Questions and Statements about God...

[alissowack]

has and hasnt are two differnt things.. i have been a hypocrite.. but thats when i was of course christian.. now i dont judge, critical yes! someone who judges, no! i never killed and i got love for everybody.. im more christian then christians..

and in fact it does matter what people think when their thoughts involve other people lives.. if christians worshipped and prayed in church or in their home and that was that.. i wouldnt have a problem jus as i wouldnt if two gays was fuckin in they house or a gay bar.. but when u go out and start forcing ur opinions on people and goin to war with people who refuse to take to ur beliefs there's a problem, do u not agree??

Maybe in common practice it matters what you or I think. However, when God is in charge, I can say whatever I think of you and it not matter. I can think that you are going to Hell, but is it truly my call to say something like that? It would be wrong for me to make a judgment like that because I don't know what God has for you. Besides, God is against that anyway (note to self: Don't be like Pat Roberstson). I can think that I'm going to Heaven but is it really my call, especially if I think that I've done everything "by the Good Book"?

Like I said, I am aware of the dark history of the faith. People have waged wars trying to convince people that what they think of God is true. However, they fought and in retrospect...they lost. We didn't live up to what we thought. Now, there is no reason to fear God because people like myself (well, maybe not quite like me) have forced upon the masses an understanding that is not God's understanding. But just because we are wrong, doesn't mean that God is wrong or God has no authority anymore.

 

[CapitalB]

Maybe in common practice it matters what you or I think. However, when God is in charge, I can say whatever I think of you and it not matter. I can think that you are going to Hell, but is it truly my call to say something like that? It would be wrong for me to make a judgment like that because I don't know what God has for you. Besides, God is against that anyway (note to self: Don't be like Pat Roberstson). I can think that I'm going to Heaven but is it really my call, especially if I think that I've done everything "by the Good Book"?

Like I said, I am aware of the dark history of the faith. People have waged wars trying to convince people that what they think of God is true. However, they fought and in retrospect...they lost. We didn't live up to what we thought. Now, there is no reason to fear God because people like myself (well, maybe not quite like me) have forced upon the masses an understanding that is not God's understanding. But just because we are wrong, doesn't mean that God is wrong or God has no authority anymore.

yeh I believe in a higher authority.. one word Karma.. i dont however believe in a god that sits here and worries himself about what the hell we are doin.. i dont see a god watchin our every move to make sure we're doing "his will" when he gave us "free will" to do whatever the fuck we want.. life is about balance.. its all around us.. nature.. ying and yang.. but religion is extremism and is whats wrong with the human populace..

 

[supaman4321]

Salaam Alaikum CapitalB, This is a question that i've also asked myself and I will try to convey my understanding according to my logic as well as verses from the Holy Qur'an.

Bottom line, everything in existence is from Allah because He is the only true Creator that exists, so a very simplistic view is that yes Good as well as Evil exist because He wills them to exist.

"Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you even if you are in fortresses built up strong and high!" And if some good reaches them, they say, "This is from Allāh," but if some evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you (O Muhammad SAW)." Say: "All things are from Allāh," so what is wrong with these people that they fail to understand any word? (An-Nisa 4:78)

Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allāh, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allāh is Sufficient as a Witness. (An-Nisa 4:79)

He does not enjoin evil because that would go against His nature and He would therefore be less than God

"The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof, but whoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allāh. Verily, He likes not the Zālimûn" (oppressors, polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.). (Ash-Shura 42:40)

on the contrary the true believers are commanded to hasten towards all that is good and repel evil with that which is good

For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allāh will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allāh is Able to do all things. (Al-Baqarah 2:148)

And those who remain patient, seeking their Lord's Countenance, perform As-Salāt (Iqāmat-as-Salāt), and spend out of that which We have bestowed on them, secretly and openly, and defend evil with good, for such there is a good end; (Ra'd 13:22)

insha'Allah i've cleared up your conundrum if you have any further questions about the verses that i've presented don't hesitate to ask.

 

[CapitalB]

Salaam Alaikum CapitalB, This is a question that i've also asked myself and I will try to convey my understanding according to my logic as well as verses from the Holy Qur'an.

Bottom line, everything in existence is from Allah because He is the only true Creator that exists, so a very simplistic view is that yes Good as well as Evil exist because He wills them to exist.

"Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you even if you are in fortresses built up strong and high!" And if some good reaches them, they say, "This is from Allāh," but if some evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you (O Muhammad SAW)." Say: "All things are from Allāh," so what is wrong with these people that they fail to understand any word? (An-Nisa 4:78)

Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allāh, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allāh is Sufficient as a Witness. (An-Nisa 4:79)

He does not enjoin evil because that would go against His nature and He would therefore be less than God

"The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof, but whoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allāh. Verily, He likes not the Zālimûn" (oppressors, polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.). (Ash-Shura 42:40)

on the contrary the true believers are commanded to hasten towards all that is good and repel evil with that which is good

For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allāh will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allāh is Able to do all things. (Al-Baqarah 2:148)

And those who remain patient, seeking their Lord's Countenance, perform As-Salāt (Iqāmat-as-Salāt), and spend out of that which We have bestowed on them, secretly and openly, and defend evil with good, for such there is a good end; (Ra'd 13:22)

insha'Allah i've cleared up your conundrum if you have any further questions about the verses that i've presented don't hesitate to ask.

i may be wrong but what i take from this text is that good things come from god and when bad shit happened u mustve done somethin wrong??! thats still takin blame away from god and the fact that, like u said, god creates all things... meanin the good and the bad.. and EVEN the bad is because of god.. meanin god is ALSO the devil..

dependin on what side of the cloud he wakes up on determines urday... maybe he got some good angel pussy so ull have a blessed day.. maybe he didnt or it was whack so he's go wreck some shit.. if u go give god credit for the good.. its only fair he takes credit for the bad is the point of my thread..

and that religion sucks! lol

still nothing from that gointoheaven dude.. *disappointed*

 

[supaman4321]

i may be wrong but what i take from this text is that good things come from god and when bad shit happened u mustve done somethin wrong??! thats still takin blame away from god and the fact that, like u said, god creates all things... meanin the good and the bad.. and EVEN the bad is because of god.. meanin god is ALSO the devil..

dependin on what side of the cloud he wakes up on determines urday... maybe he got some good angel pussy so ull have a blessed day.. maybe he didnt or it was whack so he's go wreck some shit.. if u go give god credit for the good.. its only fair he takes credit for the bad is the point of my thread..

and that religion sucks! lol

still nothing from that gointoheaven dude.. *disappointed*

I think you're misunderstanding, God is the most just and we are told in the Holy Qur'an that everyone will be repaid even worth an atom's weight of the good and bad that they have done in this world, this life is all a test so that when we stand before our Rabb on the day of judgement we can't say "oh I deserve to go to paradise I would have been good" because all of our deeds will be put fourth in front of us and we will have to answer to them so it will be clear who will be of those deserving of such a reward.

That Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds. (Az-Zalzalah 99:6)

So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it. (Az-Zalzalah 99:7)

And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it. (Az-Zalzalah 99:8)

Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested. (Al-'Ankabut 29:2)

And We indeed tested those who were before them. And Allāh will certainly make (it) known (the truth of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars, (although Allāh knows all that before putting them to test). (Al-'Ankabut 29:3)

Or those who do evil deeds think that they can outstrip Us (i.e. escape Our Punishment)? Evil is that which they judge! (Al-'Ankabut 29:4)

Whoever hopes for the Meeting with Allāh, then Allāh's Term is surely coming. and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (Al-'Ankabut 29:5)

And whosoever strives, he strives only for himself. Verily, Allāh is free of all wants from the 'Alamīn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists). (Al-'Ankabut 29:6)

God getting "angel pussy" (astaghfirullah!) has nothing to do with how your day will go because he is absolute in His knowledge and He knows best how to test the believers as well as the non-believers, it's not about not giving Him credit for the "bad" (which is a relative term anyway i'm pretty sure) it's about remembering Him in times of hardship as well as times of ease and striving to achieve success through patience and persevering in all that you do

And certainly, We shall test you with something of fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits, but give glad tidings to As-Sābirin (the patient ones, etc.). (Al-Baqarah 2:155)

Who, when afflicted with calamity, say: "Truly! To Allāh we belong and truly, to Him we shall return." (Al-Baqarah 2:156)

They are those on whom are the Salawāt (i.e. blessings, etc.) (i.e. who are blessed and will be forgiven) from their Lord, and (they are those who) receive His Mercy, and it is they who are the guided-ones. (Al-Baqarah 2:157)

Everyone shall taste death. And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception (a deceiving thing). (Aali Imran 3:185)

You shall certainly be tried and tested in your wealth and properties and in your personal selves, and you shall certainly hear much that will grieve you from those who received the Scripture before you (Jews and Christians) and from those who ascribe partners to Allāh, but if you persevere patiently, and become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2) then verily, that will be a determining factor in all affairs, and that is from the great matters, [which you must hold on with all your efforts]. (Aali Imran 3:186)

And if Allāh touches you with hurt, there is none who can remove it but He; and if He intends any good for you, there is none who can repel His Favour which He causes it to reach whomsoever of His slaves He will. And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Yunus 10:107)

