Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[anthony7q]

By your argument then Anthony, which i agree with some, whites would also be considered as seperate groups. Their are billions of white people outside of America who didnt participate if gator bait and ****** q

True but IMO they all participate in white supremacy and enjoy the fruits of it's rewards. There's a reason why the European union was formed- to be united and to keep white European standards of living high.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

True but IMO they all participate in white supremacy and enjoy the fruits of it's rewards. There's a reason why the European union was formed- to be united and to keep white European standards of living high.

Whats the excuse for white people who stood and fought alongside blacks during civil rights, what about white people now who dont have issues with other races. Is it that every white person is evil and untrustworthy, or is just the elite high ranking 70 year old white men?

 

[anthony7q]

Whats the excuse for white people who stood and fought alongside blacks during civil rights, what about white people now who dont have issues with other races. Is it that every white person is evil and untrustworthy, or is just the elite high ranking 70 year old white men?

IMO whites are only friends with Blacks who are uncle toms. Still being an uncle tom only gets you so far. Look at what happened to Obama' friend from Harvard last year. There's still a presumption of guilt for blacks in America. [video=youtube;F9fGNIeCSck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9fGNIeCSck[/video]

 

[DarcSkies777]

The answer to all your questions is in a history book. White privledge in this country allows you to ask these moronic questions and still be taken seriously.

Your only question should be "where is the nearest library so I can learn about my evil ass ancestors on my own and see how their disgusting vile actions has negatively affect the world for all minorities and even some whites."

All other questions are just condescending white bullshit. Very annoying.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

You do realize that anyone over 45 remembers the time when black people were treated like less than human in this country and it was ok.
It's not like that type of thinking just goes away. 500+ years of your people thinking blacks are less than human and subordinate... do you think that thinking will go away in just 30 years?

 

[hrap-120]

The answer to all your questions is in a history book. White privledge in this country allows you to ask these moronic questions and still be taken seriously.

Your only question should be "where is the nearest library so I can learn about my evil ass ancestors on my own and see how their disgusting vile actions has negatively affect the world for all minorities and even some whites."

All other questions are just condescending white bullshit. Very annoying.

HEHE, I love this brutha, he keeps it short & sweet at times.

 

[hrap-120]

as I showed in The Reason forum earlier, today...

I like the Great White man, Dr. Robert Jensen, and his take on Blacks blaming da White man:

Here's what white privilege sounds like:

I am sitting in my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very conservative white student about affirmative action in college admissions, which he opposes and I support.

The student says he wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone. I ask him whether he thinks that in the United States being white has advantages. Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world run mostly by white people? Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call white privilege.

So, if we live in a world of white privilege--unearned white privilege--how does that affect your notion of a level playing field? I ask.

He paused for a moment and said, "That really doesn't matter."

That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white privilege: the privilege to acknowledge you have unearned privilege but ignore what it means.

That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism with students. It drove home to me the importance of confronting the dirty secret that we white people carry around with us everyday: In a world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white privilege.

White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has affected me.

I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the state's only numerically significant non-white population, American Indians.

I have struggled to resist that racist training and the ongoing racism of my culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix" myself, one thing never changes--I walk through the world with white privilege.

What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me--they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I'm white.

My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology.

Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them.

I am not a genius--as I like to say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching full-time for six years, and I've published a reasonable amount of scholarship. Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure, and some of it, I would argue, actually is worth reading. I work hard, and I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in awhile, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel guilty.

But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone. I benefited from, among other things, white privilege. That doesn't mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my life, I have soaked up benefits for being white. I grew up in fertile farm country taken by force from non-white indigenous people. I was educated in a well-funded, virtually all-white public school system in which I learned that white people like me made this country great. There I also was taught a variety of skills, including how to take standardized tests written by and for white people.

All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people. I was accepted for graduate school by white people. And I was hired for a teaching position at the predominantly white University of Texas, which had a white president, in a college headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.

There certainly is individual variation in experience. Some white people have had it easier than me, probably because they came from wealthy families that gave them even more privilege. Some white people have had it tougher than me because they came from poorer families. White women face discrimination I will never know. But, in the end, white people all have drawn on white privilege somewhere in their lives.

Like anyone, I have overcome certain hardships in my life. I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there. But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe that "merit," as defined by white people in a white country, alone got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard work, I got a significant boost from white privilege, which continues to protect me every day of my life from certain hardships.

At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that, because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me to those myths. Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.

I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are stacked in my benefit. I believe that until we let go of the fiction that people have complete control over their fate--that we can will ourselves to be anything we choose--then we will live with that fear. Yes, we should all dream big and pursue our dreams and not let anyone or anything stop us. But we all are the product both of what we will ourselves to be and what the society in which we live lets us be.

White privilege is not something I get to decide whether or not I want to keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am benefiting from white privilege. There is not space here to list all the ways in which white privilege plays out in our daily lives, but it is clear that I will carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased from this society.

