Or is everything just fine the way it is?

[ThaChozenWun]

Lack of understanding...

 

[universaltruth]

Peoples lack of knowledge of self, of awareness

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Lack of understanding...

Lack of understanding of what?

Peoples lack of knowledge of self, of awareness

How would gaining this knowledge or awareness help anything, what would change do you think?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Lack of understanding of what?

Everything...

better understandings of people and how to work things can fix 99% of what people complain about.

 

[universaltruth]

Lack of understanding of what?

How would gaining this knowledge or awareness help anything, what would change do you think?

I think if people became aware of what we really are, and actually accepted what is to become of us, instead of holding on to the "past" or focusing on the "future", if we actually lived IN the moment in complete understanding, anything could be possible. What that anything is tho, i dont know.

 

[universaltruth]

I'm all for gaining knowledge of self. But this is knowledge of the individual not the collective. Everyone will not come to the same conclusions. If the collective don't like the self you've gain knowledge of they crucify you....for lack of better words.

When I say knowledge of self I mean knowledge of all, as there is no "self" without an "other" and these two are really one.

 

[universaltruth]

Impossible! That more fantasy b.s.

The knowledge I gain about MYself you YOURself might not like. I can't gain knowledge of self then look at you and say I completely understand YOU.

I dont mean as in your personality, your likes, dislikes, things like that, imean when you truly understand who and what you are, you'll understand that everything is connected and to hurt another or to try and control nature will only bring more damage to yourself. To gain knowledge of Self is to return to the essence, to return to that childlike state where there are no distinctions, no separations, we arent bound by what society taught us. It is to unlearn holding on, and to embrace letting go.

 

[shootemwon]

Potentially decent thread has already been sunken.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Not knowing when to let go of old tradition and rules. Afraid to re-analyze.

And those that do are evil. And those that don't are evil.

And not listening to ether-I-am

"People love news ideas, as long as they are like* the old ones"

So true, we're all evil. Humans define everything, including what I'm saying.

But you wear shades so we can't see your eyes, you could be lyin'

Impossible! That more fantasy b.s.
The knowledge I gain about MYself you YOURself might not like. I can't gain knowledge of self then look at you and say I completely understand YOU.

I think to completely understand them you would have to understand every single thing there is to understand about them, would humans ever let any one understand everything there is to understand about them? How could we even accomplish that?

Everything...

better understandings of people and how to work things can fix 99% of what people complain about.

What don't we understand about people or other things?

I think if people became aware of what we really are, and actually accepted what is to become of us,

What are we really tho? What are we actually to become?

instead of holding on to the "past" or focusing on the "future", if we actually lived IN the moment in complete understanding, anything could be possible.

I agree, hard to be in the present if your always in the past or in the future. Holding onto what we had and hoping for what we can get, instead of enjoying what we have right now.

What that anything is tho, i dont know.

To know is to create, this is why there is no-thing to know and why humans don't know any-thing imo(like this is how I rationalize it in my mind, not proclaiming it as truth). Humans don't have the ability to actually create new things. To know something is to create something. Humans only manipulate what is already here, and they only discover new things and understand them . To create something is to make some new come into existence out of nowhere, out of "thin air". We have never created a new element and that's pretty much all there is to 'create' that we "know" of/discovered.

When I say knowledge of self I mean knowledge of all, as there is no "self" without an "other" and these two are really one.

and as long as there is a self and other, there is division/separation.

to return to that childlike state where there are no distinctions, no separations,

It might be a nessecary path imo. We already came from a 'time' when there were no distinctions or separations. In the distant path and as our current lives. Its seems a little odd we would evolve to a state where 'nature' created a being that could have consciousness and superior intellect to just toss it away/not use it because it causes us so much grief and suffering.

I mean at what point does having distinctions or separations become a nuisance to humanity?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well think of the things people complain about...

World Hunger, those who control the food markets don't understand what it's like to be hungry.
War, man has never understood what true peace could be like
Our destruction, we don't really understand what we are doing to ourselves
Being Poor, most of us don't understand what being poor really is

but then again, subconsciously we might, and that's why the world is the way it is, because we understand that we don't want to be that way.. I don't know

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

World Hunger, those who control the food markets don't understand what it's like to be hungry. Being Poor, most of us don't understand what being poor really is

War, man has never understood what true peace could be like

Our destruction, we don't really understand what we are doing to ourselves

but then again, subconsciously we might, and that's why the world is the way it is, because we understand that we don't want to be that way.. I don't know

So they would have to experience it to actually understand it, but what about people who have experienced it and gained that understand and still don't care about stopping world hunger/poverty? What don't they understand?

Cain killed Abel and man has been killing man ever since. I see what you mean. Tho some claim to have experienced inner peace, does that kind of peace count?

How could we understand what we're doing to ourselves? We haven't experienced it yet?

