Obama Needs to Hear from You on Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations

[memphis]

1.) @ the bolded. its not wise to assume that what you dont see is non-existent or insignificant.

2.) why would israel have to steal water when they have one of the biggest and most advanced desalination programs in the world? thats stupid. once again you as others are emotional over unfounded and unproven propaganda.

are you really that delusional. You really have no intellectual honesty. One of the final status issues is water!! why negotiate over water if it is not being taken from aquifers in the west bank? But here is what what B'tsalem has to say on water, I assume though, that you'll just call them bias. But that is just asisine considering it is an israeli group.

http://www.btselem.org/english/Water/Shared_Sources.asp

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3.) um...israel is not the reason why the world hates america. trust me...i know.

Now the I/P conflict is not the sole reasons for american hatred, but it does contribute. " according to the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, Joe Biden engaged in a private, and angry, exchange with the Israeli Prime Minister. Not surprisingly, what Biden told Netanyahu reflected the importance the administration attached to Petraeus's Mullen briefing: "This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly told Netanyahu. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace." Yedioth Ahronoth went on to report: "The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel's actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism." The message couldn't be plainer: Israel's intransigence could cost American lives. "

And if you know anything, yu'll know that Yedioth Ahronot is far from anything not pro-israel and is not biased

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4.) you and your boy have history twisted. many palestinians left their homes voluntarily. look it up...if you care to view unbiased sources. either way war is war.

"In the opening pages of "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were EXPELLED by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or in fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, when the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire." Article from Le Monde 1997

'In general, during the first months of the war until April 1948 the Palestinian leadership struggled, if not very manfully, against the exodus: "The AHC [Arab Higher Committee] decided .... to adopt measures to weaken the exodus by imposing restrictions, penalties, threats, propaganda in the press [and] on the radio .... [The AHC] tried to obtain the help of neighboring countries in this context ..... [The AHC] especially tried to prevent the flight of army-age young males," according to IDF intelligence'. Benny Morris

'Whatever the reasoning and attitude of the Arab states' leaders, I have found no contemporary evidence to show that either the leaders of the Arab states or the Mufti [Hajj Amin al-Husseini] ordered or directly encouraged the mass exodus during April [1948]. It may be worth noting that for decades the policy of the Palestinian Arab leaders had been to hold fast to the soil of Palestine and to resist the eviction and displacement of Arab communities' Benny Morris

"There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)." On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with "severe punishment". Benny Morris

'In Kafr Saba [early May 1948], the locals, under threat from Haganah attack, wanted to leave, but were ordered to stay by the ALA [Arab Liberation Army] garrison. According to Haganah sources, the ALA, with the population of Ramallah about to take flight, blocked all roads into the Triangle: "The Arab military leaders are trying to stem the flood of refugees and taking stern and ruthless measures against them." Arab radio broadcast, picked up by the Haganah, conveyed orders from the ALA to all Arabs who had left their homes to "return within three days. The commander of Ramallah assembled the mukhtars [official leaders] from the area" and demanded they strengthen morale in the their villages. The local ALA commanders turned back trucks which were coming to take families out of Ramallah. .... Haganah intelligence on May 6 reported that "Radio Jerusalem in its Arabic broadcast (14:00 hours, 5 May) and Damascus [Radio] (19:45 hours, 5 May) announced in the name of the Supreme Headquarters: 'Every Arab must defend his home and property .... Those who leave their places will be punished and their homes will be destroyed.'. The announcement was signed by [Fawzi al-]Qawukji.' Benny Morris

". . . after April 1948, the flight acquired massive dimensions. Abd al-Rahman Azzam Pasha, secretary general of the Arab League, and King Abdullah both issued public calls to the Arabs not to leave their homes. Fawzi al-Qawukji, commander of the Arab Liberation Army, was give instructions to stop the flight by force and to requisition transport for this purpose. The Arab government decided to allow entry only to women and children and to send back all men of military age (between eighteen and fifty). Mohammad Adib al-Umri, deputy director of Ramallah broadcasting station, appealed to the Arabs to stop the flight from Jenin, Tulkarm, and other towns in the Triangle that were bombed by the Israelis. On May 10, Radio Jerusalem broadcasted orders on its Arab program from Arab commanders and AHC to stop the mass flight from Jerusalem and the vicinity." Simha Flapan

