President Ahmadinejad speaks about Bible Prophecy! Destruction of Babylon and the 10 kings!

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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4946834 said:
2. Gods purpose in the judgment is to cause severe trauma in order to turn the rebellious back to Him and judge those who will not repent.

1 Corinthians 13:4-6;4946834 said:
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil

e·vil

adjective

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.

2. harmful; injurious

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.

Isaiah 45:7;4946834 said:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Romans 12:21;4946834 said:
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good

Why would God's judgment require evil and calamity; violence and suffering? Surely, an all knowing and all powerful god would and definitely could resort to peaceful action as opposed to violent solutions. Even his actions against mankind contradicts his law for man as written in the Bible.
 
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West Brooklyn ;4946979 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4946834 said:
2. Gods purpose in the judgment is to cause severe trauma in order to turn the rebellious back to Him and judge those who will not repent.

1 Corinthians 13:4-6;4946834 said:
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil

e·vil

adjective

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.

2. harmful; injurious

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.

Isaiah 45:7;4946834 said:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Romans 12:21;4946834 said:
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good

Why would God's judgment require evil and calamity; violence and suffering? Surely, an all knowing and all powerful god would and definitely could resort to peaceful action as opposed to violent solutions.

God is extending mercy and grace right now my brother, but yet what is the world doing? Is the world increasing in godliness? Is the world seeking after the LORD? No. Look at your life my brother? God is not judging you. Are you turning to the LORD? Have you repented? Have you cried out for forgivness? Not yet.

Thus God will use the last days to turn many hearts back to Him. And yes, it will be terrible, bloody, and violent. But the souls of men will ultimately be saved in the process. Fear not them who can kill the body brother. But fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.

 
West Brooklyn ;4947015 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4946960 said:
The whole world is going to be judged

No, you say that America is to be judged. America is not close to the top atheistic country. Why is America enemy number one when there are 10 other countries above America in terms of atheist population?

America is the harlot my brother. In the past she had a personal relationship with the LORD, but she cheated on the LORD and prostituted herself with the whole world. The Bible tells us to whom much is given, shall much be required. Therefore, because God has given this nation so much light, the standards that she is held to is much higher than other nations.

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947023 said:
Thus God will use the last days to turn many hearts back to Him. And yes, it will be terrible, bloody, and violent. But the souls of men will ultimately be saved in the process. Fear not them who can kill the body brother. But fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.

It would be more intelligent, in my limited human understanding and knowledable opinion, to turn hearts back to God in a peaceful manner as opposed to terrible violence. Let's say for argument's sake that God did appear from the clouds and beheaded a nonbeliever in front of thousands of people. Why would anyone want to follow a God who throws violent fits of rage without properly showing man the way to live? Being omnipotent, he has the capacity to do so, but according to you, he would rather kill me than teach and rehabilitate me. Would it not be better to show me the way by offering proof of his existence and give me the chance to live my life following his [peaceful] laws rather than saying "I give up" and murdering me in cold blood without giving me the chance to better myself as an individual and servant of God? No souls would be saved that way. More souls would be saved by going the peaceful route. At least, if I were God, that's what I would do. But hey, I'm only a mere mortal. What do I know?

 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947061 said:
America is the harlot my brother. In the past she had a personal relationship with the LORD, but she cheated on the LORD and prostituted herself with the whole world. The Bible tells us to whom much is given, shall much be required. Therefore, because God has given this nation so much light, the standards that she is held to is much higher than other nations.

At what point did America have a relationship with any god that it doesn't have now? Maybe America had a relationship with God when European settlers committed murder and genocide against the natives? Or wait, maybe America had this wonderful relationship with God when blacks were getting dragged behind trucks and hanged on trees? Maybe when Americans were bombing and burning people throughout its history. Let me know where God comes into play
 
West Brooklyn ;4947067 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947023 said:
Thus God will use the last days to turn many hearts back to Him. And yes, it will be terrible, bloody, and violent. But the souls of men will ultimately be saved in the process. Fear not them who can kill the body brother. But fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.

It would be more intelligent, in my limited human understanding and knowledable opinion, to turn hearts back to God in a peaceful manner as opposed to terrible violence. Let's say for argument's sake that God did appear from the clouds and beheaded a nonbeliever in front of thousands of people. Why would anyone want to follow a God who throws violent fits of rage without properly showing man the way to live? Being omnipotent, he has the capacity to do so, but according to you, he would rather kill me than teach and rehabilitate me. Would it not be better to show me the way by offering proof of his existence and give me the chance to live my life following his [peaceful] laws rather than saying "I give up" and murdering me in cold blood without giving me the chance to better myself as an individual and servant of God? No souls would be saved that way. More souls would be saved by going the peaceful route. At least, if I were God, that's what I would do. But hey, I'm only a mere mortal. What do I know?

