pro,against,or on the fence of integration...

[jono]

Segregation is a foolish concept and any blacks that was willing to ride with it just shows their immaturity and lack of foresight.

You wasn't ever going to get your own government or courts or police forces or prisons and any laws will be written and enforced by white folks.

Agreeing to becoming second class citizens is by far the dumbest shit militants perpetuate. What kind of fool welcomes apartheid regimes?

Not necessarily. It worked for Jews amazingly

Where?

 

[NoCompetition]

I enjoy being able to swim in pools, eat at restaurants, etc. Also its useless to separate people based on "race". All black people aint your friend or somebody you want to deal with and you may want to deal with other people. Segregation was a way to legally deny blacks of services, opportunities, etc. So no i aint mad that legal segregation ended. It was ridiculous.

 

[The Iconoclast]

I acknowledge cultural relativism, so I don't have an universal answer that can be applied globally. However, for the US, I support integration. Since our country was founded upon an anarchy fueled notion that freedom/accountability would prevent tyranny. Equality is an integral fixture in the American mythos.

I understand the concept of the 'separate but equal' proposition, but it isn't practical in reality by reason of social stratification among other things.

I'm of the opinion that integration mitigates the effects of social stratification and helps the myriad of ethnic/social groups in our country shed harmful misconceptions of one another.

We been there, done that. Classism is the new racism.[/color=red][/size=6] That keeps us separate more than anything. We can integrate all we want. We just need to take care of home, we're the only people who regularly destroy our own culture.[/color=red][/size=6] We can integrate all we want, but guess what? It ain't changin shit because we still broke. We should probably try to integrate with ourselves first.

I hope you realize your erroneous & offensive stance is also espoused by white supremacists.

There are tons of poor white people on Stormfront & Chimpout who share your opinion and claim they have it just as bad as poor blacks and blacks are so inferior that they're the only 'race' who hurt one another and commit crimes against one another.

 

[zombie]

I really worry about the back grounds of some of you people your view points are so ducking naive

 

[zombie]

do you people realize we are a capitalist society? all that matters is power and money and they're not going to share with you. we only integrated in the first place because it fit the interst of white society

 

[NoCompetition]

are you in favor of blacks and Hispanics integrating into mainstream society even more than ever?do you essentially consider yourself an American or are you African America,puerto rican,Colombian,etc..?

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Its a personal thing at this point. Im not saying everything is all good, but at least segregation isnt legal. Also nobody cares at all generally if different people come into a restaurant for instance. Nobody says "you cant eat here because of your skin tone" or whatever. I dont see anyone politically talking about bringing back segregation, that fight been fought integration won so nothing to argue about. But people can deal with who they want long as its within the law.

 

[kzzl]

I'm pro-segregation.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

I understand the concept of the 'separate but equal' proposition, but it isn't practical in reality by reason of social stratification among other things.

I'm of the opinion that integration mitigates the effects of social stratification and helps the myriad of ethnic/social groups in our country shed harmful misconceptions of one another.

it is practical. There used to be many prosperous black neighborhoods, businesses, and schools. They were destroyed by violence in some cases. Similar ethnic communities exist without interference from violent white mobs and economic sanctions. You ever been to a jewish neighborhood in NY?

its practical, but white supremacists have made it difficult.

Integration has only helped to magnify many issues in the black community.

shit is still segregated. the only difference now is that black communities are worse off.

I'm not a pro segregationist, but it is a practical idea if implemented correctly.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Segregation is a foolish concept and any blacks that was willing to ride with it just shows their immaturity and lack of foresight.

You wasn't ever going to get your own government or courts or police forces or prisons and any laws will be written and enforced by white folks.

Agreeing to becoming second class citizens is by far the dumbest shit militants perpetuate. What kind of fool welcomes apartheid regimes?

Not necessarily. It worked for Jews amazingly

Where?

America and arguably Eastern Europe (pogroms and holocaust weren't reactions to segregation)

 

[mryounggun]

All things being equal, integration is the best viable option. Because 'separate but equal' will only work if we have a REAL political infrastructure in place. Our own legal system, schools, etc. As long as we're still guests in their legal system specifically, the separate but equal shit will be a myth.

 

[Trollio]

The bitches

oh lordy the bitches

 

[Paul Hate.]

im somewhere in between, leaning towards integration actually.

I see myself as American w/heavy Dominican blood and some Cuban influences and culture...

I do support a lot of my peoples businesses,(baber shops,car dealerships,mechanics,restaurants,grocery stores,etc)arts,events and even athletes like pujols,arod,horford,etc

And I do prefer dealing w/my own first and then other Hispanic peoples second even in regards to my women dating and sex..

