The Lonious Monk
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5 Grand;c-9967729 said:
His score is higher. I personally don't like Eminem too much. If I was just going by my personal opinion, I'd put him at the bottom of the list so far. But I think from a technical standpoint he's damn near flawless. If you think I overrated him somewhere, then you know how it goes, post the argument. But also post your scores, cause I'm keeping track of those too by popular demand.
Shizlansky
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genocidecutter
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Oh boy lets get into this
Lyrics(3)-Its all over the place with Em. Sometimes he raps about hating his mom other times he makes bullshit like FACK. I'll give him a 3
Delivery(3)-Actually pretty good but I got to give him a 3 since he copied his flow from Masta Ace. Plus his new flow is really wack. It's just him rapping really fast and saying as many words as possible(kinda like Twisted Insane but not nearly as good).
Language(1)- Black people ain't fuckin with his music. We don't understand him.
Storytelling(4)- I'll give a 4 for this one on the strength of his songs under his Slim Shady alter ego. KIM is also a good story telling song even if its kinda fucked up.
Catalog(2)-How yall hate on Insane Clown Posse but praise Em is beyond me? He was decent on his first 3 albums and has been hot garbage since. The MMLP is easily the most overrated rap album of all time.
Subject Matter(2)-When he's not making corny hit singles like my name is or Without me, He makes Corny emotional songs like not afraid. Only a handfull of his songs stand the test the time which is why he does not a classic album.
Creativity(1)- Since you can't give him a 0 I'll give him the absolute lowest score of 1. This dude is the Elvis Presley of hiphop, He copied Masta Ace's flow to an exact T on his first 3 albums, He got multiply personalities from Redman and the Slim Shady alter ego is just a 3rd rate version of Esham.
Collaboration(3)- For the most part decent. His recent collabos have been pretty subpar minus speedom with Tech N9ne. And yes Jigga warriors he killed Jay-z on Renegade
Impact(1)-He made a big splash when he first came out but years removed from the hype his music just doesn't do it anymore.
Overall Score:20
Once you get pass the fact he's white there really isn't much else to him. He was a mediocre rapper that got popular because he was signed by Dr.Dre. Nothing in his catalog stands the test of time and is worth listening to minus the SSLP(and I skip My name is I everytime I listen to it).
And BTW no he did not kill ICP's career. The Amazing Jeckel Brothers came out in 1999 and till this day it is still their highest selling album to day.
Lyrics(3)-Its all over the place with Em. Sometimes he raps about hating his mom other times he makes bullshit like FACK. I'll give him a 3
Delivery(3)-Actually pretty good but I got to give him a 3 since he copied his flow from Masta Ace. Plus his new flow is really wack. It's just him rapping really fast and saying as many words as possible(kinda like Twisted Insane but not nearly as good).
Language(1)- Black people ain't fuckin with his music. We don't understand him.
Storytelling(4)- I'll give a 4 for this one on the strength of his songs under his Slim Shady alter ego. KIM is also a good story telling song even if its kinda fucked up.
Catalog(2)-How yall hate on Insane Clown Posse but praise Em is beyond me? He was decent on his first 3 albums and has been hot garbage since. The MMLP is easily the most overrated rap album of all time.
Subject Matter(2)-When he's not making corny hit singles like my name is or Without me, He makes Corny emotional songs like not afraid. Only a handfull of his songs stand the test the time which is why he does not a classic album.
Creativity(1)- Since you can't give him a 0 I'll give him the absolute lowest score of 1. This dude is the Elvis Presley of hiphop, He copied Masta Ace's flow to an exact T on his first 3 albums, He got multiply personalities from Redman and the Slim Shady alter ego is just a 3rd rate version of Esham.
Collaboration(3)- For the most part decent. His recent collabos have been pretty subpar minus speedom with Tech N9ne. And yes Jigga warriors he killed Jay-z on Renegade
Impact(1)-He made a big splash when he first came out but years removed from the hype his music just doesn't do it anymore.
Overall Score:20
Once you get pass the fact he's white there really isn't much else to him. He was a mediocre rapper that got popular because he was signed by Dr.Dre. Nothing in his catalog stands the test of time and is worth listening to minus the SSLP(and I skip My name is I everytime I listen to it).
And BTW no he did not kill ICP's career. The Amazing Jeckel Brothers came out in 1999 and till this day it is still their highest selling album to day.
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genocidecutter
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Seriously listen to Esham or Necro. They both do the same thing Eminem does and better. They also don't have corny hit singles or lame skits on their albums either.
