Questions and Statements about God...

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

We have been trained/programmed to fear death. They want us to believe one of a few things: 1) This life is all there is. When you die, you are gone and there is nothing more to it (atheism). 2) There is a Heaven and there is a Hell. This is only true if we believe it is true. The Christian belief in Heaven and Hell is another way to control us. By telling us there is an Eternal Fire after death if you don't choose "the right path" is a way to scare us and lead is into another dogma. 3) Believe whatever you want as long as it doesn't make you free. The "Powers that be"i created all those religions and cults to divide and conquer, to turn man against man in religious wars, and to create a problem, making us ignorant of what is true and what is not. By confusing people with different belief systems, the population is less likely to find their way out of the trap. There is no Hell, except the one we are creating for ourselves, and Heaven is something different from what we're taught. They also realized a long time ago that you can't just create ONE idea and expect everybody to embrace it; you have to have choices. They don't mind us having choices, so long as all our choices lead to nowhere. To understand Heaven and Hell we have to understand who or what God is.

"A mocker seeks wisdom and never finds it, but knowledge comes easily to those with understanding." Proverbs 14:6

 

[TX_Made713]

im seriously asking a question here. if you choose to ignore it then your going against the very thing you stake your life on

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Okay, so what is YOUR idea of hell? What do you think it is and consists of? Do you think it's a literal fire pit where we literally burn for eternity?

I don't care to find out my friend. I'm going to heaven to be with God my brother. Hell is a place where the wicked will be eternally seperated from everything that is good, which is GOD. That alone is enough to make me not want to go there, forget about the fire. My mission in this life is to preach about the redeeming love of Jesus Christ, that will lead as many souls that are in my sphere of influence to the same place that I am going. Heaven is my home my friend, not hell.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God had no choice? This places a limit on God's power. If I am confronted with a situation about which I have no choice then someone is dictating terms to me regarding that situation. Since God is All-Powerful this is impossible. He choose to burn people in Hell. he could have created the universe in an entirely different way but instead he choose to create me with the traits that have lead me to deny him and for that I am to suffer for eternity. But God loves me with all his heart!

God is all-knowing and All-powerful. He knew when he made man that he would rebel. He could have made he so he would not but he choose to make him rebel then punish him for the action God knew he would make.

1. Your taking stuff out of context. The WICKED will not inherit the kingdom of God. That doesn't mean that God has no other choice. It means that God is immutable. What He has declared that shall stand. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. So while the wicked will weep, and weep, and weep at the great white throne judgment, they will be eternally lost no matter what. GRACE, MERCY, and LOVE WILL BE OVER FOR THE WICKED ON THE DAY OF RECKONING!

2. Your assumptions are flawed. That means nothing. God can do whatsoever He pleases. So you can come up with silly assumptions like the one you just made, but who cares. If you take a piece of paper and fold it into a plane, can the paper talk back to you and say that I wanted to be a car? Come on man.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

is there any proof that you will gain entry into heaven by following the bible outside of the bible?

Read the book of Romans and you tell me.

 

[toktaylor]

1. God never said that He regretted sending the flood to destroy all flesh. This is EXACTLY what He said. "5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."

http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-hell-fair.html

"The LORD then sent a pestilence over Israel

from morning until the time appointed,

and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beer-sheba died.

But when the angel stretched forth his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it,

the LORD regretted the calamity

and said to the angel causing the destruction among the people,

“Enough now! Stay your hand.”"

I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] upon the earth. " (Genesis 9:13-16, KJV)

Exodus 32:14 (New International Version, ©2010)

14 Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Psalm 103

The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.

9 He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever;

10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities.

I keep telling DOU that there is scripture in the bible to support whatever arguement you want to defend....

 

[toktaylor]

DOU, have you ever stop to consider what your concept would be if your were not taught/raised as a christian. Say you were raised in a Moslim home or some other religion or no religion. What i am getting at is...what you think you know is what you were taught. If you should discovered that there was no HELL (or punishement) would you still want to be a christian.

