Questions and Statements about God...

[And Step]

How does a force that's Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent care? How would it love? How would it want? Obviously not in the same way humans do. If it wanted it would have. What is love to something thats all knowing, everywhere at once, has no relation to time, has infinite power, and created everything? What would be love to this type of being?

Love is duty. Love is the creative force that provides for what it produces. In that respect it is no different from a human being. Look at your helpless, needing infant daughter and answer that question.

Why do humans believe God is human like with like Human emotions?

Why do humans who deny God or can't comprehend him want to put our limitations or perceptions on him, as thought we expect something that created all we see, to think or perceive like us, who can't even produce a blade a grass?

For a person to open a book and say this is what an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God WANTS and will be Angry if he doesn't get it is crazy. If it wanted it then it would be in infinite abundance Would it not? How arrogant can humans be to think all was created just for us because we are loved by an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God, then go even have the nerve to claim to be favored race or religion. What Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent creator of all God would care about race or religion or even Holy Lands. Holy Lands! Out of all this Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God has created he has his favorite dirt?

Everything in creation has a religion. You are under divine law(religion). The oxygen you breath that is necessary for you to live was created for the purpose for sustaining you. The water that is necessary for the crops of the food you eat must touch land for the seeds to germinate in accordance with the suns rays. The gravity that keeps you in place is bearing witness to the regulated creation that we live in.

He creates a things, measures it, then guides it. This is bore witness to in the universal order of things. Childbirth, growing crops, Functioning body systems are all regulated by a power that is greater than you or I. When we transgress the parameters(religion) we see the destructive consequences.

Our only problem is trying to find the right religion(harmonious living). If your religion is and can be found in the Universal order of things then you can say that you have the right religion.

 

[DaConcierge]

you have a body..

inside that body, consists a spirit..

that spirit has a soul.

That simple.

Comes with a life full of learned lessons & an understanding that whatever life throws at you...tomorrow's anotha day.

 

[fiat_money]

Shit's foolish yo.

The moment this "Triple-O" being initiates the Universe, it'd know that one day fiat_money would be born an autistic psychopath, and that he would not believe in such a being. It'd also know that even if fiat_money believed in such a being, he would not give a single fuck about any of its "command" or "punishments", nor would fiat_money "love" anything.

So if this being gets angry over this known outcome which it created, it is foolish.

 

[fiat_money]

Shit's foolish yo.

The moment this "Triple-O" being initiates the Universe, it'd know that one day fiat_money would be born an autistic psychopath, and that he would not believe in such a being. It'd also know that even if fiat_money believed in such a being, he would not give a single fuck about any of its "command" or "punishments", nor would fiat_money "love" anything.

So if this being gets angry over this known outcome which it created, it is foolish.

Ayo scratch that fiat. This "Triple-O" nigga is omnipresent too, so the instant (if "instant" is applicable to a being that is in all places at all times; meaning it's existence does not vary with space-time) it initiates the Universe, it would see your conception/birth/life/death/etc all at once.

That's like me pointing my finger at a dog, while simultaneously knowing that a dog will bite my finger before I point at it, existing in the dog's relative future as it bites my finger, and existing even further into the dog's relative future after the dog finishes biting my finger; but yet I get mad at the dog for doing exactly what I caused it to do and knew it would do.

 

[fiat_money]

To put it in math terms, that's like having the equation for a system, knowing and controlling all of the variables, knowing what the outcome will be before changing the value of the variables; yet still getting mad at the outcome.

w+x+y=z

If I make: w=1, x=2, and y=3; I know z will be 6.

So, I change the values of the variables:
1+2+3=z

Process it, and z=6.

Then I get mad at z for equaling 6.

"HOW DARE YOU BE EQUAL TO 6!!!"

 

[judahxulu]

lmbao...at confusing religion with spirituality after all the endless threads

 

[whar67]

If a God knew all possible outcomes of all possible decisions doesn't that meet the standard of all-knowing while preserving free will in humans?

For instance, if I approach a decision which I have to choose left, right, straight, or turn around God remains all-knowing if he knows all possible permutation of all of those outcomes. God would know the instant I made a decision and then all events that could follow.

 

[fiat_money]

If a God knew all possible outcomes of all possible decisions doesn't that meet the standard of all-knowing while preserving free will in humans?

For instance, if I approach a decision which I have to choose left, right, straight, or turn around God remains all-knowing if he knows all possible permutation of all of those outcomes. God would know the instant I made a decision and then all events that could follow.

Well, since it's also supposedly omnipresent, it also exists in your relative future after you've made your decision. So it knows exactly which decision you'll make on this occasion, "before" you're even born.

The "free will" would get canceled out by the fact that the "Triple-O" combo gives it control of all of the variables that will shape your life. If all of the variables are known, the output is a constant. For example: It'd know that whar67 will be born will be born in X location, and because he is in X location he will encounter person Y on T date, then person Y will convince him to do act Z; and thus whar67 will do act Z.

 

[And Step]

that's sounds great. To me. but if I was Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent I would probably laugh.

This would explain the bipolar steez.

 

[DRO]

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

SO IF ABRHAM COULD SEE HIM IN HELL, IM SURE GOD CAN...DOES THAT ANSWER UR ?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

ether.....your running on fumes with these threads.

 

[DRO]

ether.....your running on fumes with these threads.

dude, he's past runnin fumes

 

[DRO]

Jesus went to hell also when he died... So yeah god cold go there..

 

[b*braze]

he aint see this comin tho...

 

[fiat_money]

he aint see this comin tho...

Gotdayum, first the crucifixion, now this.

Bet that nigga was making excuses and shit.

"It's because of these wounds I got in my feet that I can't move well. They're healed but it's still sore."

 

[judahxulu]

he aint see this comin tho...

gwar is some funny mu'fuckas...lol

 

[alissowack]

According to Christian doctrine we are already under a New Covenant from the New Testament because they claim the Old one past away.

But when reading the Old Testament it states clearly that ALL will know YHWH and that we will NOT have to teach anyone about him because it will be in our hearts. Now there is a big difference between YHWH and Jesus. The Old Testament mentions that we will ALL know YHWH it doesnt say Jesus. IN 2011 ALL DON'T KNOW YHWH SO HOW ARE WE UNDER THIS COVENANT BELOW?

Also if we were already under the new covenant then our sins would already be forgiven because that was included in the new covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-40

King James Version (KJV)

Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith YHWH:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know YHWH: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I'm still trying to get to the bottom of what you mean by "all". So far, I see that you are referring to Jeremiah in respect to Israel. Are you suggesting that everybody is considered an Israelite?

One of the unfortunate things about a book such as the Bible is that not everybody can read it in it's original text. If you are getting technical, then the Hebrew texts don't say "Jesus" as well. But you shouldn't let that be the basis of the problem. What we ought to be worried about is that we actually believe that he is who he says he is in respect to what the Bible says...regardless of the name.

 

[kingblaze84]

Imagine being triple O (like an imagination would matter) and getting upset at your creation because they did exactly as you created them to do and you knew they would dissappoint you before, during and after simultaneously during creating, life and death yet still pissed off.

If he really wanted to impress himself then he should have given us all the power of triple O.

Powerful post right here, along with Fiat's posts......the Bible belief in a Triple O being doesn't make any sense because it believes in a being that has a never ending grudge against humanity for........being what God made us to be!!! Humans were designed by God, and if this genius knew humans were gonna sin against him, why is this fucking idiot holding a 4,000 year + grudge against us?

Any triple O being worth its salt would be like, my bad humans, I'M the one who fucked up by making ya'll with shady DNAs. Let's have a do over. But nah, we still gotta suffer from Adam and Eve's bullshit. NIGGA PLEASE.....I learn more from a coloring book than I would from the Bible.

Okay I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

 

[Chike]

Cause God knows we aren't omnipotent.... religion is for us, not god lol And by religion I don't mean controlled popular religions, I mean everyone's individual religion that already exists within us all.

 

[alissowack]

Let me make this easy for you.

1. According to the New Testament we are already under a New Covenant because it says the Old one was FLAWED..

2. The OT says the New Covenant will be between the house of Judah and the house of Israel. So this is speaking of an entire nation.

3. If as a nation are already under this new covenant according to the New Testament then we should NOT have to teach anyone about YHWH or that they themselves are Israelites.

4. You need to read the entire chapter of Jermiah to get a better understanding.

5. Do you believe we are already under a New Covenant or not? Yes or No

And if so then show me proof from the Scripture because the Old Covenant was deemed to be an everlasting covenant.

Just because something is called "old" doesn't make it flawed or obsolete. You made that assumption...but if that is the case, then why does the people of the New Testament refer back to the Old Testament? Without the Old Testament, Jesus's ministry would have no significance.

It's something that you want the New Covenant to be that you feel compromises what the Bible says. What that is I could try to assume, but I don't think it's my place to do so. But I will say this is in respect to God...just when you think you know Him, you don't.