ThaChozenWun
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;666751 said:
Its everywhere, paintings, writings, your holy bible.
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Its everywhere, paintings, writings, your holy bible.
DoUwant2go2Heaven
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ThaChozenWun;666755 said:
Eleborate please. Especially in regards to the Holy Bible containing such information.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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And Step;666791 said:
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:20
No excuse buddy. The proof is in the pudding
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ThaChozenWun
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;666909 said:
Read everything Ive posted in the thread so far.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;666646 said:
You see though, there's plenty of people who look at the bible and Christianity and say the same exact thing. You can't say it's silly and ask if it's a joke, because you know how it is when you're attack for your beliefs. Don't attack bro, just discuss. It's open and it's not wrong to see and be interested and want to explore other possibilities.
Read the thread from the beginning, it isn't too much to read my dude. Then you will see how this came about. Not only that, but if you do watch tv at times, watch the History channel and catch this series, "Ancient Aliens". If you want to know how this theory is, watch ALL those episodes then you will see what we're talking about. If you have On Demand, look for it on History On Demand, I'm sure it's there. If not, find it online.
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It's impossible.
I feel he only knows HIS agenda, when he wants to end this whole creation. The reason is sin. If God knew Adam and Eve were to sin, he could've protected all that. He created us to worship him, a God who wanted to be known for his creation.
but his plan backfired when an angel decided to throw everything back in his face. If God knew that was coming, God should've destroyed him then. Then Adam and Eve are tempted to sin, which he could've stopped from happening.
Also, why the different bone structure of humans? Were Adam and Eve cave man looking? If so, then that is God's image? A cave man? Then, those guys are scrapped and us, the humans of many and many years are created and we're the perfect batch. Why not make us like this from the beginning?
Not to mention, dinosaurs. He scrapped them because it wasn't right, he didn't make what he wanted. If he would've known that in the beginning, he wouldn't have even took the time to make them.
If he was all knowing, he would've straightened all this out. My belief is the writers just perceived him as all knowing, he only really talks about HIS CREATION. I mean, if I created something, I would too know everything there is to know about it. That doesn't make God all knowing though. He just knows what he wants to do.
I feel he only knows HIS agenda, when he wants to end this whole creation. The reason is sin. If God knew Adam and Eve were to sin, he could've protected all that. He created us to worship him, a God who wanted to be known for his creation.
but his plan backfired when an angel decided to throw everything back in his face. If God knew that was coming, God should've destroyed him then. Then Adam and Eve are tempted to sin, which he could've stopped from happening.
Also, why the different bone structure of humans? Were Adam and Eve cave man looking? If so, then that is God's image? A cave man? Then, those guys are scrapped and us, the humans of many and many years are created and we're the perfect batch. Why not make us like this from the beginning?
Not to mention, dinosaurs. He scrapped them because it wasn't right, he didn't make what he wanted. If he would've known that in the beginning, he wouldn't have even took the time to make them.
If he was all knowing, he would've straightened all this out. My belief is the writers just perceived him as all knowing, he only really talks about HIS CREATION. I mean, if I created something, I would too know everything there is to know about it. That doesn't make God all knowing though. He just knows what he wants to do.
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Punisher__
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It really just depends on how you define "all-knowing." To be omniscient doesn't necessarily mean having the capacity to know everything, infinitely. In some arenas, it can simply mean having the capacity to know everything that CAN be known. Can God really know what's going to happen, if it hasn't happened yet?
The only way for God to have known what actions his creations were going to partake in, he would have had to know the future. But the "future" isn't some thing out there somewhere. It doesn't exist. And technically speaking, you can't know something that's non-existent.
For example, God doesn't know what I'm going to eat for dinner tomorrow because it's not a real thing.
The only way for God to have known what actions his creations were going to partake in, he would have had to know the future. But the "future" isn't some thing out there somewhere. It doesn't exist. And technically speaking, you can't know something that's non-existent.
For example, God doesn't know what I'm going to eat for dinner tomorrow because it's not a real thing.
