make songs that appealed to a mass fanbase. If Jay-Z's next two albums after his debut would of been Reasonable Doubt 2 and 3, instead of The Life and Times Of Shawn Carter Vol 1 and 2, he would not be as big as he is now. He changed, so the results he got changed.

The majority of music fans, don't just download, or buy, only 1 CD year. They get multiple CD's. So one rapper's success, cannot stifle the success of another rapper if the other rapper is making music that fans like. For instance: East 1999, by Bone Thugs n Harmony, was released in July of 1995, but it wasn't hugely successfully in 1995. East 1999, became a huge album in 1996 when they released the single "Crossroads". Crossroads was released in March, a month after Tupac dropped "All Eyez On Me". And records show, that "All Eyez On Me" did nothing to stop the momentum of East 1999.