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solid analysis;345249 said:
I'mgoing, basically he's asking why does God require blood for forgiveness. Why not just offer the gift of forgiveness without the payment of blood?

Well if God is righteous, which He is, then a righteous God must carry out the just punishment for sin. God has declared that the wages of sin is death. So how can God in His righteousness save a sinner from eternal damnation? Well here is scripture to tell us.

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11

The righteous blood of Christ is the only way for God to look pass the sins of man and declare him righteous in His sight. When God looks at a man who has trusted in the sacrifice of Christ on their behalf, God sees the blood of Christ instead of the sinner. No longer does the sin of that man condemn that man. The sin of that man is washed away in the perfect sinless blood of Christ.

God the Creator has declared that only BLOOD is sufficient for forgiveness. God has established this RULE because He is God and He does as He pleases. Why does God only require blood for forgiveness? Only God knows that. But on the same hand, ONLY GOD PAID THE PRICE.

God made the rule and God made the way. God send His Son to die on our behalf. God did not have to do this. God was not required to save mankind. But God did it because He loves mankind. He loves His creation. When He created us he said that it was GOOD. Everything God does is GOOD. He is loving, merciful, kind, gracious, slow to anger, holy, righteous, and just. God can do no wrong.

This is eternal salvation at stake here. This isn't the mickey mouse club. This isn't a trip to IHOP at stake here. This is the destiny of your ETERNAL SOUL on the line here.

How you respond to the precious shed blood of Jesus Christ will determine where you spend all of eternity. I mean some people just have no clue when it comes to what is really taking place here.

Sometimes I just get frustrated because people are so stubborn, stiff-neck, prideful, and rebellious that they would rather argue and fuss over things so meaningless and trivial, instead of CRYING OUT FOR FORGIVNESS AND ASKING THE LORD TO SAVE THEM.

I just can't even imagine how many people will stand before God on the last day for pure stupidity. I mean it is going to be really pathetic to see the countless souls who will be damned for all eternity because they refused to come Gods way because they thought there way was better. It's just so dumb and stupid.

Im done....
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;346865 said:
Why does God only require blood for forgiveness? Only God knows that.

I'll consider that an admission of your inability to explain a core concept of Christianity that makes zero sense and opposes logic. Like I said before, you're talking about a being who is supposedly infinitely loving, who loves everyone on Earth infinitely more than a mother loves her newborn child, yet refuses to forgive anyone for the slightest wrongdoing unless innocent blood is spilled.

You're telling me he sat around for thousands of years, commanding that people slaughter animals every time they sinned (animals that perhaps could have been better used to feed the starving), and then finally decided that the torturous, agonizingly slow death of a sinless and all-loving man would be enough to appease him for all eternity.

And then you act like he's so selfless for "paying the price"... a "price" that he made up. If he is all-powerful, he has the power to forgive without bloodshed. He just chooses not to. Therefore, he must have some kind of appreciation for/fascination with violence. How else can you explain an all-powerful deity deliberately setting up the laws of the universe so that no one can be forgiven without the spilling of blood?

If you can stomach that and somehow rationalize it in your own mind, more power to you... meanwhile, if anyone cares to try to explain the logic behind this idea, feel free...
 
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@t/s, please excuse my bro. "i'm goin", he knows not what he speaks of, when it comes to the Word of GOD, he is best fit to defend religion know as christianity, but not the Word.... that's the reason he can't answer your question directly, he has a lack of understanding BUT just to answer your question

sacrifices never appeased GOD, obedience does.... BUT the consquences for sin is death & sin is the transgressing of the LORDs law...(most christians couldn't even tell you what sin is), So instead of killing off the Israelites for their sins, he allowed them to scarifice animals to forgive their sins, not to remove sin (since the blood of bulls & goat cannot remove sins), when he allowed them to do so he had stipulations on what type of animal should be scarificed & what group of people could offer the scarifice (which were the high priest, Levities) to him.

