Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[garv]

Indian Caste System. "the origins of racism"

Nope down to European invaders.

 

[Reina B]

Hhhhhmmmmm something to think about. Who's going to help him run Haiti? Actually who's going to be making the decisions for him?

 

[garv]

I don't agree with the bolded because it ignores the geopolitical aspect of WHY CUBA IS MORE SUCCESSFUL. Haiti never received outside support from the United States OR ESPECIALLY, FRANCE, when it comes to infrastructural rebuilding and economic development like the Soviet's gave Cuba.

straight up black African leaders will always have a harder time after fighting for freedom than Galician Spanish (Castro) & Mestizos (Che'). and remember, Fidel Castro is a trained Jesuit so best believe he plugged into the Vatican like all Latin American countries.

and the U.S.'s bay of pigs invasion was deliberately thwarted by mysterious forces. bottom line, Cuba's leadership has pull that Haiti's never had.

I'm not saying the Castro family is not revolutionary. I'm just saying that they're TOLERATED revolutionaries.

He was tolerated yet secret agents tried to assassin him numerous times?

 

[musicology1985]

He was tolerated yet secret agents tried to assassin him numerous times?

well Garv you may have proven me wrong sir.

what I do know is that the CIA DELIBERATELY BOTCHED THE BAY OF PIGS INVASION. I also know that Fidel & his little brother Raul were trained by Jesuits. I am also aware of the fact that Soviet aid to Cuba was much greater than anything Haiti ever received from the United States, France, or anyone else for that matter.

I have never seen a black leader in the western hemisphere weld the power of the Castros. I know Cuba is on the right path and has been since day 1 after the revolution, but they have also enjoyed advantages that Haiti has not so the comparison is not fair.

 

[Swiffness!]

what I do know is that the CIA DELIBERATELY BOTCHED THE BAY OF PIGS INVASION.

i should dispute this but the CIA botched the Bay of Pigs so bad, I can't blame someone for thinking it deliberate

 

[independentsoundlab]

i dont think it was botched deliberately, i think they weren't expecting such a hostile movement.. Yea, the exiles were running their mouth too much and possibly a few those exiles were even spies.. I believe the US went in it too quick.. If they would of waited say 10-20 years.. who knows what would of happened..

This is how America runs things.. you start an invasion and pay the consequences double.. You Lost, You lost men, and you end up paying Castro money and supplies to get some of your men back.. sort of what will happen in Afghan..

 

[janklow]

No such thing as ALL RACISM. Just white supremacy racism, that's it.

to be blunt, the thing that makes your argument look stupid is that you keep saying "just white supremacy racism." if there's only one way for racism to be, the extra terminology is not necessary.

although it is, of course, because anyone, of any race can be racist. your ridiculous "reactionism" is still RACISM. there is absolutely no need to claim the term is more specific.

Because whites warred with EVERYONE in order to make a clear difference between them and everyone else. why? white supremacy racism, that's why. when we share the same nationality like in jena 6, it can be considered ethnic conflict as well, but it's still racism at the root when western whites are involved.

this does not answer my question. if every other clash between races can be called an ethnic conflict, what's the difference?

again... so how is it that a white-versus-black conflict can't be classified as an ethnic conflict?

bullshit. there is no proof of race. it was a cultural and national conflict.

my question was actually if you're aware of what the Japanese thought.

japan followed whites and got nuked for it... lmao. u see they ain't nuke shit in Europe. it's them against everybody else. they manipulate darker & poor peoples and throw em' away.

China was on the side of the US in that conflict -in fact, a large part of the desire to go to war with Japan was driven by a desire to defend China- and there was no need to nuke anything in Europe. and, as Swiffness said, there was plenty of white-on-white racism in that war.

i am not sure that your recounting of these historical events makes me feel confident in your argument

 

[janklow]

what I do know is that the CIA DELIBERATELY BOTCHED THE BAY OF PIGS INVASION.

curious as to what this is based on

I know Cuba is on the right path and has been since day 1 after the revolution-

ahahahahaha

 

[musicology1985]

listen to my white supremacists racists defense.

