infamous114
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Oral history on the 1997 Heat-Knicks "brawl" 20 years ago. and the fate of those 2 franchises ever since. Shout out to PJ Brown flipping Ward like he was a pizza
https://theringer.com/oral-history-...t-1997-brawl-20-year-anniversary-96b8a5be329f
https://theringer.com/oral-history-...t-1997-brawl-20-year-anniversary-96b8a5be329f
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Miami went on an 18–0 run in the first quarter in Miami Arena. The Knicks had no answer for Hardaway, who finished with 38 points. Late in the game the Knicks couldn’t get any closer than within eight points of the Heat, and they had to play out the excruciating final minutes knowing that their comfortable 3–1 series lead and anticipated showdown with Chicago had disappeared. Ewing, back after his Game 6 suspension, finished with 37 points and 17 rebounds. “Well, one guy showed up today,” muttered his agent, David Falk. In the locker room, Houston wept.
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Asked after the Game 7 loss whether he believed this Knicks team had been his best shot at winning a title, Ewing replied: “I definitely thought so.” The Miami Heat went on to lose in five games to the Chicago Bulls, who went on to beat the Utah Jazz in the Finals that would include the Flu Game. And while New York was successful in the seasons after that, the Knicks have won just one playoff series since eliminating Miami in 2000.
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Asked after the Game 7 loss whether he believed this Knicks team had been his best shot at winning a title, Ewing replied: “I definitely thought so.” The Miami Heat went on to lose in five games to the Chicago Bulls, who went on to beat the Utah Jazz in the Finals that would include the Flu Game. And while New York was successful in the seasons after that, the Knicks have won just one playoff series since eliminating Miami in 2000.
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infamous114
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Lol don't even know who the fuck that is
infamous114
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Don't care who we draft, Heat never been good at drafting historically.
Peezy_Jenkins
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infamous114;c-9783943 said:
He was a top prospect but i think he had 2-3 knee surgeries, ended up avg only 4 ppg at duke
infamous114;c-9783945 said:
Ay this a deep draft. Who we draft can start two seasons from now imo depending on the position
Giles too risky but let's say he gets over the injuries. It's borderline star potential dont wanna take the risk though
I would say PF is the position to draft for but I'm all for drafting a SF
And infamous you should look into this more because this pick kinda needs to be good. If anything we do better with 2nd rounders and undrafted players than 1st rounders...
2017 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
Miami's 2017 2nd round pick to Philadelphia (via Atlanta) [Atlanta-Miami, 6/27/2013; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 2/22/2017]
2018 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]
2018 second round draft pick to Memphis
Miami's 2018 2nd round pick to Memphis [Charlotte-Memphis-Miami, 2/16/2016]
2019 second round draft pick to Minnesota
Miami's 2019 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Charlotte) [Charlotte-Miami, 6/26/2014; Charlotte-Minnesota, 2/10/2015]
Look at that no first rounders until 2020
Combine that with Winslow being ass juice and dragic being 31 it could potentially turn into an issue lol we need a power forward yesterday and a PG that's under 26 because rich ain't it
I hope Tyler Johnson gets traded though next season
2017 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
Miami's 2017 2nd round pick to Philadelphia (via Atlanta) [Atlanta-Miami, 6/27/2013; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 2/22/2017]
2018 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]
2018 second round draft pick to Memphis
Miami's 2018 2nd round pick to Memphis [Charlotte-Memphis-Miami, 2/16/2016]
2019 second round draft pick to Minnesota
Miami's 2019 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Charlotte) [Charlotte-Miami, 6/26/2014; Charlotte-Minnesota, 2/10/2015]
Look at that no first rounders until 2020
Combine that with Winslow being ass juice and dragic being 31 it could potentially turn into an issue lol we need a power forward yesterday and a PG that's under 26 because rich ain't it
I hope Tyler Johnson gets traded though next season
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infamous114
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Seems really complicated for us to become a playoff team, much less a contender
Btw I mentioned john Collins being selected with the pick from wake Forest
At least four mock drafts have the Heat selecting the 6-foot-10, 225-pound Collins with the 14th pick. He would fill a need as the Heat played last season with one true power forward, James Johnson, in the rotation and Johnson is uncertain to return considering he will become a free agent on July 1.
