Reason Debates Final: Sociopath Tendencies wins

[hrap-120]

This is making me change the way I do voting going forward. I notice people voting for the posters they like while using valid points to mask their bias.

Hotdamn Jamaica has a backbone and wants to add some credibility and integrity to the debates but he lacks the testicular fortitude to pull it off.

All it takes is a biased MOD to argue certain points & try to influence votes..its happened before and its pretty obvious.

If I shit on a mod for being a Nicky Minajah groupie and he enters a debate and types 12 posts trying to convince people against my stance instead of who GAVE THE BETTER ARGUEMENT..what does that say??

People aint stupid they know whats fugazee, and thats why everybody dropped out and said "Fuck the Reason debates"..the Mods even use aliases.....

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These clowns are too obvious with their aliases, just look at their post history LOL.

Just look at the I.P.'s Jamaica and laugh with me...they usually post within 2 minutes of each other......

 

[hrap-120]

Lol, you silly.

I did that for my own entertainment--like most things I do.
It's funny that you laced your own post with " Ayo Jamaica, you need to make sure that no aliases vote, and make sure you count the votes before you declare a winner, dont allow any interference from e-gangs or anonymous-avatars, Judge wise and dont let people cheat jrod44 out of a victory." because you're scared the person you're "beefing" with is gonna win the debate.

Also, if other posters from different forums weren't supposed to come in here and vote...why would Jamacia have the link for the debates in his sig?!
He posts ALL OVER the board...that's advertisement as well.
=~)*

Jamaica is naive, he lets that Killacham chick bully him...why you think there isnt a vote-tally at the end of a debate?? He bows down when the Cham chick enters the thread.

This shit is a sham and has no integrity or crediblity, thats why everybody dropped out in protest of its fakeness.

The Mod will try to rig the Debate for his Donkey E-buddy and everybody sees it LOL.

 

[Blue Virgo]

If you already believe that it's rigged/fake, why do you care so much?

 

[hrap-120]

If you already believe that it's rigged/fake, why do you care so much?

After counting your posts in this thread i was gonna ask you the same thing...

Why did you go into the Donkey forum and ask people to come in here and vote honey??

Why do you care so much??

 

[Blue Virgo]

After counting your posts in this thread i was gonna ask you the same thing...

Why did you go into the Donkey forum and ask people to come in here and vote honey??

Why do you care so much??

So....you're not going to answer the question?

 

[Blue Virgo]

That's my alias and it's really me posting all of that.

You didn't know that? It's common knowledge.

I care deeply about this Reason posting shit.

Co-Sign. I don't wanna vote for myself.

 

[jrod44]

I personally believe the shits rigged too. Im a ringer.

 

[jrod44]

Sociopath Tendencies tore Jrodd to pieces. Wasn't much of a fight although jrodd did have the advantage. What messed me up about Jrodd's response was that he actually compromised (in his 3rd rebuttal) by agreeing and lost all credibility from that point on, he even tried to debate a weak area of the topic against his foe's strongest. Ok WE KNOW Nas won the battle but it is Jay who won the war (even jordan lost games but he won the championships & the legacy in the end thats wat counts), how does a guy who faded out of the limelight compare with the title we bestow upon Jay ? G.O.A.T - Jrodd shouldve focused on that instead & besides, comparing lyrics is such a difficult thing to do wen both artists are amazing, that its just easier to find another route. But I felt that Socio's post in post #7 intimidated jrodd from using a rebuttal like that (brilliant strategy on Socio's part). Socio came w/ great rebuttals (post #13 was most brutal) and was able to refute anything that came his way with clarity and respect. In the end it was a great debate & jrodd shouldve won, as he had an easier argument for jay. But Socio was relentless. Socio destroyed jrodd....

Therefore my vote goes to Sociopath Tendencies.

lol. thats funny.

 

[therealist_]

Sociopath -

Only a loser that has accepted defeat believes in winning by virtue of having a moral victory.

LOL ..

 

[L3NU]

this is a pretty good debate but i think the winner is clear in terms of who had the better argument, I think socio did a better job of defending his position that ether was much better then takeover and also the follow up supa-ugly

i didnt like how jrodd tried to incorporate jay-z's success in the following years as proof of his win, cuz that stuff had nothing to do with the nas battle, he prolly still would be in the same situation even if he lost to nas or didnt battle him at all, that is irrelevent to the battle and shouldnt be included...its like if i am fighting with my neighbor, and then a year later i win the lottorey and come back and say to him "see i was right all along!"...

also, the follow up, supa ugly, i always liked the record (not as much as ether or takeover) but socio also did a good job of dismantling it, for instance when he pointed out that jay hooking up with nas's ex isnt something that should bother nas. etc etc

all things considered jrodd did well but socio made better points to me

vote - socio

 

[ShencotheMC]

*steps past all the beef in this thread*

Ok well I gotta say that after reading the debate... this was a fantastic battle and it actually cam down to the wire for me. Both sides made terrific points to rebut the other, but in the end I'm going to have to give this one to Jrodd.