1st of all, you a cracker so of course you are going to try to spin the shit to benefit your people. your opinion don't mean jack on issues of racism. SO FUCK U AND FUCK WHAT U TALMBOUT. its bullshit.

reaction-ism is real and is not racism. deal with it and accept responsibility for what YOUR PEOPLE DID AND ARE DOING. when whites fall from prominent positions worldwide, we wont even be talking about this race fallacy anymore.

you piece of shit.

 

[musicology1985]

ahahahahaha

the right path for Cuba is the right path for Cuba. simple as that. u don't have to agree with it but u will respect it.

 

[major pain]

this is what u posted coon:

"To cite just one example: A mere five weeks before the Jena incident, a gang of perhaps 30 black teenagers brutally assaulted three white women -- 21-year-old Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith, and 19-year-old Loren Hyman -- in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, California.

so u did put jena in the convo, just not as a direct example but a setup for other black examples. why? because you trying to DIVERT THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM (white supremacy and racism) and instead bring it on black people like only a good coon such as yourself can do. as far as IQ? nigga anybody can sit up under the white man and make paper, that shit don't make u smart, it makes u a follower.

u the type of muthufucka who would rather focus on corner dealers instead of the CIA & Mexican Special Forces when it comes to Crack & Cocaine.

u the type of muthufucka who would rather focus on corner dealers instead of the CIA & war in Afghanistan when it comes to heroin.

u don't like to get to the root BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR THE ROOT. ain't nobody buying yo boule' shit dawg.

when white supremacy falls, everybody will be judged on the content of their character and culture instead of complexion. that's the solution. because u know damn well your argument is only going to be used to lock more blacks up, NOT LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. you give the racists all they need so they can just sit back and watch u bark like a good little dog.

ol' coon ass capin' ass nigga.

You're really fucking stupid. Those are not MY words you moronic fuck.

You are the type to wear a "Free 'insert homeboy' " t-shirt when your boy gets locked up for selling drugs.

Did you really just departmentalize America's drug problem to ONLY the CIA and foreign states? Its an ALL AROUND problem dumbass. From the beginning to the end are people to place some blame on. I'll agree with the notion that the BIGGEST blame should be on the people who let the drugs/money in and out of this country BUT the nigga on the corner is to blame just as much as the cartel forcing the Colombian citizens to farm and process the Coca leaf. See, unlike you, I'm VERY educated on these subjects and dont need to rely on "blame whitey" for EVERYTHING wrong in my life or other peoples.

That dude on the corner has some responsibility also, but YOU dont want to speak on that. I had every opportunity to sell drugs and NO ONE forced my hand, especially not a white person. Some people black, white, asian, mexican and whatever, take the easy way out and do illegal shit. Its much harder, in the "hood" to be the smart kid on the block, get an education and do something with yourself, than it is to just slang some dope. Yet, people still do it. Now, why is it when these people do THAT....... you pat them on the back and its not "blame whitey"?

 

[musicology1985]

You're really fucking stupid. Those are not MY words you moronic fuck.

You are the type to wear a "Free 'insert homeboy' " t-shirt when your boy gets locked up for selling drugs.

Did you really just departmentalize America's drug problem to ONLY the CIA and foreign states? Its an ALL AROUND problem dumbass. From the beginning to the end are people to place some blame on. I'll agree with the notion that the BIGGEST blame should be on the people who let the drugs/money in and out of this country BUT the nigga on the corner is to blame just as much as the cartel forcing the Colombian citizens to farm and process the Coca leaf. See, unlike you, I'm VERY educated on these subjects and dont need to rely on "blame whitey" for EVERYTHING wrong in my life or other peoples.