Now when these scarifices were going on the blood of the animals were only a temporary solution to forgive sins, so even though one may live according to the law & commandments one could still end up in the Lake of fire (which is the 2nd death that's spoken of in revelations) again since the blood of animals couldn't remove sin. BUT the LORD came up w/the permanent solution to avoid the 2nd death with his scarifice (the creator was the only person that could come in the flesh & die for the sins of the world, since he is sinless) & after his death the law of animal scarifices along w/the leviticual priesthood was done away with (that's why it states the veil was rent/torn at his death), the veil is what they sprinkled the blood on, since the law of animal sacrifice was over with the veil was no longer needed...

Now anyone who repents & starts living according to the Word (following in HIS laws,commandments & statues) & gets baptized will come under the blood of Jesus & ALL of your prior sins are forgiven not future sins...that's why obedience is the key to salvation.... because once your baptized under his blood that's it, there's no more scarifices for your sins.

people may sin in ignorance but that's not the sins you will be puinshed for, we will be punished for WILLFULLY sinning AFTER we've found out what sins are according to the LORD,(no what we want sin to be)... He laid everything out in his Word for us to live by & according to, but "scc" do away with his laws & commandments ALL the time & feel their the ones that will be blessed or "saved" by the Most High (they have another thing coming, it won't be nice)

that was just a quick answer, I could provide scriptures for you as well, so you can read for yourself..

Peace!
 
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Israelites;349513 said:
@t/s, please excuse my bro. "i'm goin", he knows not what he speaks of, when it comes to the Word of GOD, he is best fit to defend religion know as christianity, but not the Word.... that's the reason he can't answer your question directly, he has a lack of understanding BUT just to answer your question

sacrifices never appeased GOD, obedience does.... BUT the consquences for sin is death & sin is the transgressing of the LORDs law...(most christians couldn't even tell you what sin is), So instead of killing off the Israelites for their sins, he allowed them to scarifice animals to forgive their sins, not to remove sin (since the blood of bulls & goat cannot remove sins), when he allowed them to do so he had stipulations on what type of animal should be scarificed & what group of people could offer the scarifice (which were the high priest, Levities) to him.

Now when these scarifices were going on the blood of the animals were only a temporary solution to forgive sins, so even though one may live according to the law & commandments one could still end up in the Lake of fire (which is the 2nd death that's spoken of in revelations) again since the blood of animals couldn't remove sin. BUT the LORD came up w/the permanent solution to avoid the 2nd death with his scarifice (the creator was the only person that could come in the flesh & die for the sins of the world, since he is sinless) & after his death the law of animal scarifices along w/the leviticual priesthood was done away with (that's why it states the veil was rent/torn at his death), the veil is what they sprinkled the blood on, since the law of animal sacrifice was over with the veil was no longer needed...

Now anyone who repents & starts living according to the Word (following in HIS laws,commandments & statues) & gets baptized will come under the blood of Jesus & ALL of your prior sins are forgiven not future sins...that's why obedience is the key to salvation.... because once your baptized under his blood that's it, there's no more scarifices for your sins.

people may sin in ignorance but that's not the sins you will be puinshed for, we will be punished for WILLFULLY sinning AFTER we've found out what sins are according to the LORD,(no what we want sin to be)... He laid everything out in his Word for us to live by & according to, but "scc" do away with his laws & commandments ALL the time & feel their the ones that will be blessed or "saved" by the Most High (they have another thing coming, it won't be nice)

that was just a quick answer, I could provide scriptures for you as well, so you can read for yourself..

Peace!

pretty good Explaination
 
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Israelites;349513 said:
@t/s, please excuse my bro. "i'm goin", he knows not what he speaks of, when it comes to the Word of GOD, he is best fit to defend religion know as christianity, but not the Word.... that's the reason he can't answer your question directly, he has a lack of understanding BUT just to answer your question

sacrifices never appeased GOD, obedience does.... BUT the consquences for sin is death & sin is the transgressing of the LORDs law...(most christians couldn't even tell you what sin is), So instead of killing off the Israelites for their sins, he allowed them to scarifice animals to forgive their sins, not to remove sin (since the blood of bulls & goat cannot remove sins), when he allowed them to do so he had stipulations on what type of animal should be scarificed & what group of people could offer the scarifice (which were the high priest, Levities) to him.