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ThaChozenWun
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To me all knowing would also mean the ability the know the future considering he speaks of whats going to happen "in the end of times", but for him to be all knowing he would have to not really care about people sinning because he knows its happening and still lets it, he should know the devil is going to corrupt most of us before the final showdown yet lets it happen, his whole us havin free will things would be false.
Also I hate to keep openin this door but
Alien theory explains this area greatly, sure aliens seem crazy, but how and why can they piece together a perfectly fitting explanation and nothing else can? Scientist can describe and solve evolution, but they havent been able to figure out why we so quickly developed just one part of the brain that does so much for us now.
Or a comet hit and killed them.
Dont wanna keep on the alien theory so hows this
What if the devil was really god? The devils a deciever, a great one, so whos to say he didnt decieve people into thinkin he was a god? Angels having sex with aliens? What about if it was demons? Seems more plausible.
Also I hate to keep openin this door but
VIBE86;673767 said:
Alien theory explains this area greatly, sure aliens seem crazy, but how and why can they piece together a perfectly fitting explanation and nothing else can? Scientist can describe and solve evolution, but they havent been able to figure out why we so quickly developed just one part of the brain that does so much for us now.
VIBE86;673767 said:
Or a comet hit and killed them.
VIBE86;673767 said:
Dont wanna keep on the alien theory so hows this
What if the devil was really god? The devils a deciever, a great one, so whos to say he didnt decieve people into thinkin he was a god? Angels having sex with aliens? What about if it was demons? Seems more plausible.
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The dilemma might be that people hold many value to a mis interpertated/translated scroll(s). like reading the 'koran' in english: the intense poetry/songs are lost in translation. the comrades that wrote it aren' t here anymore to explain what they meant as well. 'early' christians did not bump the bible.....the prophets did not bump the bible. put things into context and realize that God is in you, if you seek pelgrimage, just shut up. gain physical and spiritual independence by being yourself, question everything and go with feelings you cant describe with words. You die alone, everything is about You. thats why God is allknowing because you are it.
words can be deceiving, communication can be flawed. This 'God' = Reality. as stated something that has NO beginning, no end, no creator, linaire & circulair time combined. How can one speak of logic regarding that or apply simple reason to that?....
words can be deceiving, communication can be flawed. This 'God' = Reality. as stated something that has NO beginning, no end, no creator, linaire & circulair time combined. How can one speak of logic regarding that or apply simple reason to that?....
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Punisher__;673834 said:
This is what I'm speaking of, being a God that knows the future as in what I am going to do within the next hour or so.
My church, churches I've gone to all have said, God knows what you're thinking, going to say etc. I just don't believe it, it's impossible. Like I said, why allow all those mistakes? God should be perfect and he isn't. His creations failed, they weren't perfect.
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Depends on how you see God.
Some see God as an Individual. Some see God as a collective working in unison for a common cause.
Henry Ford didn't know everything about the automobile, yet he could summon people at a moments notice who could tell everything.
God is closer to you than your jugular vein.
Some see God as an Individual. Some see God as a collective working in unison for a common cause.
Henry Ford didn't know everything about the automobile, yet he could summon people at a moments notice who could tell everything.
God is closer to you than your jugular vein.
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Punisher__
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VIBE86;674242 said:
People make the mistake of taking "omniscient" too literally.
The future doesn't exist, because time most likely doesn't exist. There simply is just "being."
All-knowing is knowing everything that can be known. Not only including notions of what can be (or what's going to happen) because these are not real things.
God can be "perfect", but he gave us free will. And the only way that we can really have free will is if God is completely oblivious to the actions that we're going to partake in, post-creation. He didn't know Eve was going to sin. He most likely found out when she did...when it happened.
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And Step;674400 said:
that's pretty close.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;676219 said:
wait... huh? That didn't answer anything...
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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c1up;676234 said:
God declares the end from the beginning. How is He not all knowing? When He knows the outcome before it even happens?
I am more than willing to explain biblical texts, but I mean Isaiah 46-9-10 is not a very hard passage to understand.
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