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Past generations would've never been able to EXPRESS themselves....
Hyde Parke
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solid analysis;1724712 said:las·civ·i·ous - 1. Given to or expressing lust; lecherous.
a point most ppl often miss is 'lust' doesn't always deal with sexual desires. It also deal with strong desires for things we shouldn't have.
I don't need to be thought of well by my physical parents (assuming you mean physical). But because i love them (including GOd who comes [should come] first), it's only natural that i would want to be viewed well by them and that i would try to do things to that end. I do have a need to be thought well of by God because His view is the one that ultimately matters.
i agree that we shouldn't put ppl on a 'God' level in a sense that we let what they think of us determine our own well being....i'm not saying that...the only thing we owed by others is love, not an ego stroke - Romans 13:8 says: "Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law." If i know i haven't given anybody just cause to hate me yet they still express a behavior of dislike or hate towards me, its nothin for me to accept it for what it is and keep moving. That's on them, not me. They can think what they want as long as they don't come at me with no drama we good.
How did you get "lascivious" out of my post? i havent expressed desire for anything, quite the opposite. Actually, reading your posts, seems to indicate that very behavior... I love my parents, well my mother is deceased now, but as a child, i expressed need for affection, i think thats natural.I would come home to show my good grades, proud to show them I was a "good" child As an adult, there was no need for that, it just was. I did what I considered was the right thing in all my choices. There was still love, but not with stipulations and conditions.If there are terms and conditions, I dont think that can be called love. My parents never passed judgement when i became an adult, they loved me no matter if they agreed with the things I choose to do in life..Who I am, is who I am, there is no changing that. I dont think Im a cold person, I care, but when it comes to what people think of me personally, there is no place for me to put that. Its a waste of time/energy to me, because I am who I am, and who I will be.
If you are in Gods word, and following his word, then why is there a need to be thought well of by him? Your actions should demonstrate that, without the need for approval.
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solid analysis;1716741 said:on the level that we, in modern times, can today...
i wonder....with all the technology we have, are people really keeping it realer with themselves, using technology in the ways they do? are people getting more and more artificial?
i generally don't like philosophical discussions because of how subjective and pretentious they can get, but this is something kind of thought provoking.
when it comes to who a person is, there are three views it relates to: who the person is to themselves (how they see themselves), who they are to others (how others see them), and who they are to God (how God sees you). I think most of us know which one of those three views really matters or not (to us)....but at times too much emphasis get placed on one of the three...
Which view is more important to you? Or is there a way to balance all three?
Wrong. We can never express ourselves on a level THEY did.
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Hyde Parke;1725572 said:How did you get "lascivious" out of my post? i havent expressed desire for anything, quite the opposite. Actually, reading your posts, seems to indicate that very behavior... I love my parents, well my mother is deceased now, but as a child, i expressed need for affection, i think thats natural.I would come home to show my good grades, proud to show them I was a "good" child As an adult, there was no need for that, it just was. I did what I considered was the right thing in all my choices. There was still love, but not with stipulations and conditions.If there are terms and conditions, I dont think that can be called love. My parents never passed judgement when i became an adult, they loved me no matter if they agreed with the things I choose to do in life..Who I am, is who I am, there is no changing that. I dont think Im a cold person, I care, but when it comes to what people think of me personally, there is no place for me to put that. Its a waste of time/energy to me, because I am who I am, and who I will be.
1. If you are in Gods word, and following his word, then why is there a need to be thought well of by him? Your actions should demonstrate that, without the need for approval.
i didn't get that out of your post actually...you would know better than me if the shoe fits or not. i just threw the description of that attitude out there, the way it's talked about in the Bible, just in case that was what u meant by 'don't care what others think'....but i see now that's not what you meant by 'don't care what others think'...
how would you define - 'unconditional love'? or what do you mean by that?
A person can remain who they are, individually at heart, while still seeking to improve or better who they are at heart, changing their personal behavior for the better. That's called growth. If you still at 35 years old and think and behave the same way you did at 18, that's pretty slow growth....and i'm sure your life around you would reflect that too. that's why wisdom is more desirable than gold...we can apply it to ourselves benefiting our lives as well as others we come around.
1. God is the judge. And scripture tells us that we will be judged by God according to what we do (Matthew 16:27). Being approved by God by our actions and following God's word is the same thing and goes hand in hand.
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VIBE86;1725652 said:Wrong. We can never express ourselves on a level THEY did.
there's is no denying that our level of expression, in regards to the aesthetics of most things, far exceeds them.
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solid analysis;1726457 said:there's is no denying that our level of expression, in regards to the aesthetics of most things, far exceeds them.
We may be able to express more exceedingly than they could, but the level of the meaning, the level of connection we could never match of them back then.
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VIBE86;1726522 said:We may be able to express more exceedingly than they could, but the level of the meaning, the level of connection we could never match of them back then.
you mean like the genuine-ness of a person connecting with someone? if so i mean nahhhh....real folk still exist, even amongst all this artificial stuff.
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solid analysis;1726794 said:you mean like the genuine-ness of a person connecting with someone? if so i mean nahhhh....real folk still exist, even amongst all this artificial stuff.
Yes.
