y'all and many others in this thread and on the ic is the reason i dont give a fuck anymore when i first started out i tried pleasing everybody and people still bitched and complained, i made a thread a few months ago called "rate upcoming rappers" where ic rappers post their music and get it rated etc and it got merged 100x times and moved all over the forum but "i dont try to help no one", there is a thread made by jeff axel about ic rappers stickied up top, that should be the only thread for ic rappers because this forum is not for ic rappers, if you wanna promote your music there is a forum for that, maybe if roc that mic didn't exist then that would be one thing. and if many of you guys that have music to promote keep posting in roc tha mic eventually roc tha mic will start popping.