Real talk... What was so special about Boyz II Men?

[Mr. R&B]

really?, nah bro, that album had mad filler. "girl in the life magazine"? "baby come on", "c'mon", "human ii", ---all filler

I disagree. I love all those tracks, aside from 'Girl in The Life Magazine'. Even so, I wouldn't call it "filler". I love the concept of that song.

thats apart of the main reason they fell off so hard right after the II album was so successful and good. people started to get tired of them around 1997 or so and the album wasnt living up to what they were known for before. sales dropped from 10+mill, to just over 2 mill (which is still good, but a damn big difference). etc..

Sales really has nothing to do with what you and I are discussing. We're talking about the quality of the album, not how much it sold. 2x platinum is awesome. The only reason Motownphilly and II sold more, was because of the singles. They were more radio friendly and targeted at a younger audience. Evolution's singles were not. But, like I said, the album, as a whole, was their best work, with II being a close second, in my opinion.

kci and jojo who were always in boyz ii mens shadows while in jodeci, had finally stepped to the forefront in 1997 when they dropped the "love always" album, which IMO i think is easily better than evolution.

Yuck. I hate that album. Only reason they got all that attention was because of 'All My Life'. Aside from that and 'Don't Rush', that album bores the shit out of me. From start to finish, Evolution is the superior album. 4 Seasons of Loneliness>>>all.

Just being real. You said your piece earlier, I replied with mine. So, there's really no need to keep debating this another time lmao. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[mrjun18]

I disagree. I love all those tracks, aside from 'Girl in The Life Magazine'. Even so, I wouldn't call it "filler". I love the concept of that song.

Sales really has nothing to do with what you and I are discussing. We're talking about the quality of the album, not how much it sold. 2x platinum is awesome. The only reason Motownphilly and II sold more, was because of the singles. They were more radio friendly and targeted at a younger audience. Evolution's singles were not. But, like I said, the album, as a whole, was their best work, with II being a close second, in my opinion.

Yuck. I hate that album. Only reason they got all that attention was because of 'All My Life'. Aside from that and 'Don't Rush', that album bores the shit out of me. From start to finish, Evolution is the superior album. 4 Seasons of Loneliness>>>all.

Just being real. You said your piece earlier, I replied with mine. So, there's really no need to keep debating this another time lmao. Let's just agree to disagree.

You hate that album? Really? "Last Nights Letter"? "How Many Times"? "Just For Love"? Man that album was solid homie.

And not that sales matter, but I only brought up sales as one of the reason why people were not in to Boyz II Men anymore....Not just the lower quality material, but other factors as well. And "4 Four Seasons" is easily one of Boyz II Men's worst singles, never liked that song.

Doin Just Fine, Pass You By >> 4 Seasons

But I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Mr. R&B]

You hate that album? Really? "Last Nights Letter"? "How Many Times"? "Just For Love"? Man that album was solid homie.

And not that sales matter, but I only brought up sales as one of the reason why people were not in to Boyz II Men anymore....Not just the lower quality material, but other factors as well. And "4 Four Seasons" is easily one of Boyz II Men's worst singles, never liked that song.

Doin Just Fine, Pass You By >> 4 Seasons

But I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, KC and Jojo bore be, period. Them dudes is mad corny. Without DeVante, they are MEH.

I honestly don't consider lower sales equaling people weren't into Boyz II Men anymore. Evolution just didn't have those radio-friendly singles and was targeted at a much more grown-folk demographic. That's all. 2 million people still bought the album.

I guess we just have very different taste. You see, 4 Seasons of Loneliness is my favorite Boyz II Men record and one of my favorite songs ever. Doin' Just Fine is awesome also, but I don't think it's on the same level as 4 Seasons of Loneliness (that song is just magic to me lol), and Pass You By is alright. I dunno, I can't replay that song over and over.

Yep. We just have different taste. No biggie. I still think Boyz II Men>>>Jodeci (who I also love) vocally and music quality speaking.