JRodd made consistently good points as did Socio but both had flawed aspects. Jrodd messed up by attempting to implement the personal success of Jay Z when it really didn't matter when it came to the battle. Yes at the end of the day Jay's life>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nas' but we not talking about that. Socio messed up when he tried to bring in the facts thing. In a rap battle one of the most hard-hitting things is personal information used to insult the opponent. Take for example in 8 mile when Rabbit told Papa Doc's real name and how he went to a private school. Also how when Rabbit basically put his life out there and left Papa Doc with nothing to use that would be as effective. The fact still stands that Jay Z and AI did smash Carmen. Yes I understand that it was his ex but when jay said he left condoms on the baby seat was disrespect at it's fullest. If someone had got murked because of that I would've understood. And the 1 hot album every ten year average thing WAS factual in some ways because if you listen to the line Jay says " One was ehhh the other was Illmatic..." basically saying that compared to Illmatic Nas hasn't had any really good albums, which is true. I also didn't like how Socio tried to argue that Nas was bringing facts by using lines that Nas played off of in Ether. I thought lyrics didn't = reality so how is Nas calling Jay a tae bo ho for what he said in Girls Girls Girls actually a fact? That was when you effed up imo. I mean if that was truthfulness did the young chick jay messed with really scream for reeboks? Did Jay really date a chick who he had to keep awake like off of Deuce Bigalow? Simply I believe you guy were at an even level until you dropped that. It was then where I felt like you were grasping at air to try and respond to the claim that Jrodd made of Takeover being all truth and Ether just being a bunch of jokes. You did get that Jaz line but that's not a good enough personal to match fucking your baby moms. Then using the whole jay z crying, admitting defeat and bleek being mad thing was cool I gotta admit, but that doesn't mean to the general population that Nas is the winner. To the general public LL destroyed Canibus but if actual hiphop heads actually got a chance to listen we'd all see that canibus lyrically murdered LL. CAnibus basically admits defeat but we all know that he won the battle. Many people, I for one, still think jin beat serius Jones. But anyways that seemed subjective because as previously noted. The lines at hot 97 were busy and we don't know how alot of people felt about each of the records. Either way, you can debate who really won this battle between Jay z and Nas until the end of time but in this particular debate Ima have to give this to Jrodd for being a little more consistent with his arguments. He messed up with the personal lives thing no doubt, but Socio made some mistakes that had me like " Really? C'mon son."

So I'm giving this vote to Jrodd based on a little more consistency and logic in his arguements

 

[JokerzWyld]

I vote SP....

 

[5th Letter]

I vote SP....

why are you voting for him

 

[jrod44]

this is a pretty good debate but i think the winner is clear in terms of who had the better argument, I think socio did a better job of defending his position that ether was much better then takeover and also the follow up supa-ugly

i didnt like how jrodd tried to incorporate jay-z's success in the following years as proof of his win, cuz that stuff had nothing to do with the nas battle, he prolly still would be in the same situation even if he lost to nas or didnt battle him at all, that is irrelevent to the battle and shouldnt be included...its like if i am fighting with my neighbor, and then a year later i win the lottorey and come back and say to him "see i was right all along!"...

also, the follow up, supa ugly, i always liked the record (not as much as ether or takeover) but socio also did a good job of dismantling it, for instance when he pointed out that jay hooking up with nas's ex isnt something that should bother nas. etc etc

all things considered jrodd did well but socio made better points to me

vote - socio

good point, about the not having any affect, nas did not affect jays success. My thing though and I dont know if I can do this, so mods can delete it later but I only talked about the continued success of Jay when my opponent brought up a clip from 94 in the 1st post. To me it gave the greenlight, which if you read my 1st post, I ask the question, at what point in time do we stop breaking them down. My opponent brings up the past sounding like Fu schnickens to make a point, not a very good one, but me using a different time period is out of bounds?

yeah hooking with nas's ex isnt bad, telling all of america you skeeted in the back of his jeep leaving condoms in the baby seat, well...

 

[a.mann]

smh @ destorying an otherwise good debate...

and my vote goes to CHoice, who I feel made the better arugment with better rationale.

 

[a.mann]

this is a pretty good debate but i think the winner is clear in terms of who had the better argument, I think socio did a better job of defending his position that ether was much better then takeover and also the follow up supa-ugly

i didnt like how jrodd tried to incorporate jay-z's success in the following years as proof of his win, cuz that stuff had nothing to do with the nas battle, he prolly still would be in the same situation even if he lost to nas or didnt battle him at all, that is irrelevent to the battle and shouldnt be included...its like if i am fighting with my neighbor, and then a year later i win the lottorey and come back and say to him "see i was right all along!"...

also, the follow up, supa ugly, i always liked the record (not as much as ether or takeover) but socio also did a good job of dismantling it, for instance when he pointed out that jay hooking up with nas's ex isnt something that should bother nas. etc etc

all things considered jrodd did well but socio made better points to me

vote - socio

exactly......good post

 

[jrod44]

My point about bringing up the Fu Schnickens makes sense because it directly related to Nas' diss when Nas said Jay was trying to rap like him and prior to that he was rapping like the Fu Schnickens.

That's the difference between that and what Jay did after the battle was over. My line was directly about Jay rapping like Nas and I used that video to prove Nas correct in his assessment of Jay's previous rhyming style.

okay lets say you are valid, still you opened up taking it from strictly this time period to other time periods, which I figured you would do. not necessarily that I knew exactly how but just the fact I thought you would, so i thought to myself wait till he says something first and then let that open up my lane. which is what happened.

 

[jrod44]

exactly......good post

"Ether is the truth, but it’s deeper than the superficial that Jay wants you to know about, what happened in Ether affected Jay. Had Jay responding to it 2 years later on his “retirement” album"

maybe a good post but poor comprehension skills, I almost forgot, socio says that Jay is affected yrs later by Nas's lyrics, how am I suppose to rebutt? and the notion that is what I based my argument on is just inccorrect, I said it only furthered margin of victory, I used that phrase twice I believe.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Jrodd just chill dude. If they vote for somebody else and actually have a legitimate reason then let em vote. If you suspect dickriding hit up Jamaica and tell him your complaint

 

[Blue Virgo]

I personally believe the shits rigged too. Im a ringer.

Why do you think you're a ringer?