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'god' (well the biblical 'god') is all-knowing.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676219 said:
Like I said, God knows what HIS plan is. What he wants to happen and how he wants it to happen, but I do not think he knows what I will do next. I don't think he knew Adam & Eve would sin.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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VIBE86;676558 said:Like I said, God knows what HIS plan is. What he wants to happen and how he wants it to happen, but I do not think he knows what I will do next. I don't think he knew Adam & Eve would sin.
The lamb was slain before the foundation of the world my friend, so how could God not have known Adam and Eve would sin?
"8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Revelation 13:8
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Punisher__
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VIBE86;676558 said:Like I said, God knows what HIS plan is. What he wants to happen and how he wants it to happen, but I do not think he knows what I will do next. I don't think he knew Adam & Eve would sin.
He couldn't have known, because then it would contradict the entire notion of free will.
God didn't know Adam & Eve would sin, but that doesn't mean he can't be all-knowing. It's just knowing all that can be known.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Punisher__;676701 said:He couldn't have known, because then it would contradict the entire notion of free will.
God didn't know Adam & Eve would sin, but that doesn't mean he can't be all-knowing.
Ridiculous. Of course God knew that they would sin. And it does not negate free will. God gave Adam and Eve a test of obedience. They failed that test because they WILLINGLY choose to disobey the command of God.
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ThaChozenWun
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676709 said:Ridiculous. Of course God knew that they would sin. And it does not negate free will. God gave Adam and Eve a test of obedience. They failed that test because they WILLINGLY choose to disobey the command of God.
If he KNEW they'd sin where was the choice? They were destined to sin, nothin could have changed it if he knew they would.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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ThaChozenWun;676717 said:If he KNEW they'd sin where was the choice? They were destined to sin, nothin could have changed it if he knew they would.
The choice was Adam and Eve obeying God. Adam and Eve didn't know that they would disobey. But guess what? They did. Even in a perfect enviornment with perfectly created creatures, mankind still disobeyed God. This just goes to show you the deceitfulness of sin. Thats why the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. God knows everything and He is working out a plan according to His will and purpose. Glory to the King!
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Punisher__
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676709 said:Ridiculous. Of course God knew that they would sin. And it does not negate free will. God gave Adam and Eve a test of obedience. They failed that test because they WILLINGLY choose to disobey the command of God.
Faulty theology.
The idea of omniscience is not compatible with free will. Prior to creating humanity, God would have already known everything everyone would ever think and do, thus precluding any impact whatsoever by human decisions and actions,...which would make the creation pretty pointless.
Why go through the meaningless exercise of actual creation when you know in advance how it's going to play out?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Punisher__;676747 said:Faulty theology.
The idea of omniscience is not compatible with free will. Prior to creating humanity, God would have already known everything everyone would ever think and do, thus precluding any impact whatsoever by human decisions and actions,...which would make the creation pretty pointless.
Why go through the meaningless exercise of actual creation when you know in advance how it's going to play out?
"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35
Because He is God. God does whatever He wants my friend. When you are sovereign, you do not have to answer to anybody. Do you think God has to hand in a quarterly report about His actions to anybody? LOL. God is God. He does as He wills.
"But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases." Psalm 115:3
Thank God that He gave you life my friend. If it wasn't for God giving you life, you would be non-existant. But God has a purpose for you, thus He created you. Ask God into your heart so that you can be the true human being that God crested you to be. Hallelujah to the King!
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Dinosaurs, why were they created if they were to be deemed non fit to earth? Man couldn't have walked aside Dinosaurs because Dinosaurs would've killed us all, they were almost completely wiped off the plate. So, if God knew this in advance, why were THEY created? It makes no sense. It was a pointless creation.
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BiblicalAtheist
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VIBE86;676811 said:Dinosaurs, why were they created if they were to be deemed non fit to earth? Man couldn't have walked aside Dinosaurs because Dinosaurs would've killed us all, they were almost completely wiped off the plate. So, if God knew this in advance, why were THEY created? It makes no sense. It was a pointless creation.
Maybe the concept of god is flawed.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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VIBE86;676811 said:Dinosaurs, why were they created if they were to be deemed non fit to earth? Man couldn't have walked aside Dinosaurs because Dinosaurs would've killed us all, they were almost completely wiped off the plate. So, if God knew this in advance, why were THEY created? It makes no sense. It was a pointless creation.
Man has deceived you into believing that dinosaurs were carnivours beasts. This is what happens when you don't know the word of God for yourself. You are open to all types of deception and deceit. God originally made animals and mankind to be vegetarians.
“Then God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food '; and it was so.” Genesis 1:29-30
Study to show yourself approved my friend. These are the last days and the deception will only continue to increase.
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supaman4321
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In Islam there is "Al-Qadar" or the Divine Decree which has four major points or beliefs that reconcile omniscience/free will/pre-destination
1 – Belief that Allaah knows all things, in general terms and in detail, from eternity to eternity. Not a single atom is unknown to Him in the heavens or on earth.