And playing for the Heat would be dream come true. Collins was a true fan growing up, attending games at AmericanAirlines Arena and celebrating each of the two titles and four Finals appearances during the Big Three era.
And his favorite player. …
“I had a couple of D-Wade posters on the wall,” Collins said from the recent NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. “You got to love D-Wade, he was a South Florida legend.”
Lyria, who is retired from the Air Force and never doubted her boy someday would be in the NBA, wouldn’t mind John in a Heat uniform for more reasons than she could get in a car and make the 75 mile trip to see all of his home games.
“My all-time favorite coach is Pat Riley,” Lyria said of the Heat president. “I loved this man from when he was the coach of the New York Knicks. He was definition of coach swag.”
Collins was born in Layton, Utah, and by the time he started first grade he had lived in Guam, Turkey, St. Croix (where Lyria is from) and Tacoma, Wash.
Just before starting eighth grade he moved to Palm Beach County.
At least four mock drafts have the Heat selecting the 6-foot-10, 225-pound Collins with the 14th pick. He would fill a need as the Heat played last season with one true power forward, James Johnson, in the rotation and Johnson is uncertain to return considering he will become a free agent on July 1.
And playing for the Heat would be dream come true. Collins was a true fan growing up, attending games at AmericanAirlines Arena and celebrating each of the two titles and four Finals appearances during the Big Three era.
And his favorite player. …
“I had a couple of D-Wade posters on the wall,” Collins said from the recent NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. “You got to love D-Wade, he was a South Florida legend.”
Lyria, who is retired from the Air Force and never doubted her boy someday would be in the NBA, wouldn’t mind John in a Heat uniform for more reasons than she could get in a car and make the 75 mile trip to see all of his home games.
“My all-time favorite coach is Pat Riley,” Lyria said of the Heat president. “I loved this man from when he was the coach of the New York Knicks. He was definition of coach swag.”
Collins was born in Layton, Utah, and by the time he started first grade he had lived in Guam, Turkey, St. Croix (where Lyria is from) and Tacoma, Wash.
Just before starting eighth grade he moved to Palm Beach County.
The majority of Collins' offense in college was derived from post-up opportunities, which made up 48.4% of his total possessions according to Synergy Sports Technology. He had some dominant stretches against collegiate defenders, scoring with an array of moves including impressive footwork with his back to the basket and an emerging face up game where he could knock down a mid-range jump shot smoothly or get to the rim off one or two dribbles.
Collins' advanced scoring instincts will undoubtedly come in handy in all kinds of miscellaneous situations, be it as a cutter, pick and roll finisher, offensive rebounder, or rim-runner in transition. He is a high energy player who has excellent hands, even when at his top speed, and is quick off the ground to finish above the rim.
He just needs to get a jumper to play with whiteside and he can't play small ball with him but that's fine
Collins' advanced scoring instincts will undoubtedly come in handy in all kinds of miscellaneous situations, be it as a cutter, pick and roll finisher, offensive rebounder, or rim-runner in transition. He is a high energy player who has excellent hands, even when at his top speed, and is quick off the ground to finish above the rim.
He just needs to get a jumper to play with whiteside and he can't play small ball with him but that's fine
infamous114
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• The Heat very much wants to keep James Johnson and Dion Waiters but is expected to explore at least three high-level players whose salaries would be too high to afford the combo of Johnson and Waiters, as well.
Expect inquiries on Gordon Hayward, Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.
But the odds are against the Heat acquiring any of them, and the most likely scenario remains Johnson and Waiters staying (unless one gets an enormous offer elsewhere that the Heat isn’t comfortable matching) and Miami then supplementing the roster. Everyone with the Heat would love Johnson back, and Waiters – a personal project of Pat Riley – is also valued.
