Puff Daddy's Response to "Hit Em Up"

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TrillRussell;6914203 said:
mr.october;6914143 said:
TrillRussell;6913907 said:
Niggas were throwing rocks and hiding their hands when he was alive tho..When they got asked about it in the media they were on some "We love Pac idk why he's going off like this" kinda shit..then they'd go shoot sub shots..I mean there is some stanning going on in this bitch..but then again there is some niggas that are tryna rewrite history about how cowardish alot of these rappers were out here when it came to addressing Pac man to man as well..they weren't checking him like y'all tryna make it seem

I basically said the same shit only difference is that u seem to be coming from the angle was tougher cuz he was talking shit in the open. If he wasn't afraid 2 throw rocks the nigga can't be scared. Don't mean he ain't a pussy but it shows he ain't fearful of the dude. Besides I thought the facts of this beef as we know it were established already. Ultimate truth is they all had goons n all had guns n nobody was scared of nobody n it resulted in 2 young rappers dying for reasons still not fully proven in the eyes of the law.

Your argument is backwards my nig...let me get this straight..You're saying the man that isn't afraid to say fuck you and not be fearful to get down about it if you had A problem with it could still be A pussy..But the nigga that would tell you "I got love for you man..calm down all the hostility isn't necessary" to you then go and say Fuck you behind your back or subliminally diss you doesn't make that man A pussy?..first time i've ever heard something to that tune..

No nigga I never he wasn't pussy, I said he wasn't scared of pac. Don't let what they put out thru official media outlets n official statements fool u. Just cuz he was like "we love Pac" don't mean he ain't have dudes snatching death row chains, right? him talking smack w/o worries proves he wasn't scared. At least 2 me. Idk bout u but to me there is a difference in a pussy and a scared nigga. A pussy still can shoot n a scared nigga won't work up the nerve to. Hope that clarifies my 'faulty argument' 2 u homie.
 
Also I never said pac was pussy. Just said he wasn't that tough. If it ain't evident with all the docs n stories about him by now, u just believe all that super thug shit he was kicking. Like I said puff is a pussy but wasn't scared of pac cuz he wasn't scary. Puff saying "l love you" in a facetious way don't mean he actually meant it. We all smart enough to catch on to sarcasm homes.
 
TrillRussell;6916379 said:
Some of y'all act like having A criminal record before rap is some kinda stamp that he's A gangsta..like bitch niggas don't go to jail..And The shit Pac was getting locked up for outside of shooting those Cops and that phony Sexual harassment case were basically fist fights..And That time he went upside A nigga's head with A baseball bat..Same type of shit he was prolly doing all his life before rap but they let slide because he was the average nigga and nobody knew who he was..but once he "made a record" he built A certain reputation on his rise to fame as the "Anti Police/Anti government/Black Panther" rapper..So of course with him being as wild as he was with A big mouth with all that fame he was gone get locked up for some shit..

Yeah, those documentaries where people were talking about pre fame Pac said how Pac was always fighting and doing rebellious type stuff.
 
mr.october;6916871 said:
Also I never said pac was pussy. Just said he wasn't that tough. If it ain't evident with all the docs n stories about him by now, u just believe all that super thug shit he was kicking. Like I said puff is a pussy but wasn't scared of pac cuz he wasn't scary. Puff saying "l love you" in a facetious way don't mean he actually meant it. We all smart enough to catch on to sarcasm homes.

Cmon now, we cant call Pac a hot head that got people killed behid his recklessness...then also say he also wasnt tough. Cant have it both ways.

He was tough---it may not have been smart and definitely cost his life---but he was tough.

The reason why i feel Suge did Pac wrong was he didnt shield him or explain to him how deep that Blood shyt was.

How u got the star and money maker gettin his feet dirty (literally). They treated Pac like he was a soldier. And Pac's loyalty was his downfall, b.c they bailed him out and was helpin him go to war so he WAS acting like a soldier, when in reality he should have been a boss callin shots etc.
 
Me1971;6915572 said:
themadlionsfan;6914311 said:
TrillRussell;6912847 said:
BackInWhite;6912515 said:
How u know this shit?

