reasons to give up meat

[Chike]

i wasn't saying anything about you, specifically. generally, if you don't eat meat because you proclaim health reasons in disdain to animal flesh eaters (such as myself), then, yes it is hypocritical if you smoke weed. i find that many vegans who speak to me in harsh judgment because i want to eat a cow or pig or deer or whatever, tend to be weed smokers. smoke of any kind is not good for your lungs. perhaps you should stick to brownies or thc pills.

Weed smoke is more harmless than taking a deep breath in any major city in the world. It's not hypocritical at all. I mean if you got any records of people dying from smoking weed, let's see them.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

i wasn't saying anything about you, specifically. generally, if you don't eat meat because you proclaim health reasons in disdain to animal flesh eaters (such as myself), then, yes it is hypocritical if you smoke weed. i find that many vegans who speak to me in harsh judgment because i want to eat a cow or pig or deer or whatever, tend to be weed smokers. smoke of any kind is not good for your lungs. perhaps you should stick to brownies or thc pills.

screw the health reasons lol. die if you want to die or whatever, but, it simply is not very proficient to waste entire fields to feeding animals who then take up more farming fields. if both of those fields were filled with vegetables, then production would double and more people could be fed. also its much faster than wasting time waiting for the animals to grow up so that we can eat them. i dont care if you eat meat, but the only defense you have for eating it is that it tastes good which is a fine one, but sacrifice all that time and money in order to eat something that tastes good? and because it takes so long for animals to grow or whatever, all the focus goes to growth hormones or whatever. id talk about the breaking of beaks and the Judas cow in slaughter houses, but thats not really neccessary. when something is not efficient, time and money and even work wise, then why the heck should we do it? because it tastes good and protein? you can get protein from multiple sources, meat is just lazy. but i eat it as well, so i dont care if you do, just know what we are doing

 

[elliott_argon]

Weed smoke is more harmless than taking a deep breath in any major city in the world. It's not hypocritical at all. I mean if you got any records of people dying from smoking weed, let's see them.

here's what "they" have to say about marijuana's effects on the lungs. (drugabuse.gov) of course, white people are evil and the government is out to get us all, but, anyway:

"Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

aside from this, its just common sense that smoke doesn't belong in your lungs. why do you think it makes you cough? why do you think it burns? you know your body has built it security to let you know what's good for business and what bad for business. hey bro, i'm not telling anyone not to smoke weed, even if there are other ways to get to the thc. i was just pointing out the hypocrisy in ridiculing someone for eating meat by stating health reasons and then advocating smoking.

screw the health reasons lol. die if you want to die or whatever, but, it simply is not very proficient to waste entire fields to feeding animals who then take up more farming fields. if both of those fields were filled with vegetables, then production would double and more people could be fed. also its much faster than wasting time waiting for the animals to grow up so that we can eat them. i dont care if you eat meat, but the only defense you have for eating it is that it tastes good which is a fine one, but sacrifice all that time and money in order to eat something that tastes good? and because it takes so long for animals to grow or whatever, all the focus goes to growth hormones or whatever. id talk about the breaking of beaks and the Judas cow in slaughter houses, but thats not really neccessary. when something is not efficient, time and money and even work wise, then why the heck should we do it? because it tastes good and protein? you can get protein from multiple sources, meat is just lazy. but i eat it as well, so i dont care if you do, just know what we are doing

i agree with you that the way we mass produce meat in this country is horrid. i do try to eat organic and free roaming and all that when i can. the biggest issue with keeping a nice sized stock of responsible food is the cost. hopefully my bank account will be bigger by the time i have kids, so at least they won't have to be participants in the bad meat cycle.

 

[And Step]

The Human Beings digestive system is not like a carnivores.

Peep

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

 

[VIBE]

carne asada is super good, just had some last night.

 

[theillestrator]

what about omnivorous animals?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

#1 Murder,ari (karma) is a motha Nope. Murder is defined as an unlawful killing. Apex predators feeding on prey is pretty much the definition of a natural law. who defines murder and natural law for you?



all animal corpses are contaminated and bacteria infested So, bacteria is on everything. Plants are bacteria infested too. At least you cook all meat. And cooking is a good thing?

cooking flesh speeds up the putrefacation process and dehydrates the meat. Its the putrefied decayed flesh,blood,waste and pus that gives meat its delicious taste.

This is meaningless. Anything sounds bad when you misrepresent it. However, cooking food and the natural decayiing process are very different what am I misrepresenting?

natural meat eaters eat flesh raw What's your point? Humans are the only animals to cook food, vegetable and meat alike. does that make it natural?

meat eating increases the workload of the liver and kidneys Might as well get the most of them while they work. OKAYYY

meat is high in nitrogen compounds that are metabolised into uric acid ,our bodies lack the digestive enzyme uricase

to break this acid down which ends up being deposited in our tissues if we eat more than a few ounces of meat a day.

