Serious question: Where was Jay when this kinda shyt was dropping?

[Jeru the Damaja]

The good ol' days when he was an underground rapper.

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I don't understand the significance. When it's your time it's your time obviously then it wasn't his time. When he finally hit the scene he made the most of it. Same with Em, DMX, 50 shit anybody. It's what you do with it when you finally get your shot. I don't think Pac's and Big's death had anything to do with Jay blowing up. It just happened to be something happened. Yall niggas make it sound like their deaths came from the result of Jay dropping RD. if that's the case yall give Jay too much power.

rofl, the fuck you get that from? go and read again cuz you clearly clueless.

maybe because I wasn't referring to you. insecure niggas always think shit aimed at them

 

[bigrizz]

Jay is only a legend due to the money hes made, BP3 was a shit sandwich and he had to get kanye to carry an album...Hes larry holmes status. Nas' music actually has meaning to it and dudes flow has only gotten better with age....He still hasnt compromised his artistic integrity by jumping on the hottest niggas nuts, He does give the younger Mcs respect though

 

[international]

Jay is only a legend due to the money hes made, BP3 was a shit sandwich and he had to get kanye to carry an album...Hes larry holmes status. Nas' music actually has meaning to it and dudes flow has only gotten better with age....He still hasnt compromised his artistic integrity by jumping on the hottest niggas nuts, He does give the younger Mcs respect though

I do agree with most of the shyt you said, i don't know about the Larry Holmes shyt tho, he too successful to be seen that way.

Btw, it kills me tho when ppl tryna act like Kanye is the one dragging him down, hell nah...Watch the Throne is the album it is becuz of Kanye, and before that album came out Kanye came out with my BDTF and shyt was a pure hiphop album, a great effort by Kanye, so those are Kanye 2 last projects, wtf does Jay come with BP3, fo real? Shyt was garbo, no Kanye there...starting to see a pattern, so should yall...

 

[Lab Baby]

Jay is only a legend due to the money hes made, BP3 was a shit sandwich and he had to get kanye to carry an album...Hes larry holmes status. Nas' music actually has meaning to it and dudes flow has only gotten better with age....He still hasnt compromised his artistic integrity by jumping on the hottest niggas nuts, He does give the younger Mcs respect though

I do agree with most of the shyt you said, i don't know about the Larry Holmes shyt tho, he too successful to be seen that way.

Btw, it kills me tho when ppl tryna act like Kanye is the one dragging him down, hell nah...Watch the Throne is the album it is becuz of Kanye, and before that album came out Kanye came out with my BDTF and shyt was a pure hiphop album, a great effort by Kanye, so those are Kanye 2 last projects, wtf does Jay come with BP3, fo real? Shyt was garbo, no Kanye there...starting to see a pattern, so should yall...

Actually, Kanye produced most of that album, and had 2 guest verses on it. And ironically, the album with no Kanye production (AG) was his best post retirement album. But yeah, Kanye is on a creative run that Jay just can't catch on with himself.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Thread starter been trolling hard the last few days.

 

[international]

Thread starter been trolling hard the last few days.

Trolling how? By making good points and arguments that forces one to actually have to think in order to debate?

Foh wit yo ol lets all agree that my fav rapper is the GOAT just because...smh

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

Niggaz going to be making Nas v Jay threads on 2020

 

[usmarin3]

It took a Annie Sample to make Jay-z cross over...

False, Can i get a was the song what crossed over. Songs like Money ain't a thing, What's my name, and Annie only compounded his buzz.

You serious, money? "Hard Knock Life" was the record that really really crossed over. That famous Annie sample is what did it, especially for white people.

Can I Get A.. got over too but not as much. It mostly crossed over due to it being featured on the Rush Hour sdtk.

Hard Knock Life peaked at number 15 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, Can i Get A peaked at number 19 but Can I Get A came out first. Jay-z was already crossing over before Hard Knock Life dropped. Money Ain't a Thing also had him buzzing way before HKL dropped.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

 

[ohhhla]

It took a Annie Sample to make Jay-z cross over...

False, Can i get a was the song what crossed over. Songs like Money ain't a thing, What's my name, and Annie only compounded his buzz.

You serious, money? "Hard Knock Life" was the record that really really crossed over. That famous Annie sample is what did it, especially for white people.

Can I Get A.. got over too but not as much. It mostly crossed over due to it being featured on the Rush Hour sdtk.

Hard Knock Life peaked at number 15 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, Can i Get A peaked at number 19 but Can I Get A came out first. Jay-z was already crossing over before Hard Knock Life dropped. Money Ain't a Thing also had him buzzing way before HKL dropped.

TRUTH

 

[international]

It took a Annie Sample to make Jay-z cross over...

False, Can i get a was the song what crossed over. Songs like Money ain't a thing, What's my name, and Annie only compounded his buzz.

You serious, money? "Hard Knock Life" was the record that really really crossed over. That famous Annie sample is what did it, especially for white people.

Can I Get A.. got over too but not as much. It mostly crossed over due to it being featured on the Rush Hour sdtk.

Hard Knock Life peaked at number 15 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, Can i Get A peaked at number 19 but Can I Get A came out first. Jay-z was already crossing over before Hard Knock Life dropped. Money Ain't a Thing also had him buzzing way before HKL dropped.