'The fall of Safad and the flight of its inhabitants shocked the [Palestinian] Arab villagers of the Hula Valley, to the north. [Yegal] Allon launched a psychological warfare campaign ("If you don't flee immediately, you will all be slaughtered, your daughters will be raped," are the like), and almost all the villagers fled to Lebanon and Syria.' Simha Flapan

"The story which Jewish publicity at first persuaded the world to accept , that the [Palestinian] Arab refugees left voluntarily, is not true. Voluntary emigrants do not leave their homes with only the clothes they stand in. People who decided to leave house do not do so in such a hurry that they lose other members of their family -- husband losing sight of his wife, or parents of their children. The fact is that the majority left in panic flight, to escape massacre. They were in fact helped on their way by the occasional massacres--not of very many at a time, but just enough to keep them running." Glubb Pasha

"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism. These are historical facts that cannot be altered. . . In the end, history will justify both the stratagems and deceit and the acts of adventurism. All I know is that I, Moshe Sharett, am not capable of them, and I am therefore unsuited to lead this country" Simha FlapanIn other word, what Moshe Sharett is saying that the "Jewish state" is incapable of surviving without lying to its citizens and the rest of the world; in fact it has been national security for the "Jewish state" to do so. This form of carefully crafted deception and lies is known in Israel by its Hebrew name: The art of Hasbarah.

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[memphis]

5.) stolen farmland? where is proof that the land BELONGED to the palestinians in the first place. im not saying that there aint no bullshit in the game , but its basically a squatter fight. prove that the land BELONGS TO THEM..

David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, "Complete Diaries," June 12, 1895 entry.:

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."

Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969:

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"

David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,
1978, p. 99:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":

"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."

Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):

"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We [Israel] enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we [Israel] established an apartheid regime."

6.) if said settlements are illegal according to international law then why no repurcussions??..

The establishment of settlements in the West Bank violates international humanitarian law which establishes principles that apply during war and occupation. Moreover, the settlements lead to the infringement of international human rights law.
The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit an occupying power from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.
The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement. The illegality of the settlements under international humanitarian law does not affect the status of the settlers. The settlers constitute a civilian population by any standard, and include children, who are entitled to special protection. Although some of the settlers are part of the security forces, this fact has absolutely no bearing on the status of the other residents of the settlements. http://www.btselem.org/english/Settlements/International_Law.asp

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[shootemwon]

judahxulu, just give up retard.

you're making a fool of yourself, idiot.

memphis is clearly smarter than you, moron.

have a good evening, faggot.

 

[memphis]

I'll get to your top 10 zionist lies tomorrow or saturday when I have some time.

 

[judahxulu]

judahxulu, just give up retard.

you're making a fool of yourself, idiot.

memphis is clearly smarter than you, moron.

have a good evening, faggot.

fuck you. see a faggot slap a faggot.

 

[memphis]

TOP 10 ANTI-ISRAEL LIES

Lie No. 1: Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust. Why should Palestinians pay the price?

Three thousand years before the Holocaust, before there was a Roman Empire, Israel’s kings and prophets walked the streets of Jerusalem. The whole world knows that Isaiah did not speak his prophesies from Portugal, nor Jeremiah his lamentations from France. Revered by its people, Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures 600 times, but not once in the Koran. Throughout the 2,000-year exile of the Jews, there was a continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land.

Jews have a genuine historical tie but not exclusive. Jews were the majority in the Land for only some 1,900 of 10,000 years of modern history, and were the governing authority for even less. Exclusively maintaining the land ignores the 21st century reality, which is one in which Jews have lived outside of Israel for centuries and must accommodate the other populations who have lived, and continue to live here. For example the Canaanites were the dominant group for over two thousand years, as were the Natufians. The Yarmukians were around for some four thousand years and laid the base for the agricultural communities that followed. Jews have no more, and no less, a right to the land than the others who have populated land, including the Arabs (1200 years).

 

[stillmatic_01]

Its northeastern Africa. The Suez Canal is manmade.

no it's not.

stop lying.

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 2: Had Israel withdrawn to its June 1967 borders, peace would have come long ago.

Since 1967, Israel repeatedly has conceded “land for peace.” Following Egyptian President Sadat’s historic 1977 visit to Jerusalem, Israel withdrew from the vast Sinai Peninsula and has been at peace with Egypt ever since. But the Palestinian Authority has never fulfilled its promise to end propaganda attacks nor drop the Palestinian National Charter’s call for Israel’s destruction. In 2000, Prime Minister Barak offered Yasser Arafat full sovereignty more than 97 percent of the West Bank, a corridor to Gaza, and a capital in the Arab section of Jerusalem. Arafat said no.