2 – Belief that Allaah has decreed all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz, fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth.
3 – Belief that the will of Allaah is irresistable and His decree is comprehensive, so nothing happens in this universe, good or bad, but by His will.
4 – Belief that all that exists was created by Allaah. He is the Creator of all beings and the Creator of their attributes and actions
that's it in a nutshell i'm kinda in a rush now so i'll try and stop back by later to further elaborate if necessary you can check these http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/49004 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/34732 websites out for a very detailed explanation as well as for any questions about Islam or Islams views on a particular subject.
Salam
1 – Belief that Allaah knows all things, in general terms and in detail, from eternity to eternity. Not a single atom is unknown to Him in the heavens or on earth.
2 – Belief that Allaah has decreed all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz, fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth.
3 – Belief that the will of Allaah is irresistable and His decree is comprehensive, so nothing happens in this universe, good or bad, but by His will.
4 – Belief that all that exists was created by Allaah. He is the Creator of all beings and the Creator of their attributes and actions
that's it in a nutshell i'm kinda in a rush now so i'll try and stop back by later to further elaborate if necessary you can check these http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/49004 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/34732 websites out for a very detailed explanation as well as for any questions about Islam or Islams views on a particular subject.
Salam
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Punisher__
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676785 said:"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35
Because He is God. God does whatever He wants my friend. When you are sovereign, you do not have to answer to anybody. Do you think God has to hand in a quarterly report about His actions to anybody? LOL. God is God. He does as He wills.
"But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases." Psalm 115:3
Thank God that He gave you life my friend. If it wasn't for God giving you life, you would be non-existant. But God has a purpose for you, thus He created you. Ask God into your heart so that you can be the true human being that God crested you to be. Hallelujah to the King!
Simply saying "Because he's God" doesn't answer the question, my son. LOL
Predestination means everything is determined by God.
Ephesians 1:11 “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Psalm 139:16 “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”
Proverbs 16:33 “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.”
This completely goes against the notion of free will, as if it has already been determined by God, nothing is in our hands. God already did it.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Punisher__;676866 said:Simply saying "Because he's God" doesn't answer the question, my son. LOL
Predestination means everything is determined by God.
Ephesians 1:11 “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Psalm 139:16 “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”
Proverbs 16:33 “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.”
This completely goes against the notion of free will, as if it has already been determined by God, nothing is in our hands. God already did it.
Everything is in our hands. You can change your eternal destiny right now if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. You have the FREE WILL to do so.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676845 said:Man has deceived you into believing that dinosaurs were carnivours beasts. This is what happens when you don't know the word of God for yourself. You are open to all types of deception and deceit. God originally made animals and mankind to be vegetarians.
“Then God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food '; and it was so.” Genesis 1:29-30
Study to show yourself approved my friend. These are the last days and the deception will only continue to increase.
In Leviticus God explains about a fire breathing dragon or even dinosaur whatever, he says no man can take him. His teeth are sharp and all....
Sharp teeth are a cutting instrument, it's cuts, chews it's food, which would be meat. The plant eating dinos had flat teeth. Man hasn't deceived us the believe in carnivores existed because they did. I've never seen an Alligator eat a plant, nor a Lion. So that verse cannot be true.
Either way, why didn't we walk with them? What was the point of their creation?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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VIBE86;676886 said:In Leviticus God explains about a fire breathing dragon or even dinosaur whatever, he says no man can take him. His teeth are sharp and all....
Sharp teeth are a cutting instrument, it's cuts, chews it's food, which would be meat. The plant eating dinos had flat teeth. Man hasn't deceived us the believe in carnivores existed because they did. I've never seen an Alligator eat a plant, nor a Lion. So that verse cannot be true.
Either way, why didn't we walk with them? What was the point of their creation?
On a serious note my brother, do you even study the Bible? I thought you were a believer?
The reason why you don't see lions or alligators eating veggies today is because after the flood God gave the command to man and beast that all flesh could be consumed. Prior to the flood man and beast were herbivores. After the flood man and beast became carnivores. I mean this is elementary biblical knowledge my friend.
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theillestrator
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676915 said:On a serious note my brother, do you even study the Bible? I thought you were a believer?
The reason why you don't see lions or alligators eating veggies today is because after the flood God gave the command to man and beast that all flesh could be consumed. Prior to the flood man and beast were herbivores. After the flood man and beast became carnivores. I mean this is elementary biblical knowledge my friend.
if that doesn't scream nonsense to you then i don't know what will.
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Punisher__
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theillestrator;676925 said:if that doesn't scream nonsense to you then i don't know what will.
LOL
c h a r a c t e r s
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Focal Point
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676256 said:God declares the end from the beginning. How is He not all knowing? When He knows the outcome before it even happens?
I am more than willing to explain biblical texts, but I mean Isaiah 46-9-10 is not a very hard passage to understand.
did that or did that not answer the questions he posted... yes or no???
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