I live in a heavy Dominican populated neighborhood and wouldn't live in a city where there are no carribean style hispanics..Wouldn't live in Detroit or Los Angeles..for example.

BUT I DO NOT GO OUT MY WAY FOR ALL THAT EITHER.. I rarely go back to d.r. and never been to cuba.I know some current events down there but not much following

..don't care in the long run if I marry a latin chic anymore but I do prefer them first even if its just for sex...Don't vote to begin w/but I would support a democratic Dominican candidate down the line...

Most important thing imo is to support eachothers businesses and support causes that benfit our people like immigration reform and urban renewal program assistance to d.r.,etc...but money is the main thing..circulating our money...

 

[The Iconoclast]

I understand the concept of the 'separate but equal' proposition, but it isn't practical in reality by reason of social stratification among other things.

I'm of the opinion that integration mitigates the effects of social stratification and helps the myriad of ethnic/social groups in our country shed harmful misconceptions of one another.

it is practical. There used to be many prosperous black neighborhoods, businesses, and schools. They were destroyed by violence in some cases. Similar ethnic communities exist without interference from violent white mobs and economic sanctions. You ever been to a jewish neighborhood in NY?

its practical, but white supremacists have made it difficult.

Integration has only helped to magnify many issues in the black community.

shit is still segregated. the only difference now is that black communities are worse off.

I'm not a pro segregationist, but it is a practical idea if implemented correctly.

I completely disagree with your assertion that black communities were better off then during the overtly oppressive jim crow era, than we are now.

That clearly isn't true, even if I were to use your standard for measurement - we have more prosperous black neighborhoods, businesses, and schools now. We are collectively at the highest point we've ever been socio-economically, and we'll keep moving forward as our educational attainment continues to progress. As a matter of fact, back then not only were there a higher percentage of blacks stricken with abject poverty, even our most prosperous neighborhoods, businesses, and schools paled in comparison to their white counterparts.

Segregation isn't practical even "if implemented correctly". Yes racism is alive and well, and we as a people still suffer from the effects of the systemic racism created back when our ancestors were enslaved. Nevertheless, by way of public policy and social progression, our society has permanently upraised the aspiration of becoming a paragon of diversity and tolerance right next to striving to appear as a beacon of freedom and capitalism. Both of these yearnings are now ingrained in our culture and have become virtually irreversible.

We (blacks in america) couldn't push for nor implement segregation even if we tried because the majority of us wouldn't support it (because again we've been conditioned by our society to value diversity/tolerance) and it also would be a proverbial spit in the face to the civil rights activists who fought (and some cases died) for desegregation during the Jim Crow era.

It's understandable if one is attracted to the idea of 'separate but equal' but it is imperative that one doesn't confuse its theoretical allure with its practicality.

 

[Paul Hate.]

I don't think theres more black business now than before actually..probably more home ownership and women w/degrees.

 

[Plutarch]

are you in favor of blacks and Hispanics integrating into mainstream society even more than ever?do you essentially consider yourself an American or are you African America,puerto rican,Colombian,etc..?

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Tbh, if I understand the question correctly, I'm not sure that I care too much about any of that. And if I did, it'd be irrelevant because I think that individual freedom trumps any of that.

I'm in favor of anybody advocating whatever the hell they want and calling themselves whatever they want as long as they don't directly interfere with anybody else's decision to advocate whatever the hell they want or call themselves whatever the hell they want.

I don't mind giving advice, but it's not my choice to "decide" for others regardless of whatever decision is "right" or "wrong." You gotta decide for yourself and live with the consequences even if you make the "wrong" decision.

 

[kzzl]

I'm just another American, descended from Africans.

White people would love to say that I'm African American, but they'll look at me crazy for calling them European American. Remember all that "Take America Back Stuff"? That's nothing more than white racist entitlement trying to claim a land they stole as their territory. Which is ironically very anti-integration like.

I view siding with integration now is supporting white racial supremacy. It's just Black people settling, with a very thin line separating it from assimilation. That "pro-black" stuff ain't working and we have lost. Now you're telling us to get in while we fit in.

I get that some of y'all are looking at life and realize the grass is greener on one side. But we will never be at our best in a society engineered to hate and exploit us. The glass really is just half full for us.

 

[NoCompetition]

im somewhere in between, leaning towards integration actually.

I see myself as American w/heavy Dominican blood and some Cuban influences and culture...

I do support a lot of my peoples businesses,(baber shops,car dealerships,mechanics,restaurants,grocery stores,etc)arts,events and even athletes like pujols,arod,horford,etc

And I do prefer dealing w/my own first and then other Hispanic peoples second even in regards to my women dating and sex..