Buzzing and crossing over are 2 different things tho...you can't be serious with Can I Get A that shyt was mad urban, so was money ain't a thing, like an urban semi hit, HKL was on some different shyt, he got the mainstream appeal and co-sign with that one, think he even got a grammy for it to, maybe his 1st.

 

[tompetrez3]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

 

[DMTxTHC]

C3 and C4 is trash though..

 

[international]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

To be real, Jay never pulled any numbers like that, and if your case is the year, Im sure Jay dropped albums in those years or close to and never did those numbers...

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

To be real, Jay never pulled any numbers like that, and if your case is the year, Im sure Jay dropped albums in those years or close to and never did those numbers...

My argument includes several viewpoints to be considered.

You have so many different ways to buy an album now then you did back then. Especially with itunes incentive to buy from them with exclusive tracks unreleased anywhere else

Plus you have to look at the economical standpoint.

20 bones today is not worth the same as 20 bones back then.

Plus the game today is more so a blending of all regions which also is a factor in sales. Music wasn't as "universal" as it was then.

Lil Wayne success is derived more so towards the inclusion of more white fans listening to rap than say when Jigga was doing his thing. And that's double the money right there.

 

[international]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

To be real, Jay never pulled any numbers like that, and if your case is the year, Im sure Jay dropped albums in those years or close to and never did those numbers...

My argument includes several viewpoints to be considered.

You have so many different ways to buy an album now then you did back then. Especially with itunes incentive to buy from them with exclusive tracks unreleased anywhere else

Plus you have to look at the economical standpoint.

20 bones today is not worth the same as 20 bones back then.

Plus the game today is more so a blending of all regions which also is a factor in sales. Music wasn't as "universal" as it was then.

Lil Wayne success is derived more so towards the inclusion of more white fans listening to rap than say when Jigga was doing his thing. And that's double the money right there.

All that's irrelevant, because your choosing to emphasize on the context which obviously has an influence on the market, but the problem with that is AG came out in 2007 and BP3 came out in 2009...Wayne dropped in 2008 The Carter 3 that did over a mil in a week (thats obviously in between Jay droppin his albums) and then later on dropped The Carter 4 in 2011 and it did the same numbers, over a milli in the first wee... so your argument is clearly invalid.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

To be real, Jay never pulled any numbers like that, and if your case is the year, Im sure Jay dropped albums in those years or close to and never did those numbers...

My argument includes several viewpoints to be considered.

You have so many different ways to buy an album now then you did back then. Especially with itunes incentive to buy from them with exclusive tracks unreleased anywhere else

Plus you have to look at the economical standpoint.

20 bones today is not worth the same as 20 bones back then.

Plus the game today is more so a blending of all regions which also is a factor in sales. Music wasn't as "universal" as it was then.

Lil Wayne success is derived more so towards the inclusion of more white fans listening to rap than say when Jigga was doing his thing. And that's double the money right there.

All that's irrelevant, because your choosing to emphasize on the context which obviously has an influence on the market, but the problem with that is AG came out in 2007 and BP3 came out in 2009...Wayne dropped in 2008 The Carter 3 that did over a mil in a week (thats obviously in between Jay droppin his albums) and then later on dropped The Carter 4 in 2011 and it did the same numbers, over a milli in the first wee... so your argument is clearly invalid.

nigga, you going to have me talk to you stupid. It has nothing to do with empathy and we were talking about HKL compared to The Carter, nigga. Now you talking about BP3 n shit. Stick to the script, word to jigga...

 

[international]

Jigga warriors can never tell me why he never sold a million in one week like Wayne did in 2008 and 2011.

You can't be serious. Units moved differently back then and you trying to compare the two? Doesn't make sense chico.

To be real, Jay never pulled any numbers like that, and if your case is the year, Im sure Jay dropped albums in those years or close to and never did those numbers...

My argument includes several viewpoints to be considered.

You have so many different ways to buy an album now then you did back then. Especially with itunes incentive to buy from them with exclusive tracks unreleased anywhere else

Plus you have to look at the economical standpoint.

20 bones today is not worth the same as 20 bones back then.

Plus the game today is more so a blending of all regions which also is a factor in sales. Music wasn't as "universal" as it was then.

Lil Wayne success is derived more so towards the inclusion of more white fans listening to rap than say when Jigga was doing his thing. And that's double the money right there.

All that's irrelevant, because your choosing to emphasize on the context which obviously has an influence on the market, but the problem with that is AG came out in 2007 and BP3 came out in 2009...Wayne dropped in 2008 The Carter 3 that did over a mil in a week (thats obviously in between Jay droppin his albums) and then later on dropped The Carter 4 in 2011 and it did the same numbers, over a milli in the first wee... so your argument is clearly invalid.

nigga, you going to have me talk to you stupid. It has nothing to do with empathy and we were talking about HKL compared to The Carter, nigga. Now you talking about BP3 n shit. Stick to the script, word to jigga...

Rofl@ your simple ass, and the nerve of you ever talking down to me, when no one said shyt about empathy, i said 'emphasize' and no they are not the same thing, lmaooo...

Your argument was how the music market was structured then as opposed to now, and the point is stupid that jay dropped albums in 2007 and 2009, and thats more or less today's market...to make it more simple for ya, Wayne dropped in 2008 in between that, and did over a mil in his first week and then repeated those numbers again in 2011, so your argument of talking about the market back then is invalid becuz he has put shyt out in the same market that Wayne has, and still wayne did those numbers and he wasn't able to.