That dude on the corner has some responsibility also, but YOU dont want to speak on that. I had every opportunity to sell drugs and NO ONE forced my hand, especially not a white person. Some people black, white, asian, mexican and whatever, take the easy way out and do illegal shit. Its much harder, in the "hood" to be the smart kid on the block, get an education and do something with yourself, than it is to just slang some dope. Yet, people still do it. Now, why is it when these people do THAT....... you pat them on the back and its not "blame whitey"?

maaaan fuck yo education. i'm tired of hearing about your education. many brothers on here got degrees man, not just u and we don't have to sit here and read about them bragging on how that makes them more awesome than the next person. in fact, it makes u no better than me UNTIL U CAN SHOW AND PROVE OTHERWISE, which u will never do, coon.

as far as all that other bullshit u kickin'? that's all it is. a security & rehabilitation service outside of police along with independent black business network has to be put into place for the impact of the corner dealer to be lessened.

1. are u willing to strap up and patrol the streets? if not? stfu.

2. are u willing to move toward majority black ownership and employment in majority black areas? if not? stfu.

the shit u doing ain't gone achieve nuthin' but the penal for the brothers. fuck what yo coon ass talking about.

 

[Swiffness!]

You are the type to wear a "Free 'insert homeboy' " t-shirt when your boy gets locked up for selling drugs.

Shut up Snitch. u da type of a niccuh dat wont roll a blunt for his toddler

ole pussy azz snitch azz bitch azz pussy.

[video=youtube;6aHxa1vjrIE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aHxa1vjrIE[/video]

 

[musicology1985]

Shut up Snitch. u da type of a niccuh dat wont roll a blunt for his toddler

ole pussy azz snitch azz bitch azz pussy.

[video=youtube;6aHxa1vjrIE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aHxa1vjrIE[/video]

fuck u aaannnd major pain. a t shirt nor gucci mane got nothin' to do with facts.

 

[major pain]

maaaan fuck yo education. i'm tired of hearing about your education. many brothers on here got degrees man, not just u and we don't have to sit here and read about them bragging on how that makes them more awesome than the next person. in fact, it makes u no better than me UNTIL U CAN SHOW AND PROVE OTHERWISE, which u will never do, coon.

as far as all that other bullshit u kickin'? that's all it is. a security & rehabilitation service outside of police along with independent black business network has to be put into place for the impact of the corner dealer to be lessened.

1. are u willing to strap up and patrol the streets? if not? stfu.

2. are u willing to move toward majority black ownership and employment in majority black areas? if not? stfu.

the shit u doing ain't gone achieve nuthin' but the penal for the brothers. fuck what yo coon ass talking about.

Your "posts" amount to Waka's verse on Short Bus Shawty.

You attempted to challenge my intelligence. If by saying I have a formal education is bragging to you, then so be it. If you dont have one, then no big deal, strive to get it if thats what you choose. In either case, in that post I was not referring to my formal education, as it didnt teach me anything about the South American cartels.

I also never said I'm better than you because of it. Must suck to feel that way. I firmly believe that college is not for everyone. In your particular case though, your lack of intelligence, or stupidity if you will, speaks volumes.

Niggas like you kill me with the "successful black man = coon" rhetoric. Do better.

 

[musicology1985]

Your "posts" amount to Waka's verse on Short Bus Shawty.

You attempted to challenge my intelligence. If by saying I have a formal education is bragging to you, then so be it. If you dont have one, then no big deal, strive to get it if thats what you choose. In either case, in that post I was not referring to my formal education, as it didnt teach me anything about the South American cartels.

I also never said I'm better than you because of it. Must suck to feel that way. I firmly believe that college is not for everyone. In your particular case though, your lack of intelligence, or stupidity if you will, speaks volumes.

Niggas like you kill me with the "successful black man = coon" rhetoric. Do better.

weak ass post. I already intellectually smashed u because U CANT PROVE THAT RACE EXIST NOR CAN U PROVE THAT REACTION-ISM TO WHITE SUPREMACY RACISM BY NON-WHITES IS FALSE. so u still ain't got shit but status claims to bolster your position with no facts b. however, from this last post it looks like you may be retreating from that position. who knows?

and u still a coon. ain't got nothing to do with success. its just.....in you.

 

[musicology1985]

o yeah uncle tom major pain. I did not forget that u tried to say "those are not my words" when u clearly promoted & cosigned the views of those words. u posted that shit to state your position. don't back away from what it says now....... coon.

goodnight to all the posters, readers and my opponents (Janklow-cracker master, Swiff-mixed non-threat & Major Pain-dedicated uncle tom professional etc.) I see u mufuckas..