I live in a heavy Dominican populated neighborhood and wouldn't live in a city where there are no carribean style hispanics..Wouldn't live in Detroit or Los Angeles..for example.

BUT I DO NOT GO OUT MY WAY FOR ALL THAT EITHER.. I rarely go back to d.r. and never been to cuba.I know some current events down there but not much following

..don't care in the long run if I marry a latin chic anymore but I do prefer them first even if its just for sex...Don't vote to begin w/but I would support a democratic Dominican candidate down the line...

Most important thing imo is to support eachothers businesses and support causes that benfit our people like immigration reform and urban renewal program assistance to d.r.,etc...but money is the main thing..circulating our money...

I can respect that. Some on here claim to be black but its obvious many on here arent. I can respect being real about who you are. Nice topic for discussion. Integration won its 2014. The country and world is just getting more multicultural and influenced by different cultures. Sucks to be a "segregationist" in 2014. haha the world done passed yall by.

 

[white715]

I have never heard anyone who lived through segragation talk about how good it was or speak negitively on integration.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of this country is still segragated . My hometown Buffalo, NY is one of the most segragated cities in America, the neighborhoods I grew up in and the schools I went to from kindergarten to 8th grade where about 95% black.

The neighborhood was rough, poverty, crime, gangs , drugs all that type of stuff, and the schools were bad as well not enough supplies, overcrowded classrooms, the building itself being run down and in need of repair.

Just because we where in our own little bubble away from other races didn't mean we had it good. In fact the schools in the suburbs and in North Buffalo are light years ahead of the ones on the East side.

 

[_Lefty]

I acknowledge cultural relativism, so I don't have an universal answer that can be applied globally. However, for the US, I support integration. Since our country was founded upon an anarchy fueled notion that freedom/accountability would prevent tyranny. Equality is an integral fixture in the American mythos.

I understand the concept of the 'separate but equal' proposition, but it isn't practical in reality by reason of social stratification among other things.

I'm of the opinion that integration mitigates the effects of social stratification and helps the myriad of ethnic/social groups in our country shed harmful misconceptions of one another.

We been there, done that. Classism is the new racism.[/color=red][/size=6] That keeps us separate more than anything. We can integrate all we want. We just need to take care of home, we're the only people who regularly destroy our own culture.[/color=red][/size=6] We can integrate all we want, but guess what? It ain't changin shit because we still broke. We should probably try to integrate with ourselves first.

I hope you realize your erroneous & offensive stance is also espoused by white supremacists.

There are tons of poor white people on Stormfront & Chimpout who share your opinion and claim they have it just as bad as poor blacks and blacks are so inferior that they're the only 'race' who hurt one another and commit crimes against one another.

Don't know what stormfront or chimpout is. Don't care about any other race's opinion when it come to mine. We're in the postition where we can affect change without the help we needed in pre 90s america. They're not the gatekeepers they once were. The fact that I live in a city where there are currently 53 homicides this year and I know for a fact it was young black men, for the most part shooting young black men, and 3 of cases happened in the last couple days, all black men. We're not the only ones, but we definitely do it at the highest rate. As far as classism being the new racism, that might have been a little stretch, but believe me homie. Classism is real, i identify with white boys around my way as much as if not more than the blacks that have "made it". We get it from both angles because many of us are poor, and you can't understand being black even if you are poor and white, but they feel our pain at times. They just stopped a wal-mart from being built in one suburb here because of the "traffic" it would bring. I see just as many white people there as black. Like I said, the bottom line is we need to get our money up and stop killing each other, fuck what chimpout, and stormfront say I gotta worry about my brother turnin his gun on me, as well as police. This ain't the internet bruh, this real life. White boy shoot his gun at the computer screen I won't get hit. Try that in the streets. We have so much spending power, and voting power that if we put it together and move as one, they'll have no choice but to respect us.

 

[jono]

Segregation is a foolish concept and any blacks that was willing to ride with it just shows their immaturity and lack of foresight.

You wasn't ever going to get your own government or courts or police forces or prisons and any laws will be written and enforced by white folks.

Agreeing to becoming second class citizens is by far the dumbest shit militants perpetuate. What kind of fool welcomes apartheid regimes?

Not necessarily. It worked for Jews amazingly

Where?

America and arguably Eastern Europe (pogroms and holocaust weren't reactions to segregation)

They weren't segregated in any major way. That's like saying the Irish or Italians faced segregation on a measurable scale because there was some trepidation about them coming here.