Now, if you believe that you are evil and start thinking that you probably will go to Hell, that may be the reality you will experience. So in that sense the concept of Hell is true. Again, if everything is energy, you, in your native state, can create the reality you want. So be careful what you think!

 

[whar67]

1. Your taking stuff out of context. The WICKED will not inherit the kingdom of God. That doesn't mean that God has no other choice. It means that God is immutable. What He has declared that shall stand. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. So while the wicked will weep, and weep, and weep at the great white throne judgment, they will be eternally lost no matter what. GRACE, MERCY, and LOVE WILL BE OVER FOR THE WICKED ON THE DAY OF RECKONING!

If God is All-powerful and All-Knowing the WICKED are the WICKED because that is how God wants them.

2. Your assumptions are flawed. That means nothing. God can do whatsoever He pleases. So you can come up with silly assumptions like the one you just made, but who cares. If you take a piece of paper and fold it into a plane, can the paper talk back to you and say that I wanted to be a car? Come on man.

If I set the paper aflame because it was shaped like a plane should we blame the paper?

 

[toktaylor]

The "Powers that be" have edited/created the Bible that if we believe the storeis and other similar writings are prophecies and the outlined future, it will only serve the oppressors to make them a reality. DO you not see that the predictions in Revelations are coming to be, This is because it is being done by design/intentionally. However, there is one thing I agree on with the Book of Revelation, and that is that we have to 'turn to God' as a solution. The difference between my way of seeing it and the Bible's "literal" way of explaining it is that as a Christian you separate yourself from God (pure energy) while I insist that we need to realize we are ONE with this Energy - we ARE God Energy. If we continue separate ourselves from ONE, we will not make any progress, but are nothing more than leaves in the wind, blowing to wherever the wind decides to take us.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Because if there really was no physical hell then there would be no way for super religious people to feel better about themselves for being God's "goody two shoes" and make everyone else feel like shit.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, none of us have the answers on what hell is or if it actually exists in the physical sense?

How do you know that Jesus was talking about hell in a literal way? He might have been talking about Hell in a metaphorical sense.

No honestly read this passage of scripture and tell me if this is methaphorical.

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.23In hell,c where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

 

[TX_Made713]

Read the book of Romans and you tell me.

there is no point in entertaining your threads anymore

 

[toktaylor]

No honestly read this passage of scripture and tell me if this is methaphorical.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.23In hell,c where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Characteristically, Jesus conveys spiritual truth by means of a parable. But is the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus a parable?

A parable is a story intended to convey a spiritual truth. The story doesn't have to be about real people or even real situations (such as a camel passing through the eye of a needle). But to achieve its teaching goal, a parable must be striking and memorable, so that as the story is retold and remembered, the spiritual truth is reinforced again and again. The hearers must be able to imagine the situation.

I say that because I think it's important to distinguish the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus from a divinely inspired portrayal of heaven. If you compare, for example, the portrayal of heaven presented by the lush word pictures in the Book of Revelation, it seems much different than the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Many scholars believe that Jesus is drawing upon a popular Jewish folk tale that had roots in Egypt about a rich man and poor man whose lots after death are completely reversed.[1] The story doesn't have to be true in all its particulars, but the popular mind can relate to its stereotyped characters -- rich man, poor man, and Father Abraham.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

DOU, have you ever stop to consider what your concept would be if your were not taught/raised as a christian. Say you were raised in a Moslim home or some other religion or no religion. What i am getting at is...what you think you know is what you were taught. If you should discovered that there was no HELL (or punishement) would you still want to be a christian.

Now, if you believe that you are evil and start thinking that you probably will go to Hell, that may be the reality you will experience. So in that sense the concept of Hell is true. Again, if everything is energy, you, in your native state, can create the reality you want. So be careful what you think!

1. God can be found no matter where you are on earth. It doesn't matter where you were born, how you were raised, or what you were taught. If you are called by God to receive salvation, you will find Him. Hallelujah!