Do you mean, that maybe we do understand what we're doing and are choosing to experience it, even tho we know we don't want to be that way or experience it?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I think if people became aware of what we really are, and actually accepted what is to become of us, instead of holding on to the "past" or focusing on the "future", if we actually lived IN the moment in complete understanding, anything could be possible. What that anything is tho, i dont know.

Okay I changed up some of the words of this post^^,

"I think if people became aware of what they do, say and think, and actually accepted what is, instead of holding on to what was or focusing on what is to come, and if we acted IN the moment in complete awareness, anything could be possible. What that anything is tho, i dont know."

If this is what you were conveying, I agree 100%

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

some say a man ain't truly happy until a man truly dies. - Prince, Sign O' the Times.

That may truly be true. We'll only find out when we die though.... maybe... we'll have to die to find out if we find out anything when we die.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So they would have to experience it to actually understand it, but what about people who have experienced it and gained that understand and still don't care about stopping world hunger/poverty? What don't they understand?

Yes, I think to truly understand something you had to have been part of it.

@ the bolded, I think that is an understanding of where you've been and not wanting to go back. So you become greedy. IMO anyone who has the attitude of "fuck everyone else I'm going to get mine for me and my family" then poverty wouldn't be as bad.

Cain killed Abel and man has been killing man ever since. I see what you mean. Tho some claim to have experienced inner peace, does that kind of peace count?

I guess I shouldn't have used war and killing. I believe in evolution, I think war and killing are just are natural instincts to act out our rage and anger. But I think if you witness death at a large scale, like war, when you leave the environment you have changed. Unless you believe in a religion, persons words, or group who have made you think it has to be done, you no longer want that. That is an understand of death, and that changes you. Inner peace I don't think works, because ones inner peace could be brought on by killing. The idea of peace to me in this area is brought on by the understanding of death and killing. It won't stop everyone, never will every person be whole and complete with one another, but I believe the majority of people who go into a war zone, come out wanting peace.

How could we understand what we're doing to ourselves? We haven't experienced it yet?

Experience and understanding are two different things. Growing up I experienced drug use, poverty, and murder. I did not understand. Outside of few things like global warming, we have already experienced things because history repeats. The only time it doesn't is when we finally understand what we've experienced.

Kind of a dumbed down simple version. If you're running really hot water and go to wash your hands. Sometimes I stick my hands in, they burn, I pull them out, then quickly repeat 4-5 times until I understand that there's a better way to wash my hands than scolding hot water.

Or your putting a floor in, you use nails. First time the floor comes up, you say oh it needs to more nails, it comes again, again you use more nails. Then at some point you'll understand, it's not that the nails aren't enough, it's that you need fuckin screws because the nails are too smooth to grip the 2x4 and prevent pull out.

Do you mean, that maybe we do understand what we're doing and are choosing to experience it, even tho we know we don't want to be that way or experience it?

That would be like a drug addict. The experienced a drug free life, a high life, and a dope sick life. They know that doing drugs brings period of horrible dope sickness and know being high is hurting them. They experience and understand that, but don't want change.

I'm speaking as someone who would see a drug addict, and say "clean yourself up, I could do it", and they are challenged. So they get high once and then say "see told you I could stop no problem". They have experienced, but not understood it all.

lol..... so yea

 

[alissowack]

It's not The Problem, but one I find important to me...lack of human relationships/interaction.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Overpopulation.

 

[Chike]

Low IQs, Over consumerism, no self control, Lack of respect for themselves, others and the environment, Materialism.... the list goes on.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Inner peace I don't think works, because ones inner peace could be brought on by killing.

Could they really have inner peace though?

I mean I see what you saying, but if the idea of peace is so subjective, is peace even a viable concept?

Experience and understanding are two different things. Growing up I experienced drug use, poverty, and murder. I did not understand. Outside of few things like global warming, we have already experienced things because history repeats. The only time it doesn't is when we finally understand what we've experienced

You may not have understood them then, but you probably have a good understanding of it now tho? And you may not understand it from their perspective but you understand it from some perspective? Like I can understand a heroin addiction up to a certain point, but to truly understand what it means to be addicted to heroin, I'd have to be addicted to heroin, then break the addiction to it and then reflect on that addiction to understand it.

 

[universaltruth]

and as long as there is a self and other, there is division/separation.

It might be a nessecary path imo. We already came from a 'time' when there were no distinctions or separations. In the distant path and as our current lives. Its seems a little odd we would evolve to a state where 'nature' created a being that could have consciousness and superior intellect to just toss it away/not use it because it causes us so much grief and suffering.

I mean at what point does having distinctions or separations become a nuisance to humanity?

Alan Watts once used the example of a North and South Pole, there are two poles but they are on the same magnet, they work together as one. The division is something we as humans created because of our lack of awareness. We try to control nature, not co-operate. If we co-operated with nature and understood that we are not just flesh with an ego that is not connected to the universe as awhole, I believe things would be better.

 

[universaltruth]

The main problem is the overwhelming want for vagina consumption.

And this, i co-sign this