 

[major pain]

SHORT BUS SHAWTY

You still harping on this "race dont exist" shit?

If it did not, you would not classify people with terms like "white" or "black". The academic world and most of society agrees that race exists.

I get your retarded stance that if white people would not have tried to become superior the constructs of inferiority would not exist, but that doesnt change the fact that TODAY we use those same social constructs to describe ourselves and other people. If you want to try and say there is no such thing as race, then the same can be said as far as social class goes. If someone, somewhere, a long ass time ago had decided that their land was worth more than the next then the idea of wealth would not be around today. When you walk down the street and you see a pale faced person, you dont stop and ask them their ethnicity, you look at them and label them as a white guy. They could be from a 1000 different areas and still look like the average white American. You know you are guilty of this as we ALL are.

So, why try and refute the idea that a darker skinned person can look at a fairer skinned person and dislike them SOLELY because they are pale? Because you are fucking stupid. Grow UP, child.

Take a look at the "racist" south. There are hillbillies and rednecks in towns WAY off the main road that dont 1) own shit and 2) cant "oppress" their own children let alone black people. They certainly are not pulling the strings to keep black people down, but they are some of the most dangerous people there are because they will literally kill someone for being black. Reverse the situation, there are extremists on both sides. Look at you, calling some of these people crackas and uncle toms. Look at either of those two links I posted. Full of blacks "hating" white people. Why the hate is there is not the biggest issue, but the fact that it is there. People like you use "white" racism as a crutch with the oppression shit. The best way to get back at those "closet" racists is to do better than them. Try THAT instead of repeating their mistakes.

But you claim you want equality. You think MLK would be proud of your hatred? You can do anything you want in this world, if YOU stop letting white people hold you down. Failure is just a state of mind, kid.

My president is black and my lambo is blue, nigga.

 

[longmeat]

good lord

"easier said than done" is an understatement

do people realize how deep Haiti's problems were BEFORE the earthquake?

your first mistake was thinkin niggas on here have any common sense. niggas comparin to mcdonalds to crack and shit.

 

[musicology1985]

Wow man. You just went and wrote a lot of rebuttal. Okay let me dissect this.

You still harping on this "race dont exist" shit?

Of course. Because it doesn’t exist.

If it did not, you would not classify people with terms like "white" or "black". The academic world and most of society agrees that race exists.

White and Black are blanket terms used to house many ethnicities (not races) and is also used to denote legal status & spiritual level. No University Professor or Sociologists has ever proven that race actually exists. It’s all a fraud that you and many others have bought into.

I get your retarded stance that if white people would not have tried to become superior the constructs of inferiority would not exist,

That is not a retarded stance. It is the historical & factual truth. White Supremacy racism is the only thing that can be proven. All of the stuff you’re bringing to the table is fallacy.


but that doesnt change the fact that TODAY we use those same social constructs

Stop right there. Let me drop a quote on your dome:

Anthropology.net-To begin, a social construct is ontologically subjective, but epistemologically objective. It is ontologically subjective in that the construction and continued existence of social constructs are contingent on social groups and their collective agreement, imposition, and acceptance of such constructions (for more on the notion of social constructions see The Construction of Social Reality by John Searle). There is nothing absolute or real about social constructions in the same way as there is something absolute and real about rocks, rivers, mountains, and in general the objects examined by physics. For example, the existence of a mountain is not contingent on collective acceptance, imposition, or agreement. A mountain will exist regardless of people thinking, agreeing or accepting that it does exist. Unlike a mountain, the existence of race requires that people collectively agree and accept that it does exist. Franz Boas, a physicist by training, supports this view of race best in his work Race, Language, and Culture where he observes that there is nothing biologically real about race. There is nothing that we have identified as race that exists apart from our collective agreement, acceptance, and imposition of its existence.


