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i saw is as a condemnation of the industrial military complex and imperialism and green.

And as far is it being about native americans....thats only because the storyline was stolen fro Dances with Wolves. Avatar was Dances w/ Wolves meets Pocahontas.
 
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i don't think the movie is racist but it is a big ass eco-friendly message movie. this guy who saw the movie was like "now i feel bad because its kinda what we're doing now with the rainforest"

i'm like "hell no the rainforest ain't nearly as cool as pandora is!"
 
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thecatthatdidntdie;678401 said:
i know that there are people out there who believe that and im curious as to why? I personally believe it is an intentional parallel to the native american plight. White people come in, they find something they want and the kill the natives to get at it. How is that racist at all? Its a story with a lesson to learn, and if you call it racist, you cant see the message implanted in it.

the thing is this.. As with mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyy other movies in hollywood..

There is always some white guy coming along to be the savior of people...

It took a white dude from another planet (or whatever) to save the exsistance of another people.. Like he is christ of some sort...

I dont know if racist is the word, but....
 
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Not even a week was Avatar out in theaters and there were black people protesting it as racist. No lie.

I don't see it as racist at all. The voice overs aren't racist either, they just need to get over it. It's always the same, "woe is me" thing. With movies, tv, commercials etc...

But I did see a McDonalds commercial recently and I sorta think it's racist. It had a black dude in it, and I'm not even black but thought that.
 
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it's one of those movies that make white people feel all good inside lol. it's a reimagination of history that makes a white man the savior.

someone wrote a decent article on this topic. i'll try to see if i can find it.
 
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When will white people stop making movies like Avatar?

http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-whi...es-like-avatar

Critics have called alien epic Avatar a version of Dances With Wolves because it's about a white guy going native and becoming a great leader. But Avatar is just the latest scifi rehash of an old white guilt fantasy. Spoilers...

Whether Avatar is racist is a matter for debate. Regardless of where you come down on that question, it's undeniable that the film - like alien apartheid flick District 9, released earlier this year - is emphatically a fantasy about race. Specifically, it's a fantasy about race told from the point of view of white people. Avatar and scifi films like it give us the opportunity to answer the question: What do white people fantasize about when they fantasize about racial identity?

Avatar imaginatively revisits the crime scene of white America's foundational act of genocide, in which entire native tribes and civilizations were wiped out by European immigrants to the American continent. In the film, a group of soldiers and scientists have set up shop on the verdant moon Pandora, whose landscapes look like a cross between Northern California's redwood cathedrals and Brazil's tropical rainforest. The moon's inhabitants, the Na'vi, are blue, catlike versions of native people: They wear feathers in their hair, worship nature gods, paint their faces for war, use bows and arrows, and live in tribes. Watching the movie, there is really no mistake that these are alien versions of stereotypical native peoples that we've seen in Hollywood movies for decades.

And Pandora is clearly supposed to be the rich, beautiful land America could still be if white people hadn't paved it over with concrete and strip malls. In Avatar, our white hero Jake Sully (sully - get it?) explains that Earth is basically a war-torn wasteland with no greenery or natural resources left. The humans started to colonize Pandora in order to mine a mineral called unobtainium that can serve as a mega-energy source. But a few of these humans don't want to crush the natives with tanks and bombs, so they wire their brains into the bodies of Na'vi avatars and try to win the natives' trust. Jake is one of the team of avatar pilots, and he discovers to his surprise that he loves his life as a Na'vi warrior far more than he ever did his life as a human marine.

Jake is so enchanted that he gives up on carrying out his mission, which is to persuade the Na'vi to relocate from their "home tree," where the humans want to mine the unobtanium. Instead, he focuses on becoming a great warrior who rides giant birds and falls in love with the chief's daughter. When the inevitable happens and the marines arrive to burn down the Na'vi's home tree, Jake switches sides. With the help of a few human renegades, he maintains a link with his avatar body in order to lead the Na'vi against the human invaders. Not only has he been assimilated into the native people's culture, but he has become their leader.

This is a classic scenario you've seen in non-scifi epics from Dances With Wolves to The Last Samurai, where a white guy manages to get himself accepted into a closed society of people of color and eventually becomes its most awesome member. But it's also, as I indicated earlier, very similar in some ways to District 9. In that film, our (anti)hero Wikus is trying to relocate a shantytown of aliens to a region far outside Johannesburg. When he's accidentally squirted with fluid from an alien technology, he begins turning into one of the aliens against his will. Deformed and cast out of human society, Wikus reluctantly helps one of the aliens to launch their stalled ship and seek help from their home planet.

If we think of Avatar and its ilk as white fantasies about race, what kinds of patterns do we see emerging in these fantasies?