Now when these scarifices were going on the blood of the animals were only a temporary solution to forgive sins, so even though one may live according to the law & commandments one could still end up in the Lake of fire (which is the 2nd death that's spoken of in revelations) again since the blood of animals couldn't remove sin. BUT the LORD came up w/the permanent solution to avoid the 2nd death with his scarifice (the creator was the only person that could come in the flesh & die for the sins of the world, since he is sinless) & after his death the law of animal scarifices along w/the leviticual priesthood was done away with (that's why it states the veil was rent/torn at his death), the veil is what they sprinkled the blood on, since the law of animal sacrifice was over with the veil was no longer needed...

Now anyone who repents & starts living according to the Word (following in HIS laws,commandments & statues) & gets baptized will come under the blood of Jesus & ALL of your prior sins are forgiven not future sins...that's why obedience is the key to salvation.... because once your baptized under his blood that's it, there's no more scarifices for your sins.

people may sin in ignorance but that's not the sins you will be puinshed for, we will be punished for WILLFULLY sinning AFTER we've found out what sins are according to the LORD,(no what we want sin to be)... He laid everything out in his Word for us to live by & according to, but "scc" do away with his laws & commandments ALL the time & feel their the ones that will be blessed or "saved" by the Most High (they have another thing coming, it won't be nice)

that was just a quick answer, I could provide scriptures for you as well, so you can read for yourself..

Peace!

Hebrews 10 kjv (v1 referring to the law of animal scarifice)

1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins

Revelation 21:5-8 kjv

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John 3:15-17 (King James Version)

15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Matthew 19:16-18 (King James Version) v17-eternal life

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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Israelites;349513 said:
@t/s, please excuse my bro. "i'm goin", he knows not what he speaks of, when it comes to the Word of GOD, he is best fit to defend religion know as christianity, but not the Word.... that's the reason he can't answer your question directly, he has a lack of understanding BUT just to answer your question

sacrifices never appeased GOD, obedience does.... BUT the consquences for sin is death & sin is the transgressing of the LORDs law...(most christians couldn't even tell you what sin is), So instead of killing off the Israelites for their sins, he allowed them to scarifice animals to forgive their sins, not to remove sin (since the blood of bulls & goat cannot remove sins), when he allowed them to do so he had stipulations on what type of animal should be scarificed & what group of people could offer the scarifice (which were the high priest, Levities) to him.

Now when these scarifices were going on the blood of the animals were only a temporary solution to forgive sins, so even though one may live according to the law & commandments one could still end up in the Lake of fire (which is the 2nd death that's spoken of in revelations) again since the blood of animals couldn't remove sin. BUT the LORD came up w/the permanent solution to avoid the 2nd death with his scarifice (the creator was the only person that could come in the flesh & die for the sins of the world, since he is sinless) & after his death the law of animal scarifices along w/the leviticual priesthood was done away with (that's why it states the veil was rent/torn at his death), the veil is what they sprinkled the blood on, since the law of animal sacrifice was over with the veil was no longer needed...
Now anyone who repents & starts living according to the Word (following in HIS laws,commandments & statues) & gets baptized will come under the blood of Jesus & ALL of your prior sins are forgiven not future sins...that's why obedience is the key to salvation.... because once your baptized under his blood that's it, there's no more scarifices for your sins.
people may sin in ignorance but that's not the sins you will be puinshed for, we will be punished for WILLFULLY sinning AFTER we've found out what sins are according to the LORD,(no what we want sin to be)... He laid everything out in his Word for us to live by & according to, but "scc" do away with his laws & commandments ALL the time & feel their the ones that will be blessed or "saved" by the Most High (they have another thing coming, it won't be nice)
that was just a quick answer, I could provide scriptures for you as well, so you can read for yourself..
Peace!

