Ok, when Jesus was on the cross, he said...

[judahxulu]

elohim is god in hebrew is it not?

godS referring at times to angelic beings, mighty men, divine kings, idols or the collective of entities that act under the behest of YHWH (hence the epithet the MOST High). Hebrew is a very contextual language.

 

[And Step]

godS referring at times to angelic beings, mighty men, divine kings, idols or the collective of entities that act under the behest of YHWH (hence the epithet the MOST High). Hebrew is a very contextual language.

Collective or plural. Interesting.

 

[judahxulu]

Collective or plural. Interesting.

Yeah its usually referring to a collective when you see the term LORD God in the Bible (YHWH Elohim).

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Yeah its usually referring to a collective when you see the term LORD God in the Bible (YHWH Elohim).

Wait, so are you saying that in Hebrew, the word for "God" can literally refer to Yaweh and anyone who acts under his will? No wonder there is so much confusion regarding certain matters in the Bible.

That arameic Bible is pretty confusing too. For instance, here is a passage from Matthew 22 from the New International Bible:

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42"What do you think about the Christ[a]? Whose son is he?"

"The son of David," they replied.

43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,

44" 'The Lord said to my Lord:

"Sit at my right hand

until I put your enemies

under your feet." ' 45If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"

Now here it is from the Arameic bible:

Now while the Pharisees were assembled Y'shua asked them and said, "What do you say about the Mashiyach? Who is he the son of? They answered saying to him, "The son of David." He said to them, "How then did David in the spirit call him Master YHWH? For he said, 'That Master YHWH said to my master "You sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet."' Therefore if David calls him Master YHWH, how is he his son?"

The first translation makes perfect sense. This translation is weird. First it says that David called the Messiah (Y'shua) YHWH. Then it said that YHWH told the Messiah to sit at his right hand. Then it says that David called the Messiah YHWH again. So isn't this scripture indeed referring to the Father and Son both as Yahweh, or is this another weird plurality convention of the older language.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

^^^^^It's funny that even in darkness, the light still shines forth.

Elohim=the trinity.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26

The "us" and the "our" speak of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's as clear as day right there in the scriptures. Only fools despise wisdom and instruction. God bless.
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[Israelites]

No trinity... read revelations 1:1, talks about the protocol of the Most High... the Father gives the message to the Son, the Son gives the message to the angel (which is a ministering spirit, not a "god"), & the angel brings the message to the children of Israel.

There's only 2 in the GODhead..the Father & Son.... we couldn't be made in the image of the angels because they have four faces.

Ezekiel 1:5-7 (King James Version)

5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

 

[garv]

^^^^^It's funny that even in darkness, the light still shines forth.

Elohim=the trinity.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26

The "us" and the "our" speak of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's as clear as day right there in the scriptures. Only fools despise wisdom and instruction. God bless.
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Lol this guy is a broken record.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

All this talk about whether the trinity exists or not is trivial. Even if you loo at it from the sense of believing in the Trinity, it's clear that not all points on that triangle are equal. Jesus says the Father is greater than he is. The fact that God is denoted as Father and Jesus as son shows a relationship of superiority, else they would have been brothers in the trinity.

This is almost like a semantical argument. It's beside the true purpose of the debate. The real questions are whether Jesus and Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah are the same person and whether they are of equal standing. Regardless of whether you believe in the Holy Trinity or not, the answer to both of those questions is clearly "no."

Honestly, it all seems to me like any corporate or organizational structure. There might be a board of elders, but there is also still usually a chairman or president of that board who holds more power than any other single member of that board. So even if Elohim is the triumverate, God is still the highest point there.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

You ever try to get cell reception on a cross, man?

They didn't even have 3G back then dude, how you think son was gonna call long distance like that?

"Hello? Hello? Dad, you there? T-MOBILE, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
---jesus

 

[kids in america_]

Wait, so are you saying that in Hebrew, the word for "God" can literally refer to Yaweh and anyone who acts under his will? No wonder there is so much confusion regarding certain matters in the Bible.

That arameic Bible is pretty confusing too. For instance, here is a passage from Matthew 22 from the New International Bible:

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42"What do you think about the Christ[a]? Whose son is he?"
"The son of David," they replied.
43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,
44" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet." ' 45If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"

Now here it is from the Arameic bible:

Now while the Pharisees were assembled Y'shua asked them and said, "What do you say about the Mashiyach? Who is he the son of? They answered saying to him, "The son of David." He said to them, "How then did David in the spirit call him Master YHWH? For he said, 'That Master YHWH said to my master "You sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet."' Therefore if David calls him Master YHWH, how is he his son?"

The first translation makes perfect sense. This translation is weird. First it says that David called the Messiah (Y'shua) YHWH. Then it said that YHWH told the Messiah to sit at his right hand. Then it says that David called the Messiah YHWH again. So isn't this scripture indeed referring to the Father and Son both as Yahweh, or is this another weird plurality convention of the older language.

I choose the former.

There are two Yahwehs in the ‘bible’.

Then YHWH caused to rain upon S’dom and upon ‘Amora brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven. [Gen. 19-24 HRV]

The Targum Onkelos’ translation reads, “Then the Word of YHWH caused to rain upon S’dom and upon ‘Amora brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven.”

The Onkelos' translation makes it very clear that the Word of Yahweh on earth authorized the judgment with his Father (YAHWEH) in heaven. Very intriguing stuff.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I choose the former.

There are two Yahwehs in the ‘bible’.

Then YHWH caused to rain upon S’dom and upon ‘Amora brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven. [Gen. 19-24 HRV]

The Targum Onkelos’ translation reads, “Then the Word of YHWH caused to rain upon S’dom and upon ‘Amora brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven.”

The Onkelos' translation makes it very clear that the Word of Yahweh on earth authorized the judgment with his Father (YAHWEH) in heaven. Very intriguing stuff.

This is strange stuff. The concept of the Father and the Son being the same is nothing new especially when speaking about their purpose. However, I always thought that the name "Yahweh" was a definitive reference to the Father just as Isa/Yeshuah/Jesus definitively refers to the Son.

 

[Funky Dr]

Jesus died because the Romans forced him to listen to Waka Flocka Flame for 2 hours straight...

 

[Swiffness!]

When you die on a cross, you die from asphyxiation.