Questions and Statements about God...

[Colin$mackabi$h]

I dont think we were created to glorify the creator i mean my father and mother created me and i dont drop to my knees every day and thank them for it i just keep them in my heart on live my life

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

we can "create" our own "reality" if we put our minds to it

 

[alissowack]

What is meant by perfection? If you mean it to be as a matter of actions, then there are people out there that will put Christians to shame. However, the issue of sin goes deeper than that. Being a sinner doesn't necessarily mean you can't choose what is morally good. It means you can't earn God's favor even in making that choice. God is not pleased even when we are trying to be and is as equally not pleased when we don't.

 

[alissowack]

Sin is an opinion.
Sin is when someone disagrees with someone elses form of pleasure.
If you deny yourself pleasure, the bible god is happy.
Jesus must have been an unhappy basterd that couldn't wait to die.
Jesus did sin. He committed suicide.

Sin is an archery term meaning to fall short of the bulls-eye. God isn't denying us the pleasures of the world. God is not pleased with our condition in which we are trying to enjoy the pleasures of the world. Take for instance sex. It's bad enough to have sex before marriage before God. But sin even makes sex in marriage bad as well. Marriage doesn't justify sex even if there is a right to it.

And Jesus didn't kill himself. He willfully gave himself over to be killed.

 

["A Tout le Mond]

I call bullshit.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Jesus lived the life we couldn't live (a life without sin) and died the death we should have died (for sin).

What death should we have died for sin?

A sacrifice was made for sin and for those who believe that Jesus did do this can have Eternal Life.

Correct me if I am wrong, but supposedly if people go to hell, they are suffering, for all eternity. Does that not also mean they to have eternal life, even if they are "suffering"?

Our deaths could not atone for sin for it is not a perfect sacrifice.

But jesus dying for merely 3 days was a perfect sacrifice? Which he was resurrected from, showing there is no death, even for those who go to hell.

Sin isn't just about transgression. It is a condition that God sees mankind as having.

That is bullshit, that is not what god sees or even "said". God said, sin was error, or missing the mark. According to what the definitions of the word. Unless you are saying the inspired writters got the wrong meaning of the word?

You don't have to be immoral to be a sinner. You can have good morals, but it can't remedy the condition that sin puts us in.

The only thing that remedies errors is CORRECTING them. And no man/god had to die for all humans for this to occur.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

God-----like?

What would a perfect god be like?

 

[TX_Made713]

Even if the man gives to the poor, lives along the law, etc etc the only thing he doesnt believe in is him or jesus so hes sent to hell? yet if a prison inmate kills 280382030230- amounts of people and asks for forgiveness he gets into heaven?

and if everything that happens was in gods plan then when a man sins was it really his fault? isnt it what god wanted to happen?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

How's the path of Truth Tx? Awesome I suspect?

 

["A Tout le Mond]

TX its good to see your losing the shroud.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

No. A person goes to hell because they want to go to hell. Lost sinners have made the CHOICE to not obey, accept, and follow God. Every choice has a consequence. Lost sinners have chosen to reject Christ, so thus, God only executes the consequence for that choice.

Why would a lost sinner want to go to heaven and be with God forever when they deny Him to begin with? it's an oxymoron. Lost sinners want to go to hell and God will execute their desires on the last day.

 

[alissowack]

What death should we have died for sin?

Correct me if I am wrong, but supposedly if people go to hell, they are suffering, for all eternity. Does that not also mean they to have eternal life, even if they are "suffering"?

But jesus dying for merely 3 days was a perfect sacrifice? Which he was resurrected from, showing there is no death, even for those who go to hell.

That is bullshit, that is not what god sees or even "said". God said, sin was error, or missing the mark. According to what the definitions of the word. Unless you are saying the inspired writters got the wrong meaning of the word?

The only thing that remedies errors is CORRECTING them. And no man/god had to die for all humans for this to occur.

Well according to the Bible, we deserve Hell. What does Hell or Heaven looks like, who knows. But in retrospect, Heaven is eternal life with God and Hell is eternal life apart from God. If God is the source for life, then apart from Him you die. The significance of Christ's Death and Resurrection is that we believe that even though he was without sin, he became sin in our place and his resurrection frees us from having to die a death that God says sinners deserve.

Sin is missing the mark. However is "missing the mark" applied specifically to acts? Our mind, body, and spirit misses the mark. You can correct a behavior, but it doesn't mean you can correct a diagnosis especially if it's terminal.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

No. A person goes to hell because they want to go to hell. Lost sinners have made the CHOICE to not obey, accept, and follow God. Every choice has a consequence. Lost sinners have chosen to reject Christ, so thus, God only executes the consequence for that choice.

Why would a lost sinner want to go to heaven and be with God forever when they deny Him to begin with? it's an oxymoron. Lost sinners want to go to hell and God will execute their desires on the last day.

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So you see no fallacy in this reasoning?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Well according to the Bible, we deserve Hell.

That is what happens AFTER, not the death. You said, "Jesus lived the life we couldn't live (a life without sin) and died the death we should have died (for sin)." I will assume you answered as such because you realized that we all die regardless and thus had to redirect your answer from death to afterwards.

What does Hell or Heaven looks like, who knows. But in retrospect, Heaven is eternal life with God and Hell is eternal life apart from God.

But eternal life none the less for sinner and saint alike.

If God is the source for life, then apart from Him you die.