Think about it, what is family time? In my household, when I was little, it was nothing but t.v., computers, phones or video games. Nowhere in there was there a family time implemented. What expression of self is that? Back in the day it was about sharing your day from school to work. (or so it seemed by stories I hear)
I try to implement that into my family as well but technology is in the way, so technology isn't all good. It is a good form of entertainment but it is also a good form of laziness and time wasting.
What about a man, who says he loves a woman on the internet who lives miles and miles away? Then says the same to the next? A virtual pimp so to speak? Is that genuine? Is that being able to express yourself? That's attaining a lust, not an expression.
What type of expression are you speaking of though? Because maybe I'm thinking differently than you.
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VIBE86;1727257 said:Yes.
Think about it, what is family time? In my household, when I was little, it was nothing but t.v., computers, phones or video games. Nowhere in there was there a family time implemented. What expression of self is that? Back in the day it was about sharing your day from school to work. (or so it seemed by stories I hear)
I try to implement that into my family as well but technology is in the way, so technology isn't all good. It is a good form of entertainment but it is also a good form of laziness and time wasting.
What about a man, who says he loves a woman on the internet who lives miles and miles away? Then says the same to the next? A virtual pimp so to speak? Is that genuine? Is that being able to express yourself? That's attaining a lust, not an expression.
What type of expression are you speaking of though? Because maybe I'm thinking differently than you.
Yea i feel you on that...that's why i try to keep things relatively simple in my life. and I try not to let my whole life get consumed by any one thing (balance)...family is definitely important to me.
me though i guess i was more talking about the aesthetics of things....movies, videogames, clothes, music, arts, cars, cell phones....and also how most ppl tend to let a lot of that define who they are
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Hyde Parke
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solid analysis;1726443 said:how would you define - 'unconditional love'? or what do you mean by that?
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With no terms or conditions. Like, I will do this, this, or that for you, if you do this. Like a contract. If love is freedom, which is what I think it is when i think of it, then how is it free if you are bound to something? If you are bound by ideas, and perceptions and live your life according to that, i dont see the freedom in that nor the love. I see thats what your scripture tells you, that you will be judged according to your actions, but there are also scriptures that say no man is perfect or without sin, to me, there is alot of contradictory stuff going on in the bible, or misinterpretations maybe. I cant live a life of confusion, so I live it the best way I feel in my heart to, no worries, and leave it at that.
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1. who the person is to themselves (how they see themselves)
2. who they are to others (how others see them)
3. who they are to God (how God sees you)
Which view is more important to you? Or is there a way to balance all three?
I think there can be a balance in all three. It's complicated though, because there's many things that just can mess up the other.
2. who they are to others (how others see them)
3. who they are to God (how God sees you)
Which view is more important to you? Or is there a way to balance all three?
I think there can be a balance in all three. It's complicated though, because there's many things that just can mess up the other.
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alissowack
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Hyde Parke;1728043 said:With no terms or conditions. Like, I will do this, this, or that for you, if you do this. Like a contract. If love is freedom, which is what I think it is when i think of it, then how is it free if you are bound to something? If you are bound by ideas, and perceptions and live your life according to that, i dont see the freedom in that nor the love. I see thats what your scripture tells you, that you will be judged according to your actions, but there are also scriptures that say no man is perfect or without sin, to me, there is alot of contradictory stuff going on in the bible, or misinterpretations maybe. I cant live a life of confusion, so I live it the best way I feel in my heart to, no worries, and leave it at that.
I would think that it would be unwise to think that love is not aware or concerned about the terms and conditions. You don't just forget that someone does you wrong if you are trying to love them. You try to love despite being wronged.
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Hyde Parke;1728043 said:With no terms or conditions. Like, I will do this, this, or that for you, if you do this. Like a contract. If love is freedom, which is what I think it is when i think of it, then how is it free if you are bound to something? If you are bound by ideas, and perceptions and live your life according to that, i dont see the freedom in that nor the love. I see thats what your scripture tells you, that you will be judged according to your actions, but there are also scriptures that say no man is perfect or without sin, to me, there is alot of contradictory stuff going on in the bible, or misinterpretations maybe. I cant live a life of confusion, so I live it the best way I feel in my heart to, no worries, and leave it at that.
no terms and conditions as the terms and conditions huh? i can't rock like that. I know people mess up sometimes - or even a lot. but i can't just have there be no lines...because then it's like why even try? i need there to be some sorta higher standard that is worthy of being aimed for at least. if we mess up while trying to aim for that, then at least it's still worth the effort because of the reward obtained for succeeding.
I wonder why people turn from the Bible the instant they run into a couple things that's a bit harder for them to understand at that point in time. Not everything is going to always easily understood in the Book. There are some things we will not be able to understand until we get more wisdom. Sometimes that might not come until we get older.
But in the mean time i suppose if you're doing the best you can, everything will work out if you don't insist on keeping a stone heart towards God and His word.
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VIBE86;1728890 said:1. who the person is to themselves (how they see themselves)
2. who they are to others (how others see them)
3. who they are to God (how God sees you)
Which view is more important to you? Or is there a way to balance all three?
I think there can be a balance in all three. It's complicated though, because there's many things that just can mess up the other.
Yea it's real tough
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