Documentaries?..Quotes from people that knew 2pac personally..A nigga that Was involved in the scheme?..All 2pac's homies hit the floor and he wouldn't..They asked him for his jewels he aint wanna give 'em up..They put the gun to his stomach,he pushed it out of the way tried to reach for his and got lit...

and the gun that he had wasn't even his....he was carrying for someone else because Pac was the only one in the crew that didn't have a criminal record

Pac didn't have a record? Pac had a huge record by 94. He even spent 15 days in jail the previous year.

1992 - Tupac was arrested after being involved in an altercation in which a stray bullet killed a child, but the charges were later dismissed.

April 5, 1993 - Tupac spent 10 days in a Michigan prison for beating another rapper with a baseball bat.

October 31, 1993 - Tupac allegedly stopped to help a black motorist who he felt was being harassed by the policemen. A fight broke out and Tupac shot one policemen in the leg and the other in the buttocks. When it was determined that the policemen were intoxicated and carrying guns taken from the police evidence room, the charges were dropped.

November 18, 1993 - Shakur was arrested on the sexual abuse and sodomy charges and weapons charges in New York City. The sodomy and weapons charges were dropped.

November 10, 1994 - Tupac, slated to star in the movie Meance II, punched the director Allen Hughes. He spent 15 days in prison and was replaced in the movie by Larenz Tate.

I was wrong about him not having a record....but he for damn sure didn't have a huge record.......two convictions for assault
 
mr.october;6916871 said:
Also I never said pac was pussy. Just said he wasn't that tough. If it ain't evident with all the docs n stories about him by now, u just believe all that super thug shit he was kicking. Like I said puff is a pussy but wasn't scared of pac cuz he wasn't scary. Puff saying "l love you" in a facetious way don't mean he actually meant it. We all smart enough to catch on to sarcasm homes.

You aint gotta be A super thug to be man enough to tell A nigga Fuck you,Fuck everything you stand for and if you don't like it do something about it...Fuck that Sarcastic sneaky way of dissing a nigga..I aint with it..If A real man got A problem with you he aint gone go about it in A round about way..He gone get at you directly..
 
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TrillRussell;6917593 said:
mr.october;6916871 said:
Also I never said pac was pussy. Just said he wasn't that tough. If it ain't evident with all the docs n stories about him by now, u just believe all that super thug shit he was kicking. Like I said puff is a pussy but wasn't scared of pac cuz he wasn't scary. Puff saying "l love you" in a facetious way don't mean he actually meant it. We all smart enough to catch on to sarcasm homes.

You aint gotta be A super thug to be man enough to tell A nigga Fuck you,Fuck everything you stand for and if you don't like it do something about it...Fuck that Sarcastic sneaky way of dissing a nigga..I aint with it..If A real man got A problem with you he aint gone go about it in A round about way..He gone get at you directly..

That's how hoe ass Puffy & his friends was doing in the beef. Throwing rocks & hiding hands, them niggas was some straight frauds
 
themadlionsfan;6917439 said:
Me1971;6915572 said:
themadlionsfan;6914311 said:
TrillRussell;6912847 said:
BackInWhite;6912515 said:
How u know this shit?

Documentaries?..Quotes from people that knew 2pac personally..A nigga that Was involved in the scheme?..All 2pac's homies hit the floor and he wouldn't..They asked him for his jewels he aint wanna give 'em up..They put the gun to his stomach,he pushed it out of the way tried to reach for his and got lit...

and the gun that he had wasn't even his....he was carrying for someone else because Pac was the only one in the crew that didn't have a criminal record

Pac didn't have a record? Pac had a huge record by 94. He even spent 15 days in jail the previous year.

1992 - Tupac was arrested after being involved in an altercation in which a stray bullet killed a child, but the charges were later dismissed.

April 5, 1993 - Tupac spent 10 days in a Michigan prison for beating another rapper with a baseball bat.

October 31, 1993 - Tupac allegedly stopped to help a black motorist who he felt was being harassed by the policemen. A fight broke out and Tupac shot one policemen in the leg and the other in the buttocks. When it was determined that the policemen were intoxicated and carrying guns taken from the police evidence room, the charges were dropped.

November 18, 1993 - Shakur was arrested on the sexual abuse and sodomy charges and weapons charges in New York City. The sodomy and weapons charges were dropped.

November 10, 1994 - Tupac, slated to star in the movie Meance II, punched the director Allen Hughes. He spent 15 days in prison and was replaced in the movie by Larenz Tate.