Say: "O you mankind! Now truth (i.e. the Qur'ān and Prophet Muhammad SAW), has come to you from your Lord. So whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self, and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss, and I am not (set) over you as a Wakīl (disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidance)." (Yunus 10:108)

And (O Muhammad SAW), follow the inspiration sent unto you, and be patient till Allāh gives judgement. And He is the Best of judges. (Yunus 10:109)

this life is meant to be hard you're meant to struggle in this life so that you may earn the mercy and blessings of your Rabb in this life and more importantly the next, and you will without doubt receive full recompense for everything that you do good or bad

since you say "religion" sucks do you think that this life is all for nothing and that those who do good deeds and persevere through hardship are fools wasting their time and those that commit evil deeds and only follow their desires will not be payed in full for what they've done? Because what I'm told by God in the Holy Qur'an sounds strikingly similar to that "karma" word that I think I saw you throw around earlier. You receive the bad and good that you put fourth with your own hands into this world.

 

[getchamoneyrigh]

YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO HERE IS THE TRUTH ... THE MOST HIGH IS NOT DEALING WITH ANYONE BUT ISRAEL

WE ARE THE TRUE BIBLICAL ISRAELITES

THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL

JUDAH- American Blacks

BENJAMIN- West Indian Blacks

LEVI- Haitians

SIMEON- Dominicans

ZEBULON- Black Indians Guatemala to Panama(Mayans)

EPHRAIM- Puerto Ricans

MANASSEH- Cubans

GAD- Native-American Indians

REUBEN- Seminole Indians

ASHER- Columbia to Uruguay (Incas)

ISSACHAR- Mexicans (Aztecs)

NAPTHALI- Argentina/Chile

PEACE

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Hmm. So American Blacks are considered differerent and there are like 4 different groups of what is considered Native Americans? (Aztek, Inca, seminole) ect.? I do not get it. And how are Mexicans considered Aztecs but no considered Spanish? Also how are Haitians differant from dominicans. I mean its like 4 blocks away? Most of them come from the same place. Not to mention Puerto Ricans and Cubans.

This is not even logical.

 

[PapaJuice]

Have you seen The Matrix?
Angel Smith was explaining that humans love misery & negative emotions. They feed off of them.
Humans are not mammals, they replicate until they exploit and finish off all the resources and move somewhere else, similar to a VIRUS.
Angel Smith was also explaining that there was some type of creation of a perfect world with no bad but something happened. He doesn't know what.

The bible is a riddle & a test. The story of all the religions are all the same and have the same meanings. But I was taught that whoever has the power & controls the land, changes the name.

 

[kingblaze84]

Yes, you are right. I'm not a Christian because the Bible supports slavery and is therefore an evil book as far as I am concerned. I'm not perfect myself so I won't judge anyones beliefs. Personally, I believe God is half evil and half good. Just look at the earthquake in Haiti, hahahaha.....at the same time, I'm not really sure there is one god. There could be hundreds of gods for all we know. But if there is one god, he/she is definitely is at least half evil. I'm glad Bible passages back me up.

 

[kingblaze84]

God made plenty of mistakes....have you been watching the earthquake disaster in Haiti lately?

 

[kingblaze84]

I hope not, lol.....seriously, if God does hate Haiti, he must hate a lot of places. China gets earthquakes all the time, pretty much the whole side of Asia is one large earthquake zone. Either way, fuck god.

 

[kingblaze84]

that's my entire point, it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove the supernatural. Like I keep saying, there's as much proof as "God" doing all that shit as there is a giant 13 legged turtle with a eye patch and nike boots creating man because he ate some bad thai food.

It's the reason why no one in the scientific community takes Christian science serious. There's no proof on any level on any of it being true. For me to give credence to the biblical interpretation of creation (which requires 0 empirical evidence) I also have to give credence to scientology who says aliens came down and made us or some bullshit like that. Or the ancient greeks/romans belief of creation that said Erubus fucked Gaea and nutted out us or some shit....

Lol....powerful post. As far as the thread, no, god or the gods cannot be destroyed.....human beings won't allow it, even if this god character doesn't want to show himself in person.

 

[alissowack]

Unfortunately, evil and suffering exist and it is tragic to see how things have been going with Haiti. But, does it means that God made a mistake in this? Is it possible that maybe in this tragedy, that God is preparing something good or even testing those who think they know God? Nowadays, God isn't being believed in, it is being sold and people are looking at religions (especially Christianity) as a product that just doesn't work.