According to a source close to him, Hayward has given no indication that Miami is on his radar, with Boston viewed as the most serious challenger to Utah. Remember, Hayward can get five years and $179.2 million if he stays in Utah, four years and $132.9 million with another team.
And even though the Heat likely would embrace Griffin if he surprisingly wants to leave the Clippers for a much lesser financial deal with Miami, there are some inside the Heat who see the merits of instead signing Waiters, Johnson and another player for the same $30 plus million it would cost to sign Griffin, who has missed 15, 47 and 20 games the past three regular seasons.
For Millsap, 31, the interest from the Heat likely would be at a salary well below his $35 million max.
• The Heat doesn’t need to decide until July 7 whether to guarantee Wayne Ellington’s $6.3 million salary for next season. There is support internally for keeping him – he is valued - but that won’t be decided until Miami sees how the first six days of free agency go. The Heat also might instead work out a multiyear deal with Ellington at a more cap friendly number, but with multiple years.
• What else could the Heat add if it keeps keeps Johnson and Waiters? Depending on how much it takes to keep both, Miami realistically could have anywhere from perhaps $8 million to $20 million, which would shrink by $6 million if Ellington is kept and also depend, in part, on whether the Heat keeps Josh McRoberts with a $6 million cap hit or releases him and takes $2 million hits each of the next three years.
Here are some players the Heat likely would consider with that leftover money, with some of these unaffordable if Miami needs to spend on the high end to keep Johnson and Waiters and opts to keep Ellington: small forwards Rudy Gay (he has interest in the Heat), PJ Tucker and Jeff Green, power forwards Patrick Patterson, Zach Randolph, Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko.
• Omri Casspi, Ian Clark, Kyle Korver, Justin Holiday, Jodie Meeks and Brandon Rush would be available shooters if Miami parts with Ellington, but again, Ellington has a lot of support internally.
• The Heat also could tie up cap space for a few days with an offer to a restricted free agent such as Tim Hardaway Jr., Otto Porter Jr., Nikola Mirotic, Jonathon Simmons, Bojan Bogdanovic or Joe Ingles. But that’s risky and probably fruitless, because a team could match and players could come off the board while the Heat is waiting for an answer. And teams generally don’t let quality restricted free agents walk away.
• There is nothing percolating with trades for a major player. Indiana has given no indication that it’s trading Paul George, nor has Chicago been pushing Jimmy Butler. Miami hasn’t been pursuing Carmelo Anthony.
• The Heat isn’t sure it will be able to afford to keep center Willie Reed, though Miami might dangle its $4.3 million or $3.3 million exceptions, which cannot be combined. Miami hasn’t ruled out a Luke Babbitt return at the minimum. And the Heat has said it wants to keep Udonis Haslem, presumably at the $1.6 million minimum.
• Heat cap space (without Waiters and Reed and Ellington) varies from $37 million to $40 million depending on whether you count cap holds. Teams must have cap holds for any open roster spots up to 12, with each costing the minimum $815,000. But those holds are eliminated when replaced by actual players. So the Heat likely will enter free agency with two or three cap holds; without them, Miami’s space would be close to $40 million.
Read more here:http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...y-jackson/article154300084.html#storylink=cpy
Expect inquiries on Gordon Hayward, Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.
But the odds are against the Heat acquiring any of them, and the most likely scenario remains Johnson and Waiters staying (unless one gets an enormous offer elsewhere that the Heat isn’t comfortable matching) and Miami then supplementing the roster. Everyone with the Heat would love Johnson back, and Waiters – a personal project of Pat Riley – is also valued.
According to a source close to him, Hayward has given no indication that Miami is on his radar, with Boston viewed as the most serious challenger to Utah. Remember, Hayward can get five years and $179.2 million if he stays in Utah, four years and $132.9 million with another team.