Contrary to popular assumptions, “Israel never offered the Palestinians 95 percent of the West Bank as reports indicated at the time”. The ‘generous offer’ was just another incarnation of previous Israeli plans to annex huge swathes of the OPT, retaining major settlement blocs “that effectively cut the West Bank into three sections with full Israeli control from Jerusalem to the Jordan River”

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 3: Israel is the main stumbling block to achieving a two-state solution.

The Palestinians themselves are the only stumbling block to achieving a two-state solution. With whom should Israel negotiate? With President Abbas, who for four years has been barred by Hamas from visiting 1.5 million constituents in Gaza? With his Palestinian Authority, which continues to glorify terrorists and preaches hate in its educational system and the media? With Hamas, whose Iranian-backed leaders deny the Holocaust and use fanatical Jihadist rhetoric to call for Israel’s destruction? .

on several occasions many Arab and Palestinian proposals for peace have been offered, only to be rejected by the Israeli side. As early as the 1950s, Nasser expressed interest in a long-term peace arrangement with the State of Israel. In 1978, Anwar Sadat took the initiative and sought peace with Israel, ending in the Camp David Agreement of 1979 which resulted in the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. In 1981, both the Saudis and the PLO offered Israel peace, only to berejected. And most recently, in 2002 the Saudi Peace Plan, endorsed by the entire Arab League, has been completely rejected by the Israelis.

It was Israel, not the Palestinians, who had to be pressured by the first Bush administration to enter negotiations with the Palestinians at Madrid in 1991. The earlier rejection of Madrid was just one of many rejections Israel had made in response to Palestinian overtures. In June of 1990, in response to Israel’s unwillingness to meet the PLO, United States Secretary of State James A. Baker stated, “everybody over there should know that the telephone number of the White House is 1-202- 456-1414. When you are serious about peace, call us.” The US even went so far as to delay loan guarantees to Israel in order to bring about Israeli compliance.


It was the Israelis, not the Palestinians, who walked away from Taba.
At Camp David, Ehud Barak presented the following:
No Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount, No Right of Return or any return of refugees to Israel Israel’s annexation of large settlement blocs, An Israeli military presence in other areas, Effective Israeli sovereignty over the borders of the future Palestinian state.
These were unreasonable conditions, conditions that no Palestinian leader could accept though Arafat proved willing to negotiate on several of them.

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 4: Nuclear Israel, not Iran, is the greatest threat to peace and stability.
The United States and Europe can afford to wait to see what the Iranian regime does with its nuclear ambitions, but Israel cannot. Israel is on the front lines and remembers every day the price the Jewish people paid for not taking Hitler at his word. Israel is not prepared to sacrifice another 6 million Jews on the altar of the world’s indifference.

The Arab League summit in Beirut unanimously put forth a peace initiative echoing the U.N. consensus, which it has subsequently reaffirmed (most recently at the March 2009 Arab League summit in Doha),while all 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), including Iran, “adopted the Arab peace initiative to resolve the issue of Palestine and the Middle East . . . and decided to use all possible means in order to explain and clarify the full implications of this initiative and win international support for its implementation.” In thehands of propagandists for Israel this fact gets transmuted into “all 57 members of the OIC are virulently hostile to Israel.” The Arab League initiative commits it not just to recognize Israel but also to “establish normal relations” once Israel implements the consensus terms for a comprehensive peace.

Furthermore, Iran has not invaded a country in over 260 years, while Israel has fought a war, as Ze’ev Maoz, who served as the Academic Director of the M.A. program of the National Defense College of the IDF has pointed out, Israel has been the aggressor in almost every war they have been in.

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 5: Israel is an apartheid state deserving of international boycott, divestment and sanctions campaigns.

In fact, Israel is a democratic state. Its 20 percent Arab minority enjoys all the political, economic and religious rights and freedoms of citizenship, including electing members of their choice to the Knesset (Parliament).

What follows are the laws in Israel that are discriminatory and which promote apartheid policies. Clearly, based on UN definitions of apartheid, and the universal human rights of ALL people enshrined in the UNCHR, the methods and means which Israel employs to assert its control and dominate the indigenous people of Palestine cannot be classified as anything but apartheid.


