You could tell they didn't have a plan outlined just by the contradictions between ep 7 and ep 8 on what they were implying was important. 7 had a lot of importance placed on snoke and how powerful he was, and asking who rey was, where she came from, who her parents were, why'd they leave her, etc. etc. and those were all brushed aside in ep 8 in one way or another
You could tell they didn't have a plan outlined just by the contradictions between ep 7 and ep 8 on what they were implying was important. 7 had a lot of importance placed on snoke and how powerful he was, and asking who rey was, where she came from, who her parents were, why'd they leave her, etc. etc. and those were all brushed aside in ep 8 in one way or another
The writer and director of the movie literally says he didn't have an outline for the movie.
(Luscas film/Disney gave him free creative reign)
He basically said he wasn't going to waste his time aka movie exploring or building on the deeper mysteries of who,what and why that the previous film brought up.
Which is why the mystery and intrigue of Snoke (who was he,where did he come from? If he wasn't a Sith Lord exactly what was he??) and Rey's parentage wasn't built on and were so quickly swept a side
The third movie should at leat gives a flashback or a back story on how snoke turned Ben to the dark side. Snoke isn't that important for a back story in these films . maybe they can tell that story through other media like a novel or something. It was good that he got killed too . sithnlords usually kill their masters to ascend so that worked out fine for the story. Kilo killed him in the perfect moment. Yeah I accept the reveal of rays parents space junkies who sold her for for space meth
Episode 7 didn't put any importance on Snoke if you really sit down and watch the thing. The fans own intrigue did that. Dude was barely in the movie at all or spoken about.
Matter of fact...
He was explored so pitifully and minimally in the previous movie that killing him here was without a doubt the best decision. Anything else would have felt like shoehorning faux importance onto him.
True. We as fans expected there to be so much more to him because of the importance placed on prior Sith lords, not particularly because he as a character was so important.
Even further, I just watched John Campea make the point that we've gotten just as much if not more more development on Snoke than we ever got of the emperor in the original trilogy. And people loved him even prior to us getting the backstory from the prequals. Which is true as hell.
Its true less is more. The emperor was scary to me as a kid because we knew so little about him. Smoke had that same affect in the last Jedi . when kylo brought rey to him I didn't know what was gonna happen I was on the edge of my seat.
I think Rian Johnson was mainly concern about character arcs and development of Rey, Kylo, Luke & Leia which happened to be the best writing and acting in the film and everything else had to be just included because it was introduced in Force Awakens, and didnt care for that.
i personally think it was great because it was bold and took risks in subverting the star wars norms , its a star wars that i didnt know i needed. It may not fit neatly into Star Wars creed but i think it gives fans something better. Great movie making and great performances more than any other star wars movies.
I also think its the "LOST" syndrome where JJ Abrams starts something and sets up a great mystery but will let someone else try and figure it out without even telling them what it is.
I gave myself a couple of days to process it all, but I'm convinced...The Last Jedi is currently my fave out of all the movies...didn't see that coming...
I liked it but I wish they did more with Luke I wanted to see an actual light saber duel between him and kylo. They kind of gave us that with that stick battle between him ad ray and judging from that scene the old man can move.
I gave myself a couple of days to process it all, but I'm convinced...The Last Jedi is currently my fave out of all the movies...didn't see that coming...
I'll say it...If Finn was white they (the movie writers/director/producers) wouldn't be so hesitant to hook him up romantically with Rey.
They were clearly heading in that direction toward the end of FW.
But I knew they chickened out on that angle once I seen Rose give him kiss and then him and Rey ran into each other arms after reuniting...and they did that weakass friendzone hug......
Worst one out of all story wise. Lots of missed humor but overall a poor movie. They need to decide which story they want to tell and tell it. I'm out on this & won't see the next movie unless it's kodi or something...and I was a life long star wars fan novels and all
As for the film’s arch villain Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis), many fan theories were thrown out the window when the new trilogy’s Emperor-like figure was summarily taken out by Kylo Ren.
“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie,” Johnson said. “By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins. It’s a really good setup going into the next movie. But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that? That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”
For those who now feel disappointed knowing that their Snoke theory sucked, take heart as Johnson feels your pain. Especially if you thought he was the Darth Plagueis mentioned by Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith.
“I do think it’s interesting,” Johnson explained. “I never want to poo-poo the fans coming up with theories. It’s part of the fun of being a Star Wars fan. If there is a place for it in another story, I hope it gets told. It would have stopped any of these scenes dead cold if he had stopped and given a 30-second speech about how he’s Darth Plagueis. It doesn’t matter to Rey. If he had done that, Rey would have blinked and said, ‘Who?’ And the scene would have gone on… And I’m not saying he’s Darth Plagueis