In both Avatar and District 9, humans are the cause of alien oppression and distress. Then, a white man who was one of the oppressors switches sides at the last minute, assimilating into the alien culture and becoming its savior. This is also the basic story of Dune, where a member of the white royalty flees his posh palace on the planet Dune to become leader of the worm-riding native Fremen (the worm-riding rite of passage has an analog in Avatar, where Jake proves his manhood by riding a giant bird). An interesting tweak on this story can be seen in 1980s flick Enemy Mine, where a white man (Dennis Quaid) and the alien he's been battling (Louis Gossett Jr.) are stranded on a hostile planet together for years. Eventually they become best friends, and when the alien dies, the human raises the alien's child as his own. When humans arrive on the planet and try to enslave the alien child, he lays down his life to rescue it. His loyalties to an alien have become stronger than to his own species.

These are movies about white guilt. Our main white characters realize that they are complicit in a system which is destroying aliens, AKA people of color - their cultures, their habitats, and their populations. The whites realize this when they begin to assimilate into the "alien" cultures and see things from a new perspective. To purge their overwhelming sense of guilt, they switch sides, become "race traitors," and fight against their old comrades. But then they go beyond assimilation and become leaders of the people they once oppressed. This is the essence of the white guilt fantasy, laid bare. It's not just a wish to be absolved of the crimes whites have committed against people of color; it's not just a wish to join the side of moral justice in battle. It's a wish to lead people of color from the inside rather than from the (oppressive, white) outside.

Think of it this way. Avatar is a fantasy about ceasing to be white, giving up the old human meatsack to join the blue people, but never losing white privilege. Jake never really knows what it's like to be a Na'vi because he always has the option to switch back into human mode. Interestingly, Wikus in District 9 learns a very different lesson. He's becoming alien and he can't go back. He has no other choice but to live in the slums and eat catfood. And guess what? He really hates it. He helps his alien buddy to escape Earth solely because he's hoping the guy will come back in a few years with a "cure" for his alienness. When whites fantasize about becoming other races, it's only fun if they can blithely ignore the fundamental experience of being an oppressed racial group. Which is that you are oppressed, and nobody will let you be a leader of anything.

This is not a message anybody wants to hear, least of all the white people who are creating and consuming these fantasies. Afro-Canadian scifi writer Nalo Hopkinson recently told the Boston Globe:

In the US, to talk about race is to be seen as racist. You become the problem because you bring up the problem. So you find people who are hesitant to talk about it.

She adds that the main mythic story you find in science fiction, generally written by whites, "is going to a foreign culture and colonizing it."

Sure, Avatar goes a little bit beyond the basic colonizing story. We are told in no uncertain terms that it's wrong to colonize the lands of native people. Our hero chooses to join the Na'vi rather than abide the racist culture of his own people. But it is nevertheless a story that revisits the same old tropes of colonization. Whites still get to be leaders of the natives - just in a kinder, gentler way than they would have in an old Flash Gordon flick or in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars novels.

When will whites stop making these movies and start thinking about race in a new way?

First, we'll need to stop thinking that white people are the most "relatable" characters in stories. As one blogger put it:

By the end of the film you're left wondering why the film needed the Jake Sully character at all. The film could have done just as well by focusing on an actual Na'vi native who comes into contact with crazy humans who have no respect for the environment. I can just see the explanation: "Well, we need someone (an avatar) for the audience to connect with. A normal guy will work better than these tall blue people." However, this is the type of thinking that molds all leads as white male characters (blank slates for the audience to project themselves upon) unless your name is Will Smith.

But more than that, whites need to rethink their fantasies about race.

Whites need to stop remaking the white guilt story, which is a sneaky way of turning every story about people of color into a story about being white. Speaking as a white person, I don't need to hear more about my own racial experience. I'd like to watch some movies about people of color (ahem, aliens), from the perspective of that group, without injecting a random white (erm, human) character to explain everything to me. Science fiction is exciting because it promises to show the world and the universe from perspectives radically unlike what we've seen before. But until white people stop making movies like Avatar, I fear that I'm doomed to see the same old story again and again.

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PUPU_IZ_DRO;678653 said:
the thing is this.. As with mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyy other movies in hollywood..

There is always some white guy coming along to be the savior of people...

It took a white dude from another planet (or whatever) to save the exsistance of another people.. Like he is christ of some sort...

I dont know if racist is the word, but....

They only needed the white man to save them because a whole group of white men were trying to destroy them.......so how is that trying to make the white man a hero or "Christ" when he had to save them because of the white man?
 
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I think it was racist how they used all Black actors and a Native American to play the Na'vi (play on the word native).
Why werent white actors chosen to play the indigenous people?? Why didnt white actors get to voice-over the native people??

Reverse racism.

I didn't think this movie was specifically about Indians/Native-Americans, as some people assume it was, it was about aboriginal and indigenous peoples in general...and according to the casting I am most likely correct.

Casting all white characters as destructive warmongering neo-colonialist goons out of touch with nature is racist

Reverse Racism


I left the theater with a warm-fuzzy feeling in knowing that there is a kind-hearted white person out there that will save us "natives/Na'vi" from the wicked whites....