I'm sorry, but you didn't directly answer my question either... you didn't explain why God decided that people's sins could only be forgiven through blood sacrifice. I made this topic because the idea of an infinitely loving and compassionate God who requires suffering/death before he forgives anyone makes no sense. If he was merciful and willing to forgive, why didn't he just forgive? What power does blood have that God does not?
 
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The GMW;314956 said:
Why does something/someone pure and innocent have to die in order for God to forgive sins? Was God unable to forgive people's sins until he saw a sinless man (assuming Jesus was in fact sinless) die a torturous death, which somehow appeased him enough to forgive everyone? Please explain this concept to me. People act like it makes perfect sense for an infinitely compassionate God to require the death of an innocent before he can forgive people, so maybe I'm missing something.

"God’s” creation is “god’s” creation and the “god” will do what ‘he’ pleases with ‘his’ creation to fulfill ‘his’ purpose. If that causes something/ someone to die or get hurt then so be it. That's 'his' creation.
 
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cwill 420;357663 said:
"God’s” creation is “god’s” creation and the “god” will do what ‘he’ pleases with ‘his’ creation to fulfill ‘his’ purpose. If that causes something/ someone to die or get hurt then so be it. That's 'his' creation.

But we're talking about a god who supposedly feels infinite love and compassion for his "creation." The god you're describing clearly does not. The question I asked pertains to the omni-benevolent concept of god, so if that's not the one you believe in, the question doesn't really apply.
 
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The GMW;357697 said:
But we're talking about a god who supposedly feels infinite love and compassion for his "creation." The god you're describing clearly does not. The question I asked pertains to the omni-benevolent concept of god, so if that's not the one you believe in, the question doesn't really apply.

It depends on your definition of love. If you think of love in respect to God as a deity that answers to every wimper that mankind makes, then I wouldn't call that love. I call it being a cosmic do-boy. It says that if you would like for God to not use innocent blood because you prefer something else, then God should compromise to adjust to you. And given that everyone is not a "God lover", He would be doing the miraculous just to make us happy. Maybe this is a sincere question, but I don't think that this is one to dispute if God exists. If innocent blood is what it takes, then trust that is what it takes. If don't trust that, then you don't.
 
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alissowack;358447 said:
It depends on your definition of love. If you think of love in respect to God as a deity that answers to every wimper that mankind makes, then I wouldn't call that love. I call it being a cosmic do-boy. It says that if you would like for God to not use innocent blood because you prefer something else, then God should compromise to adjust to you. And given that everyone is not a "God lover", He would be doing the miraculous just to make us happy. Maybe this is a sincere question, but I don't think that this is one to dispute if God exists. If innocent blood is what it takes, then trust that is what it takes. If don't trust that, then you don't.

How could innocent blood possibly be "what it takes"? If God is omnipotent, he can do absolutely anything he wants without the aid of anything or anyone else. Thus there is no way that an omnipotent God could possibly need innocent blood to forgive people. If you use the argument "that's just what it takes," you are conceding that God is not all powerful, because he depends on something external in order to accomplish something he wants to do.

As far as the definition of love, I invite you to provide a definition that gels with God's requirement that the suffering/death of his creations must occur, or else everyone will go to hell.
 
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The GMW;358548 said:
How could innocent blood possibly be "what it takes"? If God is omnipotent, he can do absolutely anything he wants without the aid of anything or anyone else. Thus there is no way that an omnipotent God could possibly need innocent blood to forgive people. If you use the argument "that's just what it takes," you are conceding that God is not all powerful, because he depends on something external in order to accomplish something he wants to do.

As far as the definition of love, I invite you to provide a definition that gels with God's requirement that the suffering/death of his creations must occur, or else everyone will go to hell.

What is your definition of all-powerful? If you are thinking in respect to God that whatever "power" can do, God can do better, then God must not be powerful enough if He can't contend to it. God would be in a infinite power struggle trying to show that He can out do "power"; He has no control over power; no lordship over power. I believe God is able to do all that power does in respect to what power does, but is not bound by the will of "power".

A part of what goes on in love, you also find out the truth about matters. For those who love basketball respect what is true about the sport and what is false. Though basketball players are not perfect, they do their best to honor what can, and can't be done. A basketball player knows the truth and the lies about basketball.
 
