Romans 1:24-32

[Bodhi]

I see you're stuck on the hopes of me being possibly gay, that's cool, keep thinking bruh

he probably wants you to be gay so he can send you a PM

 

[VIBE]

In the mammal sense, sure. lol dodging those questions at all costs.

That's your answer? lol you just made a moral judgment. what part of humans making moral judgments has to do with animals? (watch how this won't be answered)

Most animals (besides us) have morals to some degree, we can just elaborate further on what they are because we are an intelligent species.

You're going to tell me now that morals aren't in animals?

 

[VIBE]

isn't the person themselves making a judgment when objecting to the Bible's judgment against homosexuality? Bible says it's unnatural and sinful. Man says it's normal. Two diff judgments. So what makes your judgment right? Or even neutral? What standard are you going by? You trying to say its okay to use nature or animals as a standard for judging human behavior simultaneously implying that animals >>>human beings? Smh

I'll answer your questions since you get up-tight.

1. Yes.

2. The bible doesn't say that, men did. They preached against man on man homosexuality and there's only one verse that applies to lesbians. So it's clear, as we straight men think, a man on a man is a no-no but woman on woman is good.

3. It is normal within nature, so therefore anything that happens in nature is normal. Is murder normal in nature? Sure. Dolphins and Killer Whales kill for fun. Lions do too. Murder is normal as well, because it keeps populations in check.

4. My judgement is right and is by the standard of nature. Observe it.

5. We are animals and we are >>>> than any other. We are the top predators.

 

[Rock_Well]

what part of humans making moral judgments has to do with animals? (watch how this won't be answered)

The observance and study of homosexuality in lesser animals has proven that homosexuality begins in the brain, is a part of animal psychology and is not so much a moral judgement.

Look back over the posts. I asked @VIBE what standard was he using to make the moral judgement against the statement in the Bible. Then asked if the standard he was using was animals and nature, which would imply animals>>>humans. His response, 'Humans are animals'. (Implying that human can use animal behavior as an objective standard of judgment concerning human behavior)

The problem is, as you just said, animals don't make moral judgments. But when a person draws a conclusion contrary to that in the Bible regarding what it says on moral issues like homosexuality being unnatural, sinful, and rightly punishable, that person is making a moral judgment. So what does that have to do with animals. The Bible says Genesis 2:20 "So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found." The Bible says that of all the beasts of the field and all the birds and live stock, none was comparable to him. Why do you think it says that? Would you say humans are comparable to animals even considering that animals can't read?

 

[VIBE]

We are confined to animalistic traits because we are animals. We do as animals do but we are so much greater than them because we have evolved into intelligent beings. Just because we can think more intelligently and do things other animals can't do doesn't make us any less of an animal.

 

[Rock_Well]

In the mammal sense, sure. lol dodging those questions at all costs.

That's your answer? lol you just made a moral judgment. what part of humans making moral judgments has to do with animals? (watch how this won't be answered)

Most animals (besides us) have morals to some degree, we can just elaborate further on what they are because we are an intelligent species.

You're going to tell me now that morals aren't in animals?

Depends on what aspect of morality you talking about. Genesis 2:20 makes the point that Adam found no helper comparable to him. So, no animals are not comparable to humans, especially when it comes to spirituality.

 

[Rock_Well]

2. The bible doesn't say that, men did. They preached against man on man homosexuality and there's only one verse that applies to lesbians. So it's clear, as we straight men think, a man on a man is a no-no but woman on woman is good.

You accept that the writers were men, but not that the writings came from God which all the writers agree? Based on what? You used a double-standard here.

It is normal within nature, so therefore anything that happens in nature is normal. Is murder normal in nature? Sure. Dolphins and Killer Whales kill for fun. Lions do too. Murder is normal as well, because it keeps populations in check.

you used a double-standard here.

What makes it murder in the case of animals normal, and is it the same in the case of humans? When humans murder other humans over colors, what about that is normal?

4. My judgement is right and is by the standard of nature. Observe it.

so you've always told the truth when you speak?

5. We are animals and we are >>>> than any other. We are the top predators.

so you say

 

[Bodhi]

what part of humans making moral judgments has to do with animals? (watch how this won't be answered)

The observance and study of homosexuality in lesser animals has proven that homosexuality begins in the brain, is a part of animal psychology and is not so much a moral judgement.

Look back over the posts. I asked @VIBE what standard was he using to make the moral judgement against the statement in the Bible. Then asked if the standard he was using was animals and nature, which would imply animals>>>humans. His response, 'Humans are animals'. (Implying that human can use animal behavior as an objective standard of judgment concerning human behavior)

The problem is, as you just said, animals don't make moral judgments. But when a person draws a conclusion contrary to that in the Bible regarding what it says on moral issues like homosexuality being unnatural, sinful, and rightly punishable, that person is making a moral judgment. So what does that have to do with animals. The Bible says Genesis 2:20 "So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found." The Bible says that of all the beasts of the field and all the birds and live stock, none was comparable to him. Why do you think it says that? Would you say humans are comparable to animals even considering that animals can't read?