Frankly, I don't think I will live to see that day; I am realistic about the scope of the task. However, I continue to have hope, to believe in the creative power of human beings to engage the world honestly and act morally. A first step for white people, I think, is to not be afraid to admit that we have benefited from white privilege. It doesn't mean we are frauds who have no claim to our success. It means we face a choice about what we do with our success.

Jensen is a professor in the School of Journalism in the University of Texas at Austin. He can be reached at rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu.

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[VIBE]

The answer to all your questions is in a history book. White privledge in this country allows you to ask these moronic questions and still be taken seriously.

Your only question should be "where is the nearest library so I can learn about my evil ass ancestors on my own and see how their disgusting vile actions has negatively affect the world for all minorities and even some whites."

All other questions are just condescending white bullshit. Very annoying.

Annoying? How so. It's a legitimate question towards the ones who feel this way.

Touchy subject I guess...

*shrugs*

no offense to anyone who I've pissed off, this shit irks me when I see excuses tossed up.

I got my answers sorta and I can see where the rest of them will lead. Can't ask a question without something popping off in a smart ass way here, shit gets defensive and blows up...

 

[universaltruth]

Annoying? How so. It's a legitimate question towards the ones who feel this way.

Touchy subject I guess...

*shrugs*

no offense to anyone who I've pissed off, this shit irks me when I see excuses tossed up.

I got my answers sorta and I can see where the rest of them will lead. Can't ask a question without something popping off in a smart ass way here, shit gets defensive and blows up...

What u need is Knowledge of Self my friend, get to kno who u are, get to kno where u kame from, look up what the people of the "white" race has done over the years so ukan atleast kum 2 sum understanding of what is being said in this thread. Do the knowledge and it will lead u to wisdom and in the end complete understanding.

 

[anthony7q]

If you have time I would suggest that youcheck out a book called always outnumbered, always outgunned by Walter Mosley or check out some clips from the movie.[video=youtube;ujgBmj79Ps4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujgBmj79Ps4[/video]

 

[VIBE]

What u need is Knowledge of Self my friend, get to kno who u are, get to kno where u kame from, look up what the people of the "white" race has done over the years so ukan atleast kum 2 sum understanding of what is being said in this thread. Do the knowledge and it will lead u to wisdom and in the end complete understanding.

I can appreciate an answer like THIS lol I haven't done shit to DarkSkies, yeah I know what type of poster he is, boo hoo I caught feelings waa waa waaaaa.

Anyway, thanks, I know I should do that. WITH that said, INSTEAD of going to my local library I can use the technology the white men have given me to make me more lazy and ask, any links for a good read like this??

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Your only question should be "where is the nearest library so I can learn about my evil ass ancestors on my own and see how their disgusting vile actions has negatively affect the world for all minorities and even some whites."

my ancestors never did nothing to blacks

i refuse to feel any guilt about anything i didn't do personally

and i don't use my status as a white male in america to do harm to anybody

so suck my dick

and oh yeah, i posted all them links about modern day slavery in Africa and yall had nothing to say about the "evils" of the blacks

because yall are hypocrites

and racists

damn

 

[universaltruth]

I can appreciate an answer like THIS lol I haven't done shit to DarkSkies, yeah I know what type of poster he is, boo hoo I caught feelings waa waa waaaaa.

Anyway, thanks, I know I should do that. WITH that said, INSTEAD of going to my local library I can use the technology the white men have given me to make me more lazy and ask, any links for a good read like this??

The only way 2 find knowledge of self is to do your own research, whether it be through the internet or through your local library. Just study areas that interest u and 1 way or another you'll kum across the truth, all u need is an open mind able 2 process it.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

IMO whites are only friends with Blacks who are uncle toms. Still being an uncle tom only gets you so far. Look at what happened to Obama' friend from Harvard last year. There's still a presumption of guilt for blacks in America. [video=youtube;F9fGNIeCSck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9fGNIeCSck[/video]

Absolute statements like the bold are the problem why conversations on race relations always break down. Come on, you're basically saying that no white person is capable of befriending a black on the quality of their character. That's silly. Now if you say that the white populace only feels comfortable embracing a Black that is an uncle tom, I'd agree. Although, I'd say that is a bit harsh too. It's probably more correct to say that the white populace only feels comfortable embracing "nonthreatening" Blacks, most of which are Uncle Toms. We as Blacks can't let white tactics seep into our methods of fighting for what's ours. After all, it's them that have tried to used sweeping generalizations and racial stereotypes to indict us as a race. If we use the same methods to expose their racism, we are only making ourselves hypocrites. We can comment on institutional racism and note the fact that every white person in America benefits from white supremacy without making it seem like every white person is a card carrying member of the Klan.