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The Lonious Monk
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genocidecutter;c-9967747 said:
I ain't picking on you genocide, but this is the reason I'm still doing the adjusted baseline score. Cause ya'll niggas ain't even trying to rate according to the rules. lol
Lyrics: 3.5 He can rap, well at least earlier in his career. In his prime he was cold for the most part. Multis, flow and cadences were on point. Lyrics fell off the cliff post 05. Just rap fast and fools eat it up. But I'll give him props for early career. If it was just early em it would be higher but I balanced the grades of now and it weighted it down.
Delivery: 3. Delivery cool. Some people may like the over the top emphasis he does when he has a one liners. Shit is od wack. He's better when he does it more subtle without the extra& screaming it.
Language: 5. He's lyrical miracle
Storytelling: 4.5 he can tell a vivid story. I don't dig the content but it's a strong point of his.
Catalog: 2. Here comes the good part. The albums are wack. Mmlp is good at best, sslp and Eminem show is solid at best. All the other ones are either mediocre or straight up triddash. 75% of the singles is wigger billabong hat, jeans with the chain, J.C. Penney Sneaker music. Cheesy and garbage. Couple good singles but majority is cookie cutter garbage. Album cuts are hollow and forgettable.
Subject Matter: 1. Rebel teenage cac music is not the wave. Whatsoever.
Creativity 3.
Collaboration: 3 . Some good guest appearances in his time. A lot of forgetful ones too.
Impact: 2.5. His true impact is solid. Inspired some newer rappers from a skill standpoint. As far as body as work, its been mediocre. Balance it out
Score: 27.5 Dan Marjele of rap. Was an all star, really good in his prime nothing more nothing less.
Delivery: 3. Delivery cool. Some people may like the over the top emphasis he does when he has a one liners. Shit is od wack. He's better when he does it more subtle without the extra& screaming it.
Language: 5. He's lyrical miracle
Storytelling: 4.5 he can tell a vivid story. I don't dig the content but it's a strong point of his.
Catalog: 2. Here comes the good part. The albums are wack. Mmlp is good at best, sslp and Eminem show is solid at best. All the other ones are either mediocre or straight up triddash. 75% of the singles is wigger billabong hat, jeans with the chain, J.C. Penney Sneaker music. Cheesy and garbage. Couple good singles but majority is cookie cutter garbage. Album cuts are hollow and forgettable.
Subject Matter: 1. Rebel teenage cac music is not the wave. Whatsoever.
Creativity 3.
Collaboration: 3 . Some good guest appearances in his time. A lot of forgetful ones too.
Impact: 2.5. His true impact is solid. Inspired some newer rappers from a skill standpoint. As far as body as work, its been mediocre. Balance it out
Score: 27.5 Dan Marjele of rap. Was an all star, really good in his prime nothing more nothing less.
The Lonious Monk
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5 Grand;c-9967889 said:
A 2 was what I was thinking too. I thought I was being too hard. The problem is you're trying to score him according to what others got. That's specifically not what you should be doing. Your only consideration should be his merits in the categories. If you're short changing him just because you don't want him to be higher than your favorite, you're not being objective.
Preach2Teach
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5 Grand;c-9967729 said:
Pac is debatable.
Like Water
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Preach2Teach;c-9968032 said:
GTFOHWTBS
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The Lonious Monk;c-9968028 said:
Has nothing to do with comparisons to the greats. He has three albums that can somewhat withstand the test of time out of 7. There are lesser rappers with better catalogs.
Jeezy, Ross and Kanye have better catalogs and that's not even debatable. Hell, if you count Section 80, even Kendrick has already surpassed Em's catalog. The shit is flimsy as fuck for a "GOAT".
mosincredible
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I'd pull his delivery down a notch. Post Encore, his voice is very high-pitched and whiny, lots of yelling and unnecessary fast rapping. Nowhere near as smooth as his old work.
konceptjones
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Where I would dispute Monk's assessment:
Storytelling: 5.
Eminem's storytelling ability is matched by very few and the only MC's I can think of off the top of my head in his league would be Ghostface, Slick Rick, and MC Lyte.
Subject Matter: 2.
Early Eminem had more in the way of subject matter. I'm talking Infinite/SSEP/SSLP Eminem. After that he got all angsty. You could pigeonhole an entire album with the following:
Songs about or at least a verse about his daughter
Mommy issues
Being fatherless
I hate/love Kim.