Animals can and do make moral decisions. Humans are animals so human behavior is animal behavior, just like polar bear behavior is animal behavior, only some types of behaviors are exclusive to that particular species. The Bible shows its lack of understanding human and animal psychology when claiming that homosexuality is "sinful" and punishable. We may be greater than other animals in certain areas, as they are greater than us in others but regardless, homosexuality is observable not only in human beings but other animal species as well. It has nothing to do with moral decisions and moral judgements. Some animal brains just happen to be wired that way. Why would the Bible say that homosexuals should be punished when now that we know some humans are born to be that way? Could we not conclude that it is God's intention to create them with the possibility of being homosexual?

 

[Bodhi]

What makes it murder in the case of animals normal, and is it the same in the case of humans? When humans murder other humans over colors, what about that is normal?

Good and evil do not exist in nature. Societies create the ideas of good and evil. Whatever preserves the being of that particular society is deemed as "good". What is destructive is "evil".

What is the purpose of murder?

 

[VIBE]

Reasoning m

2. The bible doesn't say that, men did. They preached against man on man homosexuality and there's only one verse that applies to lesbians. So it's clear, as we straight men think, a man on a man is a no-no but woman on woman is good.

You accept that the writers were men, but not that the writings came from God which all the writers agree? Based on what? You used a double-standard here.

It is normal within nature, so therefore anything that happens in nature is normal. Is murder normal in nature? Sure. Dolphins and Killer Whales kill for fun. Lions do too. Murder is normal as well, because it keeps populations in check.

you used a double-standard here.

What makes it murder in the case of animals normal, and is it the same in the case of humans? When humans murder other humans over colors, what about that is normal?

4. My judgement is right and is by the standard of nature. Observe it.

so you've always told the truth when you speak?

5. We are animals and we are >>>> than any other. We are the top predators.

so you say

1. All the writers were men, yes. None of the writings came from god, where is this at? God never asked for a bible to be written, their "god" interacted with THEM, they wrote their bible based on word-of-mouth and not an actual day-by-day journal. So based on the bible, they themselves took it up to write this down, god asked/did nothing.

2. Murder is natural based on animalistic instinct; the simple "survive" kicks in. It doesn't matter the situation, such as colors or other shit. We are animals who kill to survive, to show dominance, to show who the "king" is. The animal kingdom, such as loins, showcase this. So whether it's non-human animals or humans, murder is all the same overall. Sure there's different situations and whatnot but to get extremely technical is silly.

3. I have no clue why you ask this, but of course not, we are all liars.

4. Not so "I say", but so does science and biologist, so do anthropologist. You're silly to ignore their evidence.

 

[jono]

Christians are hilarious. Look Jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone"...doesn't that pretty much end all discussions on judging sinners? That was supposedly JESUS talking. Your messiah, your savior, his actual words...so why do you look to Paul (a follower) for validation? You were already told!!

The bible isn't like a situation where mom says no and then you go ask dad to see if he can override it. Its already said in the gospels what Jesus wanted Christians (his followers) to do.

 

[waterproof]

Christians are hilarious. Look Jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone"...doesn't that pretty much end all discussions on judging sinners? That was supposedly JESUS talking. Your messiah, your savior, his actual words...so why do you look to Paul (a follower) for validation? You were already told!!

The bible isn't like a situation where mom says no and then you go ask dad to see if he can override it. Its already said in the gospels what Jesus wanted Christians (his followers) to do.

@jono you do know that Yahushua was talking to the serpent seeds the Pharisee's and Sadduces who wanted to kill a Hebrew women who was accused of commiting adultery, for one the Pharisee's and Sadduces who sit on Moses seat was not Hebrews for scriptures speak of that.

and 2nd Hebrew have a set of laws of that they go by that contains how Fellow Hebrews treat other Hebrews and in those laws contain the Judical laws that handle disputes and Yah set Judges to hold court and Judge those who have been accused of a crime or handle disputes.

Exodus 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear Elohim, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

18:22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.

18:23 If thou shalt do this thing, and Elohim command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.

18:24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.

18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

18:26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.

Now if you know scripture there was no more Judges of Israel the time of the Messiyah, did the woman who the pharisee's said committed adultery did she know the man was married, was she force or was she raped, did she knowingly know? we dont know for scripture didn't say, all it was said that she was caught in the very act, but how in the hell do the serpent seeds want to stone a hebrew woman when they are not hebrew and 2nd who are they to set judgement of the women when Israel have a judical procedure for crimes commited by hebrews. Since Moses and the Judges of israel is not around then the women can not be stoned because she can not have a proper hearing and trial. For she will be judge if she haven't repent by the Most High when they will meet, that's why Yahushua told her sin no more because if she sin no more knowingly she repented

YAHUSHUA is the walking TORAH and know the wickedness of the Pharisee's and Sadducee's they tried to trap the Master Teacher and he showed how stupid and wicked they are for they do not know the law because the law is not in their heart, and they do not know the culture and way of life of the hebrews