On another note, since the TC is questioning us. Answer this question. Why is it so hard for whites to admit that they benefit from their race? It's common sense. Whenever there is a majority of anything, that majority has control and exercises that control overtly and intrinsically. How can white people seriously believe that they've held the majority in the country for so long and it's never benefitted them at all? That's just silly.

and oh yeah, i posted all them links about modern day slavery in Africa and yall had nothing to say about the "evils" of the blacks

because yall are hypocrites

and racists

damn

Anthony wrote a pretty long response to your links.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Anthony wrote a pretty long response to your links.

no, he did not respond to the issue of slavery in africa at all. have another look. he went off on an unrelated tangent to avoid the discussion.

 

[anthony7q]

no, he did not respond to the issue of slavery in africa at all. have another look. he went off on an unrelated tangent to avoid the discussion.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Slavery is wrong no matter where it is. There's also slavery in Haiti. Right now I'm concerned about our people here in America. We have been here for about 400 years but we as a people still lag in every category behind all other ethnic groups. And you can thank the formation of the American Federation of Labor for that. This group was founded sometime after the Civil War and opened the flood gates for immigrants from all over the world to come to America and work manual labor union jobs that at that time only Blacks were doing. So over a period of years and decades the white immigrants from Ireland, England, Poland and other European countries push the Blacks aside. Consequently, the Blacks was pushed into working lower paying manufacturing jobs and service work. But wait. Here comes NAAFA and the illegal Mexicans. They damn near white so now the white folks are allowing them to take all the lower paying manufacturing, construction and service jobs. Now African Americans for the most part have nothing substaintial to give to the next generation. No wonder our kids are going crazy in the streets and killing themselves. For the most part they have no future. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting different results. We have kissed the butts of white people in America for too long. It's time for Blacks to get the hell out of America and build a good solid future for the next generation.

 

[anthony7q]

i made a huge post about slavery in modern africa and how it predates europeans and how its generational so you CANT marry into the tribe and your kids become slaves too, but then it said "moderator approval pending bla bla bla" so just go read these:

http://www.antislavery.org/includes/documents/cm_docs/2009/f/full_english_slavery_in_niger.pdf

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=53497

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=813618&page=1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/412628.stm

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Nigeria.htm

http://www.sos-sexisme.org/English/slavery.htm

http://www.africanholocaust.net/news_ah/ethiopianslavetrade.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1206_021205_salakkayak.html

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=52490

basically: africans are as evil as the white man but have less money to do evil with

Well I briefly looked over 3 of your links and can tell you right off the back that the Africans that are enslaved are under the control of white arabs. The Tuaregs are white Berbers. And that article about Timbuktu is borderline racist. Timbuktu is not known only for being a place where they practice withcraft. In ancient times Timbuktu was the intellectual center of the world. This is the first time I'm hearing that it's known for exoticisms. Also if you know anything about the Sudan you would know that today there's a civil war going on over the control of oil between the Africans in the South and the white Arabs in the North.

As for the girl slave that was given to the priest for sacrafice I'm not shocked that it's happening. In my view point it is wrong and shouldn't be happening. However you just cannot approach an African tribe and tell them to stop want they have been doing for centuries. It would probably take the intervention of other friendly localtribes to do that.

 

[hrap-120]

Well I briefly looked over 3 of your links and can tell you right off the back that the Africans that are enslaved are under the control of white arabs. The Tuaregs are white Berbers. And that article about Timbuktu is borderline racist. Timbuktu is not known only for being a place where they practice withcraft. In ancient times Timbuktu was the intellectual center of the world. This is the first time I'm hearing that it's known for exoticisms. Also if you know anything about the Sudan you would know that today there's a civil war going on over the control of oil between the Africans in the South and the white Arabs in the North.
As for the girl slave that was given to the priest for sacrafice I'm not shocked that it's happening. In my view point it is wrong and shouldn't be happening. However you just cannot approach an African tribe and tell them to stop want they have been doing for centuries. It would probably take the intervention of other friendly localtribes to do that.

The white-Jew will attempt to deflect away from white-Jew involement in every evil...its why he's on this Black website. Its his duty and responsiblity.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Well I briefly looked over 3 of your links and can tell you right off the back that the Africans that are enslaved are under the control of white arabs. The Tuaregs are white Berbers.

wrong.

heres some pics of tuaregs

In ancient times Timbuktu was the intellectual center of the world. This is the first time I'm hearing that it's known for exoticisms.

You can disagree with the author's opinion of modern Timbuktu but you are ignoring his report of Africans owning African slaves in the surrounding areas.

Also if you know anything about the Sudan you would know that today there's a civil war going on over the control of oil between the Africans in the South and the white Arabs in the North.

Everybody knows that. It does not take away from the fact that black Africans in that region are enslaving other black Africans.

you just cannot approach an African tribe and tell them to stop want they have been doing for centuries.

Yes you can. Just because they are African and have old traditions does not mean they have some right to continue their inhumane treatment of their fellow man.

 

[hrap-120]

The lengths that the jewlu will go to, remember what i said people.