I'm pretty sure this is a misrepresentation too. Our bodies naturally flush uric acid. That's why piss is called urine. Are you Sure about this?

animals secrete adrenaline into their bodies as a REaction to the Fear caused by the slaughter. And...

The adrenaline poisons flesh,creates toxins and becomes Khemical stress when eaten, causing dis-ease This is some hippie BS, not actual scientific fact. Classic

1) a. the dictionary, from Websters, murder - the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought b. common sense, unless you believe all those lion, crocodiles, and sharks out there killing other animals to survive are disobeying some natural law.

2) Yes, cooking is a good thing. Last time I checked vegetarians and vegans cook too. Ya'll don't just eat salads and celery sticks all day everyday.

3) Cooking denatures proteins, simple as that. Saying that it's the same as carrion decomposing is an attempt to sensationalize the process. Cooking and decomposition are nowhere near as similar as your suggesting. Not to mention that the pus and blood and all that stuff you mentioned drains out of the meat when it's cooked. If you've so much as seen a hamburger on a skillet, you'd know that.

4) Yes, cooking is natural. Fire exists in nature and humans found a way to utilize it. It's no different than any other tool. Yes, humans are the only animals to do it, but humans are the only animals to do a lot of things, that's what happens when have capabilities beyond any other living thing on the planet. However, to attack what you said from a different angle, people don't need to cook meat to eat it. Sushi is extremely popular and contains raw meat. Raw ground beef is a delicacy in Germany. Most of the disease that comes from eating undercooked meat isn't a product of the meat itself but of the conditions the meat is put through. E. Coli is a good example.

5) Ok, that one I wasn't real serious about. However, there was nothing to really substantiate your claim, so I don't really have a response for it.

6) I'm sure there are conditions that can lead to excess uric acid. However, to say that eating meat automatically leads to a buildup of uric acid in the tissues is a misrepresentation. Not only that, but classifying uric acid as being bad is also a representation as uric acid is an antioxidant and there are diseases such as MS that are linked to lower than normal levels of uric acid in the body.

Like I said before, if you give up meat for your own health, I can't hate on that. You probably will be healthier than savages like me. However, vegetarians/vegans need to learn how to make that choice for themselves and not twist facts or overstate things in order to try and convert others. It's not that serious. If you don't like meat don't eat it. If you like meat, dig in.

 

[getchamoneyrigh]

i will continue to eat meat and put these canines to use. certain meats I do avoid, but you can't be sure how safe fruits and vegetables are either nowadays. i have no problem with people who go vegan/vegetarian. that's your right, but there are far more things to worry about than meat. So I worry about neither. And it's not really god working in mysterious ways, it just depends on who you are. Now if you eat grease sandwiches everyday and don't take care of yourself, then obviously shit won't be good for you later. But some people are just born with "better bodies." Some are susceptible to certain diseases while others aren't. That's just life. Either way, if you don't eat meat...more power to you.

Fruits and Veggies are unsafe because of the cow shit.

Not related to qoute. Health benefits of not eating meat are great, but the biggest reason I changed is the mass production and slaughter of the animals. I mean these are living things, they have some sort of brain activity. I think it is just wrong what they do, and my willpower is strong enough not to choose some chicken wings (love those) or steak (love that) just cause something tastes good.

 

[theillestrator]

Fruits and Veggies are unsafe because of the cow shit.

Not related to qoute. Health benefits of not eating meat are great, but the biggest reason I changed is the mass production and slaughter of the animals. I mean these are living things, they have some sort of brain activity. I think it is just wrong what they do, and my willpower is strong enough not to choose some chicken wings (love those) or steak (love that) just cause something tastes good.

I highly respect that. I saw a brochure that was pretty disturbing. I do avoid certain meats/meat providers.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Human Beings digestive system is not like a carnivores.

Peep

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Lists like this are stupid. For one thing, they are way too general as I'll show. For another thing, they assume that all animals are either carnivores or herbivores, when in reality quite a few species are omnivorous.

1) Chimps don't have claws, but yet they've been witnessed eating monkeys. In fact, while most primates feed primarily on vegetation, many of them have been seen eating insects and/or limited meat from time to time. On the flip side, squirrels are strict herbivores yet they do have claws. So claws as an indicator of what can and can't eat meat is not very good.

2) Using sweat glands as a way to prove what eats what? That's dumb. Anyway, lots of mammals don't sweat in a way that regulates body temperature the way humans do. That goes for herbivores and carnivores. Pigs don't sweat and in the wild they are primarily herbivores. Same goes for hippos.