Law of Return (1950)
This law grants every Jew (defined as those who convert or have their mother as a Jew) the right to immigrate to Israel automatically. On the other hand, Palestinians who fled in fear during 1948 and 1967 have not been granted the right to return as mandated by the UN. This is systematic discrimination based on race.
Identity Card (Possession and Presentation) Law (1982)
Residents must carry identity cards at all times and present them to "senior police officers, to the heads of local authorities, or to police officers or soldiers on duty when requested to do so." Furthermore, their nationalities must be printed on these, including whether being Jewish, Palestinian, Druze etc. This provides the means to systematically discriminate based on race.
Cultural Exclusion:
Any form of Palestinian expression of national self-determination is fiercely suppressed. The Palestinian flag has been declared illegal under Israeli law, and flying the flag is punishable by a prison sentence
Land:
While Israel excludes Palestinians and non-Jews from state land and land belonging to the Jewish National Fund, it does not exclude Jews from the very limited and minimal land remaining under Palestinian (“Arab”) ownership. This has been compared to Apartheid South Africa where only 13% of the land could be owned by the native African population, but the difference lies in the fact that South African law guaranteed that 13% as African land, while Israeli law makes no such provisions for what it terms “Arab land”
Absentee Property Law (1950)
Classifies the personal property of Palestinians who fled during 1947/48 as "absentee property" and becomes state property, even if they are within the state or making attempts to return to it (conveniently stopped by Israel).
National Planning and Building Law (1965)
Creates a system of discriminatory zoning that freezes existing Arab villages while providing for the expansion of Jewish settlements. The law also re-classifies a large number of Arab villages as "non-residential" creating the "unrecognized villages." These villages do not receive basic municipal services such as water and electricity; all buildings are threatened with demolition orders.
Agriculture
Palestinians cultivate 15% of arable land, but only receive 3% of water available for irrigation.
Income, Employment, and Allocation of Government Spending:
The Central Bureau of Israeli Statistics indicates that 85% of Palestinians in Israel are in the bottom five deciles of income distribution while 50% of Jews in Israel are in the upper five deciles. Palestinian familes earn, on average, less than 65% of the average income of Jewish
families. IDF service a requirement for employment in many jobs; the vast majority of Palestinians do not serve in the IDF, and thus are excluded from these jobs
The Law of Political Parties (1992)
Bars the Registrar of Political Parties from registering a political party if it denies "the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic State." In 2002 both Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law: the Knesset and the Law of Political Parties were amended further to bar those whose goals or actions, directly or indirectly, "support armed struggle of an enemy state or of a terror organization, against the State of Israel." These amendments were added expressly to curtail the political participation of Palestinian Arabs within Israel - such as Azmi Bishara - who have expressed solidarity with Palestinians resisting military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. Despite the right to vote, right to run for office, and the right to hold limited positions on the Israeli legislature, the Knesset, Palestinian political and social activism has been completely supressed by the Israeli government. The right to organize, protest, and mobilize has been blocked by Israel on numerous occasions; several political parties have also been outlawed, their leaders arrested, and their newspapers banned due to their advocacy for Palestinian human rights within Israel.
Education
There is not a single Arabic-language university in Israel, despite Palestinians making up some 20-30% of the population. Systematic discrimination exists in the Israeli education system with separate schools for Palestinian and Jewish schoolchildren. Selective allocation of funds means Arab schools are usually overcrowded, underequipped, underperforming, and having less reources relative to Jewish schools. Jewish curriculum is all-round with history, politics, sciences being taught while the curriculum in Arab schools is very heavily censored, with history, politics, and any national material being edited out.

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 6: Plans to build 1,600 more homes in East Jerusalem prove Israel is "Judaizing" the Holy City.

Ramat Shlomo was not about Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem but about a long established, heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in northern Jerusalem, where 250,000 Jews live (about the size of Newark, N.J.) -- an area that will never be relinquished by Israel.

Irregardless of whether Ramat Shlomo is heavily populized Jewish neighbourhood it is still illegally annexed to Israel. Israel’s presence in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is a military occupation, and illegal under international law. As defined under international law, it’s a military occupation. This is the position of the entire international community and the United Nations Security Council. It has been reaffirmed in court cases before the World Court, the ICJ, and Israel’s own Supreme Court/High Court of Justice, and even Ariel Sharon used the word “Occupation”, if perhaps just once.

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 7: Israeli policies endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict would benefit everyone, including the United States. But an imposed return to what Abba Eban called “1967 Auschwitz borders” would endanger Israel’s survival and ultimately be disastrous for American interests and credibility in the world.