Homelife was/is terrible
Relationship issues
I hate being a celbrity
and you'd have about 95% of the album. Shit like "Rap God", "Stan", "Mosh" is few and far between and even when he does it he sometimes manages to slip one or more of the aforementioned subjects into those songs.
aside from that, Monk is pretty much spot on.
Storytelling: 5.
Eminem's storytelling ability is matched by very few and the only MC's I can think of off the top of my head in his league would be Ghostface, Slick Rick, and MC Lyte.
Subject Matter: 2.
Early Eminem had more in the way of subject matter. I'm talking Infinite/SSEP/SSLP Eminem. After that he got all angsty. You could pigeonhole an entire album with the following:
Songs about or at least a verse about his daughter
Mommy issues
Being fatherless
I hate/love Kim.
Homelife was/is terrible
Relationship issues
I hate being a celbrity
and you'd have about 95% of the album. Shit like "Rap God", "Stan", "Mosh" is few and far between and even when he does it he sometimes manages to slip one or more of the aforementioned subjects into those songs.
aside from that, Monk is pretty much spot on.
Lyrics - 3.5 - On a technical level, Em is untouchable but a lot of times I feel like hes saying anything just to complete a complex rhyme scheme. There are a lot of rappity rappers and Em is top tier, but sometimes I feel like he sacrifices his message or other parts of lyricism just to have some crazy rhymes. To me lyrics are a equal combo of what you are saying and how you are saying it, and a lot of times Em isnt saying shit.
Delivery - 4 - This is so tough for me. On certain beats, Em has one of the best flows other, but on other beats he has one of the most annoying voices. There are times when his voice on certain beats kills the whole song for me. But when his flow is on its so good that I cant give him less than a 4.
Language - 5 - Em has an undeniable way words. Not much to explain here.
Catalog - 3 - This is very tough. On one hand, most rappers dont have a single good album, lets alone 2-3 really good ones. On the other hand, most rappers that Eminem is compared to dont have 5 albums that are completely garbage. I battled between 2.5 and 3, but ultimately feel like 3 really good albums should get him atleast 3.
Storytelling - 4- I went with story telling ability here. He doesnt have many stories but when he does tell a story its usually good.
Creativity - 3 - While he has some creative songs, he also has been using the same exact formula for years. An Em album consists of a bunch of lyrical songs, a fuck my life song, a fuck my mom song, an I love my daughter song, a few psuedo gay white humor pop song, and recently his drugs are cool songs have been replaced with uplifting songs where he yells a positivr message. Ive legit just wrote the formula for every single Em album, and thats why he gets a 3.
Subject Matter - 3 - On one hand, his subject matter is different from the average rapper. On the other hand, its been the same handful of subjects for damn near 20 years
Collaboration - 5 - Em can rap his ass off and in collabs he either kills rappers or ties them.
Impact - 5 - Objectively, love him or hate him, you cant deny his impact on pop culture. With that said, I take it a step further, you cant listen to some of the best young new rappers and not hear eminems influence of them. With that said, I think he earns a 5.
Overall score - 35.5
Delivery - 4 - This is so tough for me. On certain beats, Em has one of the best flows other, but on other beats he has one of the most annoying voices. There are times when his voice on certain beats kills the whole song for me. But when his flow is on its so good that I cant give him less than a 4.
Language - 5 - Em has an undeniable way words. Not much to explain here.
Catalog - 3 - This is very tough. On one hand, most rappers dont have a single good album, lets alone 2-3 really good ones. On the other hand, most rappers that Eminem is compared to dont have 5 albums that are completely garbage. I battled between 2.5 and 3, but ultimately feel like 3 really good albums should get him atleast 3.
Storytelling - 4- I went with story telling ability here. He doesnt have many stories but when he does tell a story its usually good.
Creativity - 3 - While he has some creative songs, he also has been using the same exact formula for years. An Em album consists of a bunch of lyrical songs, a fuck my life song, a fuck my mom song, an I love my daughter song, a few psuedo gay white humor pop song, and recently his drugs are cool songs have been replaced with uplifting songs where he yells a positivr message. Ive legit just wrote the formula for every single Em album, and thats why he gets a 3.
Subject Matter - 3 - On one hand, his subject matter is different from the average rapper. On the other hand, its been the same handful of subjects for damn near 20 years
Collaboration - 5 - Em can rap his ass off and in collabs he either kills rappers or ties them.
Impact - 5 - Objectively, love him or hate him, you cant deny his impact on pop culture. With that said, I take it a step further, you cant listen to some of the best young new rappers and not hear eminems influence of them. With that said, I think he earns a 5.
Overall score - 35.5
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