 

[Eternal Bachelor]

I can not believe how idiotic some people are. Do you know what causes earthquakes? It is not some God. Couple that with the buildings poorly designed structure. It was no pact with an imaginary Satan. It was no make believe God. That is not what causes earthquakes. As far as the New Orleans comment God does not create Hurricanes either.

its not so much idiocy....as it is ignorance and blind faith in bullshit religion...

 

[alissowack]

Is it so hard to think for yourself on anything?

What's wrong with that? Even your "independent" thinking is depended on something. It just may not be the Bible.

 

[CapitalB]

Yes, you are right. I'm not a Christian because the Bible supports slavery and is therefore an evil book as far as I am concerned. I'm not perfect myself so I won't judge anyones beliefs. Personally, I believe God is half evil and half good. Just look at the earthquake in Haiti, hahahaha.....at the same time, I'm not really sure there is one god. There could be hundreds of gods for all we know. But if there is one god, he/she is definitely is at least half evil. I'm glad Bible passages back me up.

exactly... u get my point.. christians and other religions will yell that "to god be the glory" bs ..and all im sayin is if god created everything and knows everything thats gonna happen "to god be the GORY" aswell! lol

@supaman4321 u sound like a christian... i dont see why u guys cant get along.. ur still missin the point of my thread.. THERE IS NO DEVIL ..god is to blame for all things both good and bad..
@Papajuice ..the matrix was my shit.. and religion could be seen as a key component of it.. but his problem was that only 99% of the people would ACCEPT the program.. and after time that 1% would rebell against the system and destroy its harmony.. like i said. life is about BALANCE.. when Neo got Powerful so did Smith.. in the matrix life was one big equation that had to be balanced..
@Jay exactly!

*still waiting on that"gointoheaven" dude* seem him post in other threads so i know he's been on.. classic case of using someone's WORD against them. haha

 

[Digicel_woman]

this is prob the dumbest question someone has asked EVER WTF

 

[alissowack]

Not to try to put words in Heaven's mouth, but the same type of thread was started in the old IC. Maybe he addressed it then and just doesn't want to go through all that again, or he just doesn't know how to answer it...who knows however. I have to say the the issue isn't about whether you used God's Word against him...it is whether or not your understanding of God's Word is correct.

Sure, those verses say what they say, but is it what they mean? Jesus faced this same issue in the Gospels where the Devil tried to get him to jump off a ledge and quoting God's Word to approve of it. However, Jesus quoted Scripture as well saying to not test the Lord.

To use these verses the way you are says to me that you have already come to your conclusions. You have your presuppositions and perspectives on life in place that no one can break you from them. Maybe you are looking for answers, but you are not going to look to the Bible for it for reasons that have nothing to do with book itself. You have probably been a part of or was told of ministers who is at the club on Saturday and praising the Lord on Sunday. Maybe there you have been betrayed by someone who said he or she was Christian. Who knows? But you already got what you need and there is nothing anybody can do about it.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Bdap i've already been down this road with you. You have a gripe against God because of the lifestyle you live. All non-believers are just like you. God condemns sin. This isn't rocket science. You know it, I know it, and everybody who has ever lived knows it. I pray that God will break you so that you can see the truth of the Lord. What will it profit you if you gain the whole world, but lose your own soul?

Bdap you have a date with death and you will not miss your appointment. Now you have 2 options my brother. You can either approach that day in total security by placing your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thus knowing that you will live forever with God. Or you can continue on in your foolish ways and approach that day with no security, hope, or comfort. Death is only the beginning my friend. Are you prepared for eternity or are all your treasures stored up in this life?

Wake up my brother. Be healed! Be comforted! Be cleansed! Be saved!

 

[cwill 420]

exactly... u get my point.. christians and other religions will yell that "to god be the glory" bs ..and all im sayin is if god created everything and knows everything thats gonna happen "to god be the GORY" aswell! lol

@supaman4321 u sound like a christian... i dont see why u guys cant get along.. ur still missin the point of my thread.. THERE IS NO DEVIL ..god is to blame for all things both good and bad..
@Papajuice ..the matrix was my shit.. and religion could be seen as a key component of it.. but his problem was that only 99% of the people would ACCEPT the program.. and after time that 1% would rebell against the system and destroy its harmony.. like i said. life is about BALANCE.. when Neo got Powerful so did Smith.. in the matrix life was one big equation that had to be balanced..
@Jay exactly!

*still waiting on that"gointoheaven" dude* seem him post in other threads so i know he's been on.. classic case of using someone's WORD against them. haha

Poor choice of words. 'g-d' is responsible but 'he' is not to blame, big difference.

 

[alissowack]

so lucifer wasn't a mistake?

No. David comitting adultery was not a mistake. Judas's betrayal of Jesus was not a mistake. They may have made the mistake, but God's Plan was not hendered any.