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Because the Gods of the bible are actually blood lusting beings...What so called peace loving God requires the mutilating and burnt offering of flesh?..Who is God anyway?..God is a German word for Gut..So what does a word spiritually connected to europeans have to do with the progression of nubian people?..
 
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Relegion is a drug and crutch for people who don't have strong enuff minds to question the validity of their spook gods...It seems to me that this "god" spoken of in the bible enjoys watching his creations go thru pain and suffering all while saying "stay true to me"..It sounds like a sick game
 
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Supreme_Mind999;359627 said:
Relegion is a drug and crutch for people who don't have strong enuff minds to question the validity of their spook gods...It seems to me that this "god" spoken of in the bible enjoys watching his creations go thru pain and suffering all while saying "stay true to me"..It sounds like a sick game

Yes and no.

If you think the ancient nubians and people of KMT were not religious you are sorely mistaken.
 
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And Step;359681 said:
Yes and no.

If you think the ancient nubians and people of KMT were not religious you are sorely mistaken.

No relegion and science are two completely different things..relegion has you dealing with non existent spook "gods"..Science deals with concrete evidence
 
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Supreme_Mind999;359888 said:
No relegion and science are two completely different things..relegion has you dealing with non existent spook "gods"..Science deals with concrete evidence

Not true. False Religion does.

Science doesn't always deal with concrete evidence, that is the purpose of the scientific process. To find the concrete "evidence".

The Egyptians were scientists, yet they were religious. A spook God couldn't build a pyramid. Their religion was science. There are people on this planet who live an orderly, disciplined, knowledge based lifestyle. That is religion. You are confusing that with some backwards representation of a bunch of niggas screaming and hollering for a wisp of smoke to come down and deliver them.

Study KMT and Ancient Egypt and you will see that. They did not separate religion from science. Because they knew that they were part of creation and not separate.

Science and True Religion are really one and the same, If you understand what religion is.
 
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alissowack;359148 said:
What is your definition of all-powerful? If you are thinking in respect to God that whatever "power" can do, God can do better, then God must not be powerful enough if He can't contend to it. God would be in a infinite power struggle trying to show that He can out do "power"; He has no control over power; no lordship over power. I believe God is able to do all that power does in respect to what power does, but is not bound by the will of "power".

A part of what goes on in love, you also find out the truth about matters. For those who love basketball respect what is true about the sport and what is false. Though basketball players are not perfect, they do their best to honor what can, and can't be done. A basketball player knows the truth and the lies about basketball.

You seem to be referring to power as some kind of third party or external entity. How can you out-do "power"? How can "power" have a will? "All-powerful" simply means that one has the ability to create or bring about anything that one desires. In this case, if God is all-powerful, he should have the ability to forgive without requiring bloodshed, but you appear to be implying that he does not.

You didn't define love. Knowing what is true and what is false about something doesn't have much to do with loving it.
 
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The GMW;361470 said:
You seem to be referring to power as some kind of third party or external entity. How can you out-do "power"? How can "power" have a will? "All-powerful" simply means that one has the ability to create or bring about anything that one desires. In this case, if God is all-powerful, he should have the ability to forgive without requiring bloodshed, but you appear to be implying that he does not.

You didn't define love. Knowing what is true and what is false about something doesn't have much to do with loving it.

I could be wrong, but if God created "power", then power is independent from who God is. Power is subjected to God's Will.

I wasn't trying to define love. However, if you don't think the truth is not a factor in love, then you are really missing something.
 
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Dude, we get it.

Your the religious equivalent of a racial troll.

Do you have any thing to add to a religious discussion forum besides "shock and awe" statements?

Your assertions and proclamations border and sometimes skip across the land of asinine. Not every one believes in the literal interpretation of the Bible because a) People have different theological bases and b) Some people can actually read the Original Hebrew Text and know that meanings and words are not expressed properly across language.

So for you to think you know what the bible means or says based on a poorly and purposely mistranslated english version is to say the least is silly.

Not to be critical..........................
 
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