I’ll state it again, since you have clearly shown your ignorance and intellectual ineptness. according to the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, Joe Biden engaged in a private, and angry, exchange with the Israeli Prime Minister. Not surprisingly, what Biden told Netanyahu reflected the importance the administration attached to Petraeus's Mullen briefing: "This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly told Netanyahu. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace." Yedioth Ahronoth went on to report: "The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel's actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism." The message couldn't be plainer: Israel's intransigence could cost American lives. "

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 8: Israeli policies are the cause of worldwide anti-Semitism.

From the Inquisition to the pogroms, to the 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis, history proves that Jew hatred existed on a global scale before the creation of the State of Israel. It would still exist in 2010 even if Israel had never been created. For example, one poll indicates that 40 percent of Europeans blame the recent global economic crisis on “Jews having too much economic power” -- a canard that has nothing to do with Israel.

Nothing to really refute hear. It would be no surprise to find anti-Semites critical of Israel, but to criticize specific Israeli policies that violate international law is the opposite of bigotry. Instead it is a just act — one might even say a very Jewish one — that works to strengthen human rights, rights that protect Jews as much as anybody else.
If one is criticizing house demolitions, checkpoints, extrajudicial executions and like, and one is called anti-Semitic, then the accuser is bizarre indeed. In order for those criticisms to be anti-Semitic the accuser has to accept those violations of international law as inherent characteristics of Jewry. So who is being anti-Semitic here?

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 9: Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the “humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza. Goldstone was right when he charged that Israel was guilty of war crimes against civilians.

The United Nations Human Rights Council is obsessed with false anti-Israel resolutions. It refuses to address grievous human rights abuses in Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and beyond. Faced with similar attacks, every U.N. member-state, including the United States and Canada, surely would have acted more aggressively than the Israel Defense Forces did in Gaza.

Well, this is nothing but unsubstantiated rhetoric and completely false. The U.N has repeatedly described Gaza as a humanitarian catastrophe and has called for Israel to end the blockade to let in much needed aid, medical supplies, construction material and other items to give healthy subsistence back to the Gazan’s

Furthermore, It was not Hamas that broke the ceasefire, but Israel. In November 2008, Israel launched a cross border raid into the Gaza Strip, killing several Hamas militants, exacerbating an already tense situation. Moreover, in addition to this violation, Israel had tightened its illegal siege on Gaza throughout the 6-month ceasefire. Thus, when Hamas retaliated by launching several rockets into Israel in December, the Israeli Defense Forces used that as a pretext to launch a massive offensive against Gaza. According to Israeli officials themselves, this offensive, called Operation Cast Lead, was planned months in advance and sought to restore the “deterrence capacity” of the Israeli state after it had been humbled by Hezbollah in South Lebanon in 2006. Operation Cast Lead cannot be described as a war, it was a one-sided massacre of a defenceless civilian population, who were subjected to a brutal aerial, naval, and artillery bombardment. Of the 1400 killed, the overwhelming majority were Palestinian civilians, who died in Israeli strikes against mosques, hospitals, homes, and other non-combatant infrastructure. Israel also used illegal weaponry such as white phosphorus against the civilian population of Gaza. The Goldstone Report, compiled by the respected Judge Richard Goldstone, investigated the events of the war and concluded that Israel had deliberately targeted civilians and failed to uphold the rules of engagement, hence countering the Israeli claim that the IDF behaved “humanely and admirably”.

As well, the IDF has it’s own report http://www.hybridstates.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/GazaUpdateJuly2010.pdf in which the IDF confirms over 20 gravest findings of the Goldstone Report

 

[memphis]

Lie No. 10: The only hope for peace is a single, binational state eliminating the Jewish State of Israel.

The one-state solution is a non-starter because it would eliminate the Jewish homeland. However, the current pressures on Israel are equally dangerous. In effect, the world is demanding that Israel, the size of New Jersey, shrink further by accepting a three-state solution: a P.A. state on the West Bank and a Hamas terrorist one in Gaza. All this as Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon, stockpiles 50,000 rockets, threatening northern and central Israel’s main population centers. Current polls show that while most Israelis favor a two-state solution, most Palestinians continue to oppose it.

The only hope for peace is for Israel to abide by the Saudi Peace Plan, if it doesn’t the facts on the ground will be too large to overcome and the only solution will be a bi-national state with democracy for all or by having an apartheid state and further isolating itself.

I want to add to this. It is stated " Israeli's favour a two-state solution..." This is categorically false. Lets look at the U.N voting on the two-state solution.