So again, Race is not real. It’s a fraud, just like the people who created Racism & White Supremacy. Nationality & Ethnic group is real, not race. There is no Blackistan, White Republic, Brown Federation, Red State or Yellow Kingdom. Humans are not crayons.


to describe ourselves and other people. If you want to try and say there is no such thing as race, then the same can be said as far as social class goes.

This statement has no truth in it whatsoever.

If someone, somewhere, a long ass time ago had decided that their land was worth more than the next then the idea of wealth would not be around today.

Social class is not only about material possessions, that’s just what YOU CARE ABOUT MOST. In reality, our social organizations and classes are used to properly govern a Tribe, Clan, Ethnic Group, Nation or Geographical Region. In other words, all things that is real. Musicians, Artisans, Warriors, Homemakers, Cooks, Griots, Educators, Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Technicians, repair & maintenance people, Masons, Writers, Nobility, Politicians, Blue and White Collar workers are all divisions of social classes that encompasses all so-called races.

When you walk down the street and you see a pale faced person, you dont stop and ask them their ethnicity, you look at them and label them as a white guy. They could be from a 1000 different areas and still look like the average white American. You know you are guilty of this as we ALL are.

Mularky, this statement still does not prove the existence of race. Many so-called white people and so-called black people are the same complexion.

So, why try and refute the idea that a darker skinned person can look at a fairer skinned person and dislike them SOLELY because they are pale? Because you are fucking stupid. Grow UP, child.

Blah blah blah more empty rhetoric. No one ever judged Europeans and their Diasporas because of what they typically look like. They were originally accepted everywhere that they went. It’s all about what some of them did, the majority cosigning it and the implementation of a white supremacists system that they benefit from in the western world, and all formerly and currently conquered colonies and territories. It is very much deeper than what you choose to deal with. Everything that a culture or civilization puts out negative comes back. Western civilization taught the world to think this way and now some of them want out by trying to use white apologists such as you and whites themselves who can divert attention away from the source of the problem, which is of course, white supremacy racism.

Take a look at the "racist" south. There are hillbillies and rednecks in towns WAY off the main road that dont 1) own shit and 2) cant "oppress" their own children let alone black people. They certainly are not pulling the strings to keep black people down, but they are some of the most dangerous people there are because they will literally kill someone for being black. Reverse the situation, there are extremists on both sides.

No there are not extremists on both sides. Those are minor incidents that you are trying to blow up in order to get the prison industrial complex to come down on our people. But I agree that rednecks put in the work for higher ranking Caucasoids.

Look at you, calling some of these people crackas and uncle toms.

Because it’s true. It does not have to be politically correct to be true.

Look at either of those two links I posted. Full of blacks "hating" white people.

You are pathetic. Black people don’t hate people. You are grossly over exaggerating.

Why the hate is there is not the biggest issue,

WHAT? The root of the problem is always why. If you don’t get to the root you will never solve the problem. All you want to do is protect white people.

but the fact that it is there. People like you use "white" racism as a crutch

Nobody is using crutches here. I am pointing out the root of the problem by those that created it, which is something that you do not want to because it disturbs your comfort.


with the oppression shit. The best way to get back at those "closet" racists is to do better than them. Try THAT instead of repeating their mistakes.

Oppression is real. It does not hold me or you back from achieving the basics, but outside of that yeah, white supremacy oppression is real. I’m not afraid to acknowledge that fact like you are. Also, I am not repeating anyone’s mistakes. What I consider doing good and what you consider doing good are two different things.


But you claim you want equality.

We will never achieve EQUALITY without confronting white supremacy racism.


You think MLK would be proud of your hatred?

Hatred of what? And my people never followed MLK anyway, we followed Elijah & Malcolm.


You can do anything you want in this world, if YOU stop letting white people hold you down. Failure is just a state of mind, kid.

White people are not holding me down, but they do control the material system that we all operate in. They are the very same people that you owe allegiance to.


My president is black and my lambo is blue, nigga.

White Supremacy made your President and your Lambo you stupid mufucka lmao…

I WILL NOT STOP GOING AT THE ROOT CAUSES OF THESE PROBLEMS MAJOR.