3) Otters and raccoons also have long intestinal tracks. Guess what, both of those are omnivorous animals.

4) Ok enough of this. Show me documented proof that the stomach acid relationship you put up there is true for all herbivores and carnivores. I'm calling BS because nothing like that exists across species lines.

5) Humans eat fruits and grains, so it stands to reason that they would have the tools necessary to do that. Still, that's a silly point anyway. In the wild, canines are mostly meat eaters yet I doubt anyone would argue that canines aren't good at making spit. The same goes for cats.

6) Again, Humans eat gruits and grains, so how does them having the tools needed to digest part of their diet automatically disqualify another part of their diet.

Now let me ask you a question. When is the last time you saw a completely herbivorous animal kill and eat another animal. I've never seen a horse kill a cow and eat it. I've never seen a rabbit kill a chipmunk and eat it. The fact of the matter is true herbivores remain that way. They don't just go eating meat even if it's right there in front of them. Hell in dry seasons when gazelles and zebra are dropping like flies from starvation, you don't see them eating each other. They die before they do that. So how then, do people figure people would take that step if we weren't meant to? How then, do people figure we survived that step if we weren't meant to too? Also if all our closest relaties in the animal kingdom eat flesh from time to time, how do people figure that we weren't ever meant to?

 

[TX_Made713]

these niggas be firin up the grill to fry plant leaves with a nice cold cup of water

 

[theillestrator]

these niggas be firin up the grill to fry plant leaves with a nice cold cup of water

lol, u silly bruh.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

these niggas be firin up the grill to fry plant leaves with a nice cold cup of water

...............

 

[Chike]

here's what "they" have to say about marijuana's effects on the lungs. (drugabuse.gov) of course, white people are evil and the government is out to get us all, but, anyway:

"Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses."

aside from this, its just common sense that smoke doesn't belong in your lungs. why do you think it makes you cough? why do you think it burns? you know your body has built it security to let you know what's good for business and what bad for business. hey bro, i'm not telling anyone not to smoke weed, even if there are other ways to get to the thc. i was just pointing out the hypocrisy in ridiculing someone for eating meat by stating health reasons and then advocating smoking.

Yea, that didn't help your cause at all. Again, I don't want their opinion, I want records of all the people that died, or got cancer from smoking nothing else other than marijuana.

 

[elliott_argon]

Yea, that didn't help your cause at all. Again, I don't want their opinion, I want records of all the people that died, or got cancer from smoking nothing else other than marijuana.

i don't care enough about you to go through all of that to save your lungs. if it doesn't make sense enough to you that smoke doesn't belong in your lungs, i really could care less if you agree. twist up and blow one for the cause brotha.

 

[Chike]

i don't care enough about you to go through all of that to save your lungs. if it doesn't make sense enough to you that smoke doesn't belong in your lungs, i really could care less if you agree. twist up and blow one for the cause brotha.

lol You can't make a claim without being able to back it up. IF weed smoke is bad for you, prove it. Plain and simple.

 

[melanated khemist]

these niggas be firin up the grill to fry plant leaves with a nice cold cup of water

its okay to steam your vegetables,better to eat them raw,best to blend or juice them. heating

after a person eats cooked food , his/her blood responds immediately by increasing the number of white blood cells. This is a well-known phenomena called 'digestive leukocytosis', in which there is a rise in the number of leukocytes - white blood cells - after eating. Heating any food, destroys much of its vitamin, mineral, and protein content, and poisonous inorganic acids are formed. The all uncooked diet is most healthful.We should not cook our food. During this apparently harmless process, yeah right, vital enzymes are destroyed, proteins are coagulated (making them difficult to assimilate), vitamins are mostly destroyed with the remainder changing into forms that are difficult for the body to utilize, pesticides are restructured into even more toxic compounds, valuable oxygen is lost, and free radicals are produced to say the least. plus it is a chemical change because the substantce that you put in the pan plus the ingredients will mix and the result of that cooking activity will become a new substance and you dont want that.

PS water is great

 

[hrap-120]

Excellent thread.

Meat is not a nessecity. i spelled that wrong....

 

[blackrain]

one of the major problems with eating meat is people eating too much of it, animals we consume being exposed to the chemicals we are releasing into the environment, and injecting them so they can grow larger...and humans are OMNIVORES which means we can eat meat and non-meat products...yes you can live life w/o eating meat, but eating meat is not an automatic death sentence to your life

 

[elliott_argon]

lol You can't make a claim without being able to back it up. IF weed smoke is bad for you, prove it. Plain and simple.

i did back it with a reputable source.