Question: Can you WILLINGLY deny the deity of Jesus Christ and still be saved?

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Agnostic here, but I could never figure out why someone who behaved in a manner approved by God but didn't believe in him or Jesus Christ would be denied entry into heaven. It seems like such a small sin compared to the ones that could inflict harm on those around you.

Note that this does not condone the treatment Jesus received from the Jews, which would be sinful regardless of whether Jesus was divine or not.
 
NostalgiaBAB;6691218 said:
Agnostic here, but I could never figure out why someone who behaved in a manner approved by God but didn't believe in him or Jesus Christ would be denied entry into heaven. It seems like such a small sin compared to the ones that could inflict harm on those around you.

Note that this does not condone the treatment Jesus received from the Jews, which would be sinful regardless of whether Jesus was divine or not.

Have you considered the price God paid to redeem mankind my friend?
 
OK...

LET ME EXPLAIN..

I BELIEVE IN GOD, JESUS (THE SON) AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

IF U OR ANYONE READS THE BIBLE.. THERE ARE SCRIPTURES THAT PROVIDE PROOF THAT GOD AND JESUS ARE THE SAME.. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THAT THEY ARE NOT...

1... FATHER FATHER, WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME... IF THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.. WHO IS GOD'S FATHER?

2. WHO DID JESUS PRAY TO WHILE ON EARTH?..

3. FATHER FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO?

4. FATHER, PLS LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME....

I CAN GO ON AND ON ON WHY ME AND OR OTHER THINK THAT GOD AND JESUS ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON...

THAT DOESNT TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT GOD SENT HIS SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS..

ITS JUST HARD TO GRASP THE CONCEPT WITH A HUMAN MIND..

 
DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS?

IF THIS IS WHAT IT IS, THEN I CAN COME INTO BETTER GRIPS WITH THE EXPLANATION OF THE WHOLE THING

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INCREDIBLE_DRO;6692427 said:
OK...

LET ME EXPLAIN..

I BELIEVE IN GOD, JESUS (THE SON) AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

IF U OR ANYONE READS THE BIBLE.. THERE ARE SCRIPTURES THAT PROVIDE PROOF THAT GOD AND JESUS ARE THE SAME.. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THAT THEY ARE NOT...

1... FATHER FATHER, WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME... IF THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.. WHO IS GOD'S FATHER?

2. WHO DID JESUS PRAY TO WHILE ON EARTH?..

3. FATHER FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO?

4. FATHER, PLS LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME....

I CAN GO ON AND ON ON WHY ME AND OR OTHER THINK THAT GOD AND JESUS ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON...

THAT DOESNT TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT GOD SENT HIS SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS..

ITS JUST HARD TO GRASP THE CONCEPT WITH A HUMAN MIND..

The trinity can't be comprehended by our finite human minds, God only asks that we believe! Faith is what saves, not logic. If we could understand God fully and comprehend His eternal majesty, why would we serve Him? God is beyond us. His ways are not our ways, neither are His thoughts our thoughts. As far as the heavens are above the earth so are His ways and His thoughts compared to ours.

What we can understand is that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man at the same time. How is that possible? Well with God ALL things are possible. And in the scriptures we see Jesus demonstrate both His deity as well as His humanity. We see that Jesus raised the dead, forgave sins, performed miracles, accepted worship, never sinned etc. All those signs point to His deity. But at the same time we see that Jesus was also a man. He hungered, he thirst, he cried, he slept, he was tempted, and he humbled himself by being in total submission to the will of the Father. That is why He cried out to the Father. Jesus Christ didn't come to exercise His own will as God, but He submitted Himself to the Fathers will in order to provide and leave an example for other human beings to follow.

Jesus Christ was fully man and yet fully God. But in order to truly live as a man, He gave up the right to exercise His own will as God; instead He was subject to the Fathers will. Which is how mankind was designed to live from the beginning. We must subject our wills to the Fathers will, and Jesus Christ demonstrated how mankind was designed to live by fulfilling ALL the law and never sinning.

I accept these things by faith because that is what the scripture teaches. I can't rationally or logically explain how God can exist as 3 separate persons but yet still be 1. Nor can I explain how God had no beginning and will have no end. Nor can I explain how God created the universe with the word of His mouth. These things are unexplainable by human reason. But God doesn't expect us to explain those things, all He asks is that we trust Him by believing in Him. And that is what I do. I believe the word of God totally, fully, and truly! Amen. That is what saves. That is saving faith! Do you believe God? That is the question. Not do you understand the mind, will, counsel, and actions of God? Because no man can understand those things. God is infinite and we are finite. Amen.
 
Basically it's three personas of individual? Like one can be at three different places at once. That's explained in string theory.
 
" Can you WILLINGLY deny the deity of Jesus Christ and still be saved?"

Absolutely, just ask a muslim iman or jewish rabbi.
 
Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost...

Why is there no feminine principle in this but when the god man incarnates on earth he has to be birthed by a woman? What happen to as above as so below?
 
whar;6701396 said:
" Can you WILLINGLY deny the deity of Jesus Christ and still be saved?"

Absolutely, just ask a muslim iman or jewish rabbi.

Ahhhhh....My friend whar! How you been buddy. The LORD is still tugging at your heart I see. Seek Him while He may be found! Call upon Him while He is near! He loves you my friend. Are you willing to come to the LORD Jesus Christ and receive eternal life and forgiveness of your sins today?

 
beenwize;6702638 said:
Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost...

Why is there no feminine principle in this but when the god man incarnates on earth he has to be birthed by a woman? What happen to as above as so below?

What's your point?
 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6704761 said:
b eenwize;6702638 said:
Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost...

Why is there no feminine principle in this but when the god man incarnates on earth he has to be birthed by a woman? What happen to as above as so below?

What's your point?

My point is your ignorance to that fact. did you run out of scripture to quote?
 
beenwize;6704837 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6704761 said:
b eenwize;6702638 said:
Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost...

Why is there no feminine principle in this but when the god man incarnates on earth he has to be birthed by a woman? What happen to as above as so below?

What's your point?

My point is your ignorance to that fact. did you run out of scripture to quote?

You made no point. You just rambled about foolishness, as usual

 
It Ain't Ralph Doe;6704840 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;6704823 said:
It Ain't Ralph Doe;6704791 said:
he saves everyone in the end.....

Please explain your position my friend.

god wont let anyone actually suffer an eternal punishment in some lake of fire...he saves us all

Even Judas? The beast? The false prophet? And the devil?

Please post scripture to substantiate your claim.
 
God incarnates on earth through a female, but we have Father Son and Holy Ghost.. No mention of a divine feminine in this.. As above as so below? Not in this case and i see you have no scripture you religious fundamentalist lunatic.
 
beenwize;6704954 said:
God incarnates on earth through a female, but we have Father Son and Holy Ghost.. No mention of a divine feminine in this.. As above as so below? Not in this case and i see you have no scripture you religious fundamentalist lunatic.

Like I said, you have no point.
 

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