How about today? God is mercifully extending grace to you now. He is holding off His judgment because He is giving you a chance to turn to Him. He is sending His servants to tell you about the LORD Jesus Christ day in and day out. But what do you do? You deny Him, you deny His love, you deny His grace, you deny His forgiveness, and you deny His mercy! But God is still being patient with you even in all of your denials! God is still reaching out to you! God is still extending His hand of fellowship! God is still crying out to you and pleading with you to turn from your sinful ways by accepting the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior!

So the ball is in your court my brother. The evil days of judgment are not here yet! Mercy and grace are still being offered to you! But the longer you deny Him, the harder your heart is getting. That's your willful choice though my brother. The Bible tells us that heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it? Only God can know the heart and search it out. Thus God will use the end of the age to search out the hearts of those who needed trauma in order to bring them to repentance. Amen.

 
West Brooklyn ;4947096 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947061 said:
America is the harlot my brother. In the past she had a personal relationship with the LORD, but she cheated on the LORD and prostituted herself with the whole world. The Bible tells us to whom much is given, shall much be required. Therefore, because God has given this nation so much light, the standards that she is held to is much higher than other nations.

At what point did America have a relationship with any god that it doesn't have now? Maybe America had a relationship with God when European settlers committed murder and genocide against the natives? Or wait, maybe America had this wonderful relationship with God when blacks were getting dragged behind trucks and hanged on trees? Maybe when Americans were bombing and burning people throughout its history. Let me know where God comes into play

Has there been a very checkered past for the nation of America? Yes, there has been. No nation was set up perfectly, because all nations founders were founded by sinful men and women. Sin is and has always been part of the equation. But the principles of God played a big part in the founding of this nation. Even with all the wickedness that went on in this country, God still used the nation of America to be the greatest light the world has ever seen, since the ancient nation of Israel.

But the prophecies are also clear and tell us that Babylon practiced sorcery and witchcraft from the beginning.

"Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail." Isaiah 47:12

There's alot more to this but the Bible spells it all out in the prophets. Mystery Babylon the Great isn't called a mystery by coincidence! A lot of study and prayer is needed in order to fully grasp the mystery of Babylon the Great. LORD willing God will continue to use me in order to help others see the truth of the scriptures. Amen.
 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947194 said:
West Brooklyn ;4947067 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947023 said:
Thus God will use the last days to turn many hearts back to Him. And yes, it will be terrible, bloody, and violent. But the souls of men will ultimately be saved in the process. Fear not them who can kill the body brother. But fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.

It would be more intelligent, in my limited human understanding and knowledable opinion, to turn hearts back to God in a peaceful manner as opposed to terrible violence. Let's say for argument's sake that God did appear from the clouds and beheaded a nonbeliever in front of thousands of people. Why would anyone want to follow a God who throws violent fits of rage without properly showing man the way to live? Being omnipotent, he has the capacity to do so, but according to you, he would rather kill me than teach and rehabilitate me. Would it not be better to show me the way by offering proof of his existence and give me the chance to live my life following his [peaceful] laws rather than saying "I give up" and murdering me in cold blood without giving me the chance to better myself as an individual and servant of God? No souls would be saved that way. More souls would be saved by going the peaceful route. At least, if I were God, that's what I would do. But hey, I'm only a mere mortal. What do I know?

How about today? God is mercifully extending grace to you now. He is holding off His judgment because He is giving you a chance to turn to Him. He is sending His servants to tell you about the LORD Jesus Christ day in and day out. But what do you do? You deny Him, you deny His love, you deny His grace, you deny His forgiveness, and you deny His mercy! But God is still being patient with you even in all of your denials! God is still reaching out to you! God is still extending His hand of fellowship! God is still crying out to you and pleading with you to turn from your sinful ways by accepting the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior!

If God is real and he is the creator of all beings and is omniscient, he then should know his creations and he should know my mind and the fact that I do not accept things by blind faith. There are a lot of people with a lot of different things to say -- some of these things are true; other things not so much. God could easily show me that he is real and his message is just as real but I have not been given any proof, therefore I must conclude that he does not exist.
 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947290 said:
Sin is and has always been part of the equation. But the principles of God played a big part in the founding of this nation. Even with all the wickedness that went on in this country, God still used the nation of America to be the greatest light the world has ever seen, since the ancient nation of Israel.

So you're saying what was done to the natives and the african slaves is okay because the people who committed these atrocities were reading the Bible?

Why would God bring America up in the position to fuck everybody in the world over including himself (when America has been doing that from jump) to just turn around and get angry enough to destroy it?
 
West Brooklyn ;4947331 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947194 said:
West Brooklyn ;4947067 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947023 said:
Thus God will use the last days to turn many hearts back to Him. And yes, it will be terrible, bloody, and violent. But the souls of men will ultimately be saved in the process. Fear not them who can kill the body brother. But fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.