 
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hrap-120;679498 said:
I think it was racist how they used all Black actors and a Native American to play the Na'vi (play on the word native).

Why werent white actors chosen to play the indigenous people?? Why didnt white actors get to voice-over the native people??

Reverse racism.

I didn't think this movie was specifically about Indians/Native-Americans, as some people assume it was, it was about aboriginal and indigenous peoples in general...and according to the casting I am most likely correct.

Casting all white characters as destructive warmongering neo-colonialist goons out of touch with nature is racist

Reverse Racism


I left the theater with a warm-fuzzy feeling in knowing that there is a kind-hearted white person out there that will save us "natives/Na'vi" from the wicked whites....


You and I both know if it was voiced by all white people, still it would've gotten big hate because they would've found THAT racist. They would be saying, "Why couldn't a black person do it?"

Either way, it's ALWAYS going to be racist, it will NEVER fail.
 
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VIBE86;679540 said:
You and I both know if it was voiced by all white people, still it would've gotten big hate because they would've found THAT racist. They would be saying, "Why couldn't a black person do it?"

Either way, it's ALWAYS going to be racist, it will NEVER fail.

Yeah it dosent make too much sense having African-American's, and Native-American's play the roles of native people...Europeon actors like Clive Owen and Kate Winslett would have been better...

My personal favs

Yul Brenner playing "Ramses"
Elizabeth Talor playing "Cleopatra"
John Wayne playing "Genghis Khan"
Burt Lancaster playing "The Last Apache

I be right back Im watching David Carradine in Kung Fu on channel 12!!!!
 
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hrap-120;679498 said:
I think it was racist how they used all Black actors and a Native American to play the Na'vi (play on the word native).

Why werent white actors chosen to play the indigenous people?? Why didnt white actors get to voice-over the native people??

Reverse racism.

I didn't think this movie was specifically about Indians/Native-Americans, as some people assume it was, it was about aboriginal and indigenous peoples in general...and according to the casting I am most likely correct.

Casting all white characters as destructive warmongering neo-colonialist goons out of touch with nature is racist

Reverse Racism


I left the theater with a warm-fuzzy feeling in knowing that there is a kind-hearted white person out there that will save us "natives/Na'vi" from the wicked whites....


what is this reverse racism i keep hearing about? the very term is racist because it seems to imply that racism is whites hating on blacks, but really racism is any race hating another.
 
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TheCATthatdidntDIE;679823 said:
what is this reverse racism i keep hearing about? the very term is racist because it seems to imply that racism is whites hating on blacks, but really racism is any race hating another.

This is what reverse-racism is....... non-white on white.....everywhere the racist nigga goes on earth he shows racism towards other cultures...he is a beast.

Blacks are the most racist people on earth, I had one Black dude on the internet call me a "nigga" for no reason whatsoever.
 
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hrap-120;679860 said:
This is what reverse-racism is....... non-white on white.....everywhere the racist nigga goes on earth he shows racism towards other cultures...he is a beast.

Blacks are the most racist people on earth, I had one Black dude on the internet call me a "nigga" for no reason whatsoever.

i think you missed the point so ill say it again, racism is any race hating another race. racism, not whiteism or blackism or asianism. racism. i didnt defend the White government. you remind me of the people who say that black magic is called black magic because black people are bad as opposed to the fact that black is associated with night, as in darkness which is often considered scary and evil.
 
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and this movie Avatar is not about a white man coming in and taking over, its about a white man who is able to take race out of a situation and is able to defend what is right. the very fact that he was able to be accepted is much like the fact that native americans knew that there were white men who werent all bad. the White dude was able to understand the alien culture and fight for it, which shows that race isnt everything which was the point of this movie. it may be a white fantasy movie or it may be a teaching tool. it teaches that race doesnt matter. the main character saw the aliens as people, and treated them as one would. he literally walked in their shoes and decided to fight for them. and he couldnt just go back to being a white dude as all the white people turned on him
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676750 said:
Yeah your right, God doesn't like you. God loves you. Thats why He sent His Son to die for you on a rugged cross at Calvary. He bore your sins on Himself so that you could live. Make today the day your set free. Give your heart to Jesus Christ.

good god. i hate have to say this, but Jesus was not the only one to be crucified. it was happening all of the time.
 
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TheCATthatdidntDIE;680031 said:
good god. i hate have to say this, but Jesus was not the only one to be crucified. it was happening all of the time.

Not in the way he was...

And Step;677506 said:
Actually, your Bible says God hates too.

What fool God would give his son to die for the sins of a people who are still sinning that he promises to destroy because of said sinning.

You're right God hates but not the person, he hates the wicked ways of life in which people live in. Never once does the bible say he's hated a person. Sin isn't physically destroyed but spiritually. If you accept Him then when you die is it gone and forever forgiven.
 
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