I was wrong about him not having a record....but he for damn sure didn't have a huge record.......two convictions for assault

There's more to his record

from what I remember. I believe he was being beaten and arrested by the cops in 91 on the day his very first video appeared on TV. He sued the cops and won. He was also arrested for beating up his limo driver. Yeah, you're right, his record isn't as extensive as I had originally thought. I may be getting his lawsuits and mischief outside of the booth confused with his rap sheet. They say he had 16 different cases at any one time lol.
 
themadlionsfan;6917439 said:
Me1971;6915572 said:
themadlionsfan;6914311 said:
TrillRussell;6912847 said:
BackInWhite;6912515 said:
How u know this shit?

Documentaries?..Quotes from people that knew 2pac personally..A nigga that Was involved in the scheme?..All 2pac's homies hit the floor and he wouldn't..They asked him for his jewels he aint wanna give 'em up..They put the gun to his stomach,he pushed it out of the way tried to reach for his and got lit...

and the gun that he had wasn't even his....he was carrying for someone else because Pac was the only one in the crew that didn't have a criminal record

Pac didn't have a record? Pac had a huge record by 94. He even spent 15 days in jail the previous year.

1992 - Tupac was arrested after being involved in an altercation in which a stray bullet killed a child, but the charges were later dismissed.

April 5, 1993 - Tupac spent 10 days in a Michigan prison for beating another rapper with a baseball bat.

October 31, 1993 - Tupac allegedly stopped to help a black motorist who he felt was being harassed by the policemen. A fight broke out and Tupac shot one policemen in the leg and the other in the buttocks. When it was determined that the policemen were intoxicated and carrying guns taken from the police evidence room, the charges were dropped.

November 18, 1993 - Shakur was arrested on the sexual abuse and sodomy charges and weapons charges in New York City. The sodomy and weapons charges were dropped.

November 10, 1994 - Tupac, slated to star in the movie Meance II, punched the director Allen Hughes. He spent 15 days in prison and was replaced in the movie by Larenz Tate.

I was wrong about him not having a record....but he for damn sure didn't have a huge record.......two convictions for assault

Not sure in what context you say that.. but in general alot of people can be some bad mafuckas but alot of their "crimes" have just never come to light but a few e.g getting caught and arrested, charged.

 
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I ain't gonna quote niggas cuz I'll agree 2 disagree. Yall make it seem like these dude's weren't in a corporate business industry n there ain't politics in it. I'd like to ask how does being reckless make u tough? A nigga with a gun is dangerous imo but not tough. I'm not here to change minds I'm stating my opinion. I don't propose my opinion is fact. That's why a lot of y'all always go back n forth name calling in discussions n all that. Cuz y'all want what u think to be right. Shit is gray not black n white. Pussies bust guns n so called tough guys snitch in the world. Just saying maybe it's not 1 way.

 
themadlionsfan;6917439 said:
Me1971;6915572 said:
themadlionsfan;6914311 said:
TrillRussell;6912847 said:
BackInWhite;6912515 said:
How u know this shit?

Documentaries?..Quotes from people that knew 2pac personally..A nigga that Was involved in the scheme?..All 2pac's homies hit the floor and he wouldn't..They asked him for his jewels he aint wanna give 'em up..They put the gun to his stomach,he pushed it out of the way tried to reach for his and got lit...

and the gun that he had wasn't even his....he was carrying for someone else because Pac was the only one in the crew that didn't have a criminal record

Pac didn't have a record? Pac had a huge record by 94. He even spent 15 days in jail the previous year.

1992 - Tupac was arrested after being involved in an altercation in which a stray bullet killed a child, but the charges were later dismissed.

April 5, 1993 - Tupac spent 10 days in a Michigan prison for beating another rapper with a baseball bat.

October 31, 1993 - Tupac allegedly stopped to help a black motorist who he felt was being harassed by the policemen. A fight broke out and Tupac shot one policemen in the leg and the other in the buttocks. When it was determined that the policemen were intoxicated and carrying guns taken from the police evidence room, the charges were dropped.

November 18, 1993 - Shakur was arrested on the sexual abuse and sodomy charges and weapons charges in New York City. The sodomy and weapons charges were dropped.

November 10, 1994 - Tupac, slated to star in the movie Meance II, punched the director Allen Hughes. He spent 15 days in prison and was replaced in the movie by Larenz Tate.

I was wrong about him not having a record....but he for damn sure didn't have a huge record.......two convictions for assault

i think there are lil more
 

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