 

[mrjun18]

Yeah, KC and Jojo bore be, period. Them dudes is mad corny. Without DeVante, they are MEH.

I honestly don't consider lower sales equaling people weren't into Boyz II Men anymore. Evolution just didn't have those radio-friendly singles and was targeted at a much more grown-folk demographic. That's all. 2 million people still bought the album.

I guess we just have very different taste. You see, 4 Seasons of Loneliness is my favorite Boyz II Men record and one of my favorite songs ever. Doin' Just Fine is awesome also, but I don't think it's on the same level as 4 Seasons of Loneliness (that song is just magic to me lol), and Pass You By is alright. I dunno, I can't replay that song over and over.

Yep. We just have different taste. No biggie. I still think Boyz II Men>>>Jodeci (who I also love) vocally and music quality speaking.

Aight thats cool, bro. At the end of the day, Jodeci, Boyz II Men, Silk, Guy, etc. >>> 2000's R&B artists.

Even Al B Sure, who can barely sing a lick >> Bobby Valentino, Omarion, etc. and the rest of them fools.

As far as K-Ci and JoJo as a duo, I wasn't a big fan of them.... I just liked that first album they had, the rest of the albums after that were 2-3 singles, then the rest is mostly filler. Jodeci on the other hand is my sh1t. I do agree once DeVante is out the equation, there is a big loss. Too bad Jodeci n1ggas is crackheads now, while Boyz II Men are still doing they thang...well... at least trying. lol.

 

[Mrslim1]

false. not saying they are on the same level, but as far as musicianship, the tonyies and mint condition can be compared to the older bands as well.... (o'jays, ewf, the ohio players, tower of power etc...).

Well musicianship is a different thing. I am speaking on vocal ability compared to the Temptations , 4 Tops , Chi-lites etc .

 

[tri3w]

Ummm..............how about being the Best R&B group of the 90's?????

 

[mrjun18]

Well musicianship is a different thing. I am speaking on vocal ability compared to the Temptations , 4 Tops , Chi-lites etc .

lol. You didnt say vocally. You said "Boys II Men is the only group post Motown era that you can even compare to the great groups of that era."

So i took as it as you are speaking in general terms. And musicianship is not a different thing. It also is apart of being an artist.

 

[Mrslim1]

lol. You didnt say vocally. You said "Boys II Men is the only group post Motown era that you can even compare to the great groups of that era."

So i took as it as you are speaking in general terms. And musicianship is not a different thing. It also is apart of being an artist.

When I speak about musicianship I am talking more about the instrumentation aspect of the music . I do agree with you musicianship is a part of being an artist. I wouldn't compare Boys II Men to groups/bands such as EWF , Tower of Power, Sweetback etc . I think we are on the same page musically though.

 

[Mr. R&B]

Aight thats cool, bro. At the end of the day, Jodeci, Boyz II Men, Silk, Guy, etc. >>> 2000's R&B artists.

That, my friend, nobody should ever bother debating. Couldn't agree more. That is why I stay listening to 90s/early 2000 R&B. They'll be the exception every now and again, but overall, I think the best era in R&B is certainly behind us.

 

[buttuh_b]

You buggin b....

 

[kAjUn]

@ threadmaker

I agree jodeci were all-around more talented, I thought you was saying they were better singers. Temptations fall into the just "singing" category aswell, are they overrated to?

 

[mrjun18]

@ threadmaker

I agree jodeci were all-around more talented, I thought you was saying they were better singers. Temptations fall into the just "singing" category aswell, are they overrated to?

No, I never said "being just a singer means your overrated". 'Cause you can look at Whitney Houston, The Temps, Four tops or whoever and see that is not the case.

 

[Nthngis4vr]

I don't think they were overrated. They were extremely talented vocally and brought something new at the time. Maybe they just got a lot of respect from the older generation so it made them stand out more than a lot of groups.

Jodeci>> them though. I have been listening to diary of a mad band lately.