It would be more intelligent, in my limited human understanding and knowledable opinion, to turn hearts back to God in a peaceful manner as opposed to terrible violence. Let's say for argument's sake that God did appear from the clouds and beheaded a nonbeliever in front of thousands of people. Why would anyone want to follow a God who throws violent fits of rage without properly showing man the way to live? Being omnipotent, he has the capacity to do so, but according to you, he would rather kill me than teach and rehabilitate me. Would it not be better to show me the way by offering proof of his existence and give me the chance to live my life following his [peaceful] laws rather than saying "I give up" and murdering me in cold blood without giving me the chance to better myself as an individual and servant of God? No souls would be saved that way. More souls would be saved by going the peaceful route. At least, if I were God, that's what I would do. But hey, I'm only a mere mortal. What do I know?

How about today? God is mercifully extending grace to you now. He is holding off His judgment because He is giving you a chance to turn to Him. He is sending His servants to tell you about the LORD Jesus Christ day in and day out. But what do you do? You deny Him, you deny His love, you deny His grace, you deny His forgiveness, and you deny His mercy! But God is still being patient with you even in all of your denials! God is still reaching out to you! God is still extending His hand of fellowship! God is still crying out to you and pleading with you to turn from your sinful ways by accepting the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior!

If God is real and he is the creator of all beings and is omniscient, he then should know his creations and he should know my mind and the fact that I do not accept things by blind faith. There are a lot of people with a lot of different things to say -- some of these things are true; other things not so much. God could easily show me that he is real and his message is just as real but I have not been given any proof, therefore I must conclude that he does not exist.

It's not blind faith my brother. The LORD has shown me He is real on numerous occasions. But the qualifying factor was that I believed that He existed. Thus, God acted on my faith by strengthening it. There was nothing blind about my faith. Faith in the LORD is elementary. Creation itself proves that there is a God. Thus, when I cried out for the LORD to reveal Himself to me, because I knew that there is a God, He manifested His power to me. Nowhere in the equation did "blind faith" factor in. Faith is knowing that there is a God and believing that He has all power!



"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."
Hebrews 11:6

So the question that remains is do you believe that God can save you?
 
West Brooklyn ;4947378 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947290 said:
Sin is and has always been part of the equation. But the principles of God played a big part in the founding of this nation. Even with all the wickedness that went on in this country, God still used the nation of America to be the greatest light the world has ever seen, since the ancient nation of Israel.

So you're saying what was done to the natives and the african slaves is okay because the people who committed these atrocities were reading the Bible?

Why would God bring America up in the position to fuck everybody in the world over including himself (when America has been doing that from jump) to just turn around and get angry enough to destroy it?

Like I said there is more to the prophecy my brother. God actually condemns all countries and nations who are founded by blood and oppression.



"Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed And founds a town with violence!"
Habakkuk 2:12

America is going to reap what it sowed my brother. The universal principle of God is still in effect. But God uses the wickedness of man to bring Him glory still. Even though America has been the purveyor of all kinds of evil, God still used the nation to accomplish much good for Him. Namely, by spreading the gospel to the whole world like no other country ever has. But judgment is coming my brother. America has completely turned it's back on God. The straw that breaks the camels back will be the betrayal of Israel though. When that happens, it's adios for America the beautiful. Amen.

 
West Brooklyn you bringing up real truth in this thread. We need more ppl to think about these topics instead if being so guilible.
 
You say god condemns all nations that are founded by blood or oppression yet in the Bible he commands the Israelites to kill entire nations and take their land. Their are scriptures in the Bible commanding ppl to kill grandmas, babies, children, men and to keep all the virgin girls to be saved by those who just killed their family.
 
beenwize;4947633 said:
You say god condemns all nations that are founded by blood or oppression yet in the Bible he commands the Israelites to kill entire nations and take their land. Their are scriptures in the Bible commanding ppl to kill grandmas, babies, children, men and to keep all the virgin girls to be saved by those who just killed their family.

The bolded part of your comment is key. When God commands something to be done, we must do it. God ordered the slaughter of all the inhabitants of Canaan because judgment came upon them. The Israelites were Gods instrument in dispensing the judgment that came upon all the inhabitants of the land. When Abraham went to the promised land, The Bible tells us that God gave the inhabitants of the land of Canaan 400+ years to turn from their wicked ways.



"And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. "
Genesis 15:12-16

I underlined the key verse my brother. God gave the inhabitants 400 years to turn from their wicked ways, but they didn't thus God judged all the inhabitants of the land of Canaan for their wickedness. God order the slaughter of everything because judgment was to be full and complete. Amen.

 
beenwize;4947648 said:
How can America turn its back on Godif it never supported or followed the Biblical god from the start?