And even though the Heat likely would embrace Griffin if he surprisingly wants to leave the Clippers for a much lesser financial deal with Miami, there are some inside the Heat who see the merits of instead signing Waiters, Johnson and another player for the same $30 plus million it would cost to sign Griffin, who has missed 15, 47 and 20 games the past three regular seasons.
For Millsap, 31, the interest from the Heat likely would be at a salary well below his $35 million max.
• The Heat doesn’t need to decide until July 7 whether to guarantee Wayne Ellington’s $6.3 million salary for next season. There is support internally for keeping him – he is valued - but that won’t be decided until Miami sees how the first six days of free agency go. The Heat also might instead work out a multiyear deal with Ellington at a more cap friendly number, but with multiple years.
• What else could the Heat add if it keeps keeps Johnson and Waiters? Depending on how much it takes to keep both, Miami realistically could have anywhere from perhaps $8 million to $20 million, which would shrink by $6 million if Ellington is kept and also depend, in part, on whether the Heat keeps Josh McRoberts with a $6 million cap hit or releases him and takes $2 million hits each of the next three years.
Here are some players the Heat likely would consider with that leftover money, with some of these unaffordable if Miami needs to spend on the high end to keep Johnson and Waiters and opts to keep Ellington: small forwards Rudy Gay (he has interest in the Heat), PJ Tucker and Jeff Green, power forwards Patrick Patterson, Zach Randolph, Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko.
• Omri Casspi, Ian Clark, Kyle Korver, Justin Holiday, Jodie Meeks and Brandon Rush would be available shooters if Miami parts with Ellington, but again, Ellington has a lot of support internally.
• The Heat also could tie up cap space for a few days with an offer to a restricted free agent such as Tim Hardaway Jr., Otto Porter Jr., Nikola Mirotic, Jonathon Simmons, Bojan Bogdanovic or Joe Ingles. But that’s risky and probably fruitless, because a team could match and players could come off the board while the Heat is waiting for an answer. And teams generally don’t let quality restricted free agents walk away.
• There is nothing percolating with trades for a major player. Indiana has given no indication that it’s trading Paul George, nor has Chicago been pushing Jimmy Butler. Miami hasn’t been pursuing Carmelo Anthony.
• The Heat isn’t sure it will be able to afford to keep center Willie Reed, though Miami might dangle its $4.3 million or $3.3 million exceptions, which cannot be combined. Miami hasn’t ruled out a Luke Babbitt return at the minimum. And the Heat has said it wants to keep Udonis Haslem, presumably at the $1.6 million minimum.
• Heat cap space (without Waiters and Reed and Ellington) varies from $37 million to $40 million depending on whether you count cap holds. Teams must have cap holds for any open roster spots up to 12, with each costing the minimum $815,000. But those holds are eliminated when replaced by actual players. So the Heat likely will enter free agency with two or three cap holds; without them, Miami’s space would be close to $40 million.
Read more here:http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...y-jackson/article154300084.html#storylink=cpy
The way everybody keeps talking it's pretty much Dion and JJ coming back
You release mctrash and add patrick patterson
Draft john Collins or Donovan Mitchell
Dion gets 15 mil
JJ gets 12 mil
Patterson gets 8 mil
Ellington goes and reed goes with 5 mil left you give UD the minimum and the rest to fill a hole
Dragic/TJ
Dion/Rich
Winslow/Mcgruder
Patterson/JJ/Collins
White/Benson
OR
you sign gay and dion and fill the roster out with scraps
You release mctrash and add patrick patterson
Draft john Collins or Donovan Mitchell
Dion gets 15 mil
JJ gets 12 mil
Patterson gets 8 mil
Ellington goes and reed goes with 5 mil left you give UD the minimum and the rest to fill a hole
Dragic/TJ
Dion/Rich
Winslow/Mcgruder
Patterson/JJ/Collins
White/Benson
OR
you sign gay and dion and fill the roster out with scraps