2. I don't serve the living God because of fear, but because of love. Why? Because, "We love him, because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19

3. Again, I don't fear hell. I'm not going there. My purpose in life is to tell people about the forgivness of sins that Jesus Christ provided at the cross of calvary. Thats it thats all.
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." 1 Corinthians 2:2

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If God is All-powerful and All-Knowing the WICKED are the WICKED because that is how God wants them.

If I set the paper aflame because it was shaped like a plane should we blame the paper?

1. Now we are getting somewhere. "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4

The truth is a tough pill to swallow, huh?

2. The paper has no choice but to accept the punishment. You were the creator, you can do as you please.

"But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" Romans 9:20

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

there is no point in entertaining your threads anymore

Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

 

[toktaylor]

1. God can be found no matter where you are on earth. It doesn't matter where you were born, how you were raised, or what you were taught. If you are called by God to receive salvation, you will find Him. Hallelujah!

2. I don't serve the living God because of fear, but because of love. Why? Because, "We love him, because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19

3. Again, I don't fear hell. I'm not going there. My purpose in life is to tell people about the forgivness of sins that Jesus Christ provided at the cross of calvary. Thats it thats all.

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." 1 Corinthians 2:2

DOU I am giving you an assignment/research to do over the New Year week-end, do this deligently and be honest on your findings; I am certain (and there is evidence of this on the internet, this is documented and discussed on several websites, check it out ) that the Illuminati has tampered with the Bible and changed it into an occult dogma to control us. They have also, through their Freemasonic "Christian" Priests and Preachers throughout time told us to take the Bible literally, when they know so well that it's written in code, and they don't want ordinary people to understand the secrets behind those codes.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Characteristically, Jesus conveys spiritual truth by means of a parable. But is the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus a parable?

A parable is a story intended to convey a spiritual truth. The story doesn't have to be about real people or even real situations (such as a camel passing through the eye of a needle). But to achieve its teaching goal, a parable must be striking and memorable, so that as the story is retold and remembered, the spiritual truth is reinforced again and again. The hearers must be able to imagine the situation.

I say that because I think it's important to distinguish the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus from a divinely inspired portrayal of heaven. If you compare, for example, the portrayal of heaven presented by the lush word pictures in the Book of Revelation, it seems much different than the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Many scholars believe that Jesus is drawing upon a popular Jewish folk tale that had roots in Egypt about a rich man and poor man whose lots after death are completely reversed.[1] The story doesn't have to be true in all its particulars, but the popular mind can relate to its stereotyped characters -- rich man, poor man, and Father Abraham.

The passage I provided wasn't a parable. So do you believe it to be metaphorical?

 

[toktaylor]

The passage I provided wasn't a parable. So do you believe it to be metaphorical?

Please keep in mind that Jesus did use stories to teach, also bear in mind this was not the same Lazarus that Jesus "brought" from the dead.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

DOU I am giving you an assignment/research to do over the New Year week-end, do this deligently and be honest on your findings; I am certain (and there is evidence of this on the internet, this is documented and discussed on several websites, check it out ) that the Illuminati has tampered with the Bible and changed it into an occult dogma to control us. They have also, through their Freemasonic "Christian" Priests and Preachers throughout time told us to take the Bible literally, when they know so well that it's written in code, and they don't want ordinary people to understand the secrets behind those codes.

Thanks but no thanks. Screw the illuminati. It's nothing but the devil anyways. They are powerless against the Al-Mighty! The word of God is tried, true, and tested. Nothing can compare to it because it is the eternal word of God. I will believe God and His word before anything and everything else. NO MATTER WHAT!

"let God be true, but every man a liar;" Romans 3:4

I would advise you to start reading the word of God for yourself so that you can come to a knowledge of the truth. The truth being, that Jesus Christ is who He claimed to be, He did what He came to do, and He is coming again to establish His eternal kingdom on earth. Give glory to the king my friend for He is good. Hallelujah!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

1.Please keep in mind that Jesus did use stories to teach, 2.also bear in mind this was not the same Lazarus that Jesus "brought" from the dead.

1. Yes, I know this.

2. Yes, I know this.

3. You haven't answered my question yet. Is the story metaphorical?