The nation was founded upon biblical principles. Were the principles practiced in full. No of course not, sinners established the nation of America, not perfect men. But the true and living God was reverenced by many of the inhabitants of the land and thus bred many of the greatest missionaries to walk the planet. No other nation has spread the gospel message of Jesus Christ as far and as wide as the USA. These are well documented facts my friend.

But sadly the light of the gospel has grown dimmer and dimmer in this country because everything that has to do with the Lord Jesus Christ is being replaced by the antichrist and his followers. We have sunken so low as a nation that ABC (Anything But Christ) is now producing a show that openly promotes the mark of the beast to the whole world.
http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/666-park-avenue

Talk about a fall. How disgraceful that must be to the eyes of God. But He is full of mercy and compassion still! He is holding back His judgement because He is giving men time to repent and turn to Him. Will you turn to Him today my friend?

 
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947443 said:
West Brooklyn ;4947378 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947290 said:
Sin is and has always been part of the equation. But the principles of God played a big part in the founding of this nation. Even with all the wickedness that went on in this country, God still used the nation of America to be the greatest light the world has ever seen, since the ancient nation of Israel.

So you're saying what was done to the natives and the african slaves is okay because the people who committed these atrocities were reading the Bible?

Why would God bring America up in the position to fuck everybody in the world over including himself (when America has been doing that from jump) to just turn around and get angry enough to destroy it?

Like I said there is more to the prophecy my brother. God actually condemns all countries and nations who are founded by blood and oppression.



"Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed And founds a town with violence!"
Habakkuk 2:12

America is going to reap what it sowed my brother. The universal principle of God is still in effect. But God uses the wickedness of man to bring Him glory still. Even though America has been the purveyor of all kinds of evil, God still used the nation to accomplish much good for Him. Namely, by spreading the gospel to the whole world like no other country ever has. But judgment is coming my brother. America has completely turned it's back on God. The straw that breaks the camels back will be the betrayal of Israel though. When that happens, it's adios for America the beautiful. Amen.

If he is to condemn countries founded on bloodshed and violence, why did he bring America up to be "the greatest light" as you claim? Why wait so long to condemn a country for what it has done. A lot of countries were founded on bloodshed and violence. Again, why is America singled out in your interpretation of scripture? And why condemn a city founded on violence when God himself turns to violence when things don't go his way?

 
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West Brooklyn ;4947747 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947443 said:
West Brooklyn ;4947378 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;4947290 said:
Sin is and has always been part of the equation. But the principles of God played a big part in the founding of this nation. Even with all the wickedness that went on in this country, God still used the nation of America to be the greatest light the world has ever seen, since the ancient nation of Israel.

So you're saying what was done to the natives and the african slaves is okay because the people who committed these atrocities were reading the Bible?

Why would God bring America up in the position to fuck everybody in the world over including himself (when America has been doing that from jump) to just turn around and get angry enough to destroy it?

Like I said there is more to the prophecy my brother. God actually condemns all countries and nations who are founded by blood and oppression.



"Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed And founds a town with violence!"
Habakkuk 2:12

America is going to reap what it sowed my brother. The universal principle of God is still in effect. But God uses the wickedness of man to bring Him glory still. Even though America has been the purveyor of all kinds of evil, God still used the nation to accomplish much good for Him. Namely, by spreading the gospel to the whole world like no other country ever has. But judgment is coming my brother. America has completely turned it's back on God. The straw that breaks the camels back will be the betrayal of Israel though. When that happens, it's adios for America the beautiful. Amen.

If he is to condemn countries founded on bloodshed and violence, why did he bring America up to be "the greatest light" as you claim? Why wait so long to condemn a country for what it has done. A lot of countries were founded on bloodshed and violence. Again, why is America singled out in your interpretation of scripture? And why condemn a city founded on violence when God himself turns to violence when things don't go his way?

God accomplishes His purposes through mankind. The Bible tells us that God establishes kings and kingdoms for His sovereign will. One of the purposes that God has used America for was to be the greatest light the world has ever known outside of the nation of Israel. But just like Israel turned it's back on God, America has also turned it's back on God.

"For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts."
Jeremiah 25:29

Israel was judged for their rebellion against God and they were His chosen people. So why should the fate of America be any different? The above passage of scripture tells us that. Thus, God has given us prophecies which spell out the fate of many nations, not just America. The prophets talk about the destruction of many of the nations in the end times. I'm pointing out Babylon the Great because the bible contains 2 of the single longest prophecies about her demise in Jeremiah 50-51 and Revelation 17-18. I'm also singling her out because I reside in her and thus I can help the cause of Jesus Christ by warning others who live in her about her destruction and what God tells us to do in order to be delivered from that destruction.

And God uses the universal principle He always has used when dealing with people and nations. Reaping and sowing. Violence has been sowed upon the earth, thus violence will be reaped by the inhabitants of the earth. Amen.

 

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