But people will live eternally in heaven or in hell. It cannot be both, one quote above you said LIFE APART from god, now you are saying apart from god you die.

The significance of Christ's Death and Resurrection is that we believe that even though he was without sin, he became sin

Jesus became the world's sin/error? So then jesus wasn't sin/error free? Which one is it? He was or wasn't.

in our place and his resurrection frees us from having to die a death that God says sinners deserve.

Again you speak of this other death that sinners deserve. What is this mysterious death you speak of?

Sin is missing the mark. However is "missing the mark" applied specifically to acts? Our mind, body, and spirit misses the mark.

So a brain dead patient has the ability to error? Can you give me an example of how a spirit would miss the mark/error?

You can correct a behavior, but it doesn't mean you can correct a diagnosis especially if it's terminal.

A terminal behavior... lol? Wtf is that?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

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So you see no fallacy in this reasoning?

There is no fallacy with God. "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." Romans 9:14

Whatever God does, it is right! No ands, ifs, or buts about it. There will be billions of people boo-hoo'n, weeping, crying, and wailing on the last day when they finally realize the truth about God. But tears and crying do not equate to justice. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

Lost sinners who will be sent to hell on the last day will go there because their penalty for the wages of sin still hangs upon their own head. They WILLFULLY rejected the free gift God offered for the payment of sins, in Jesus Christ our Lord. So thus, they must pay the penalty on their own, which will be collected for all eternity in the lake of fire. God will make good on all past due balances. Believe that.

 

[TX_Made713]

this question doesnt reflect my beliefs. just curious to see some of the responses here

 

[TX_Made713]

No. A person goes to hell because they want to go to hell. Lost sinners have made the CHOICE to not obey, accept, and follow God. Every choice has a consequence. Lost sinners have chosen to reject Christ, so thus, God only executes the consequence for that choice.

Why would a lost sinner want to go to heaven and be with God forever when they deny Him to begin with? it's an oxymoron. Lost sinners want to go to hell and God will execute their desires on the last day.

So pretty much no matter how much of a good dude you are, if you dont believe in him your fucked

 

[alissowack]

Even if the man gives to the poor, lives along the law, etc etc the only thing he doesnt believe in is him or jesus so hes sent to hell? yet if a prison inmate kills 280382030230- amounts of people and asks for forgiveness he gets into heaven?

and if everything that happens was in gods plan then when a man sins was it really his fault? isnt it what god wanted to happen?

It would help to know that there is a problem first before you seek the solution. The Bible says that all have sinned and fall short of God's Glory. I can give money to the poor, but God would see no difference in my giving. I would still be a sinner. If I don't think that I am to God, then how do I ask for forgiveness and repent? Yeah, you got the "serial killer" scenario and it is no different. Chances are this person is asking for forgiveness, but not because he is confessing to the real problem. This person just wants to be forgiven for his behavior and not for his condition before God. This person would be Hellbound if that is the case. However, even the serial killer can have that same hope.

I believe those who are in Hell choose it. It was not forced on them and they don't want to leave. I believe in Hell, God gives you what you want. If you want money, sex, and whatever else, God will let you have it. Hey, you can just be a morally good person. However instead of you being able to take a break from it from time to time, you are consumed by it. If you were a person who is quick-tempered, you be consumed by it as well and you will be constantly denying that there is a problem even though you can't put these desires down. I believe the desires of your heart are more the flames than the fire itself.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

So pretty much no matter how much of a good dude you are, if you dont believe in him your fucked

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Romans 3:10-12

God is perfect, holy, and just. God only accepts perfection my friend. 99.9% isn't good enough in Gods eyes. Only sinless perfection is acceptable in the sight of God. That sinless perfection was met in Jesus Christ our Lord. He who knew no sin, was made sin for us. Jesus Christ is our only way, chance, and hope at salvation my brother. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior, they are justified in the sight of God because of what Jesus Christ did on their behalf. When the redeemed stand before God at the judgement seat of Christ, God will see Christ in us, which is perfect perfection. God no longer sees the sin in us, only the shed blood of Christ, which washed away all of our sins at the cross of Calvary. Thats why Jesus Christ said, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3

 

[alissowack]

That is what happens AFTER, not the death. You said, "Jesus lived the life we couldn't live (a life without sin) and died the death we should have died (for sin)." I will assume you answered as such because you realized that we all die regardless and thus had to redirect your answer from death to afterwards.

But eternal life none the less for sinner and saint alike.

But people will live eternally in heaven or in hell. It cannot be both, one quote above you said LIFE APART from god, now you are saying apart from god you die.

Jesus became the world's sin/error? So then jesus wasn't sin/error free? Which one is it? He was or wasn't.

Again you speak of this other death that sinners deserve. What is this mysterious death you speak of?

So a brain dead patient has the ability to error? Can you give me an example of how a spirit would miss the mark/error?

A terminal behavior... lol? Wtf is that?

This death we die is eternal. If life goes on forever, then it means that I would either being doing something constuctively or destructively. In Hell, all of the destructive desires flare up and never cease creating chaos. Like an addict to drugs, you will see that something is wrong, but you can't put it down and is in constant denial of the problem. Jesus was not born a sinner, but for the sacrifice he became sin. Sin is not just transgressions. It is a condition. A brain-dead person can't make any choices but that doesn't mean that person is not a sinner. We are born into sin. Terminal behaviors...if this is true then forgive my ignorance but even those with terminal behaviors would need to see that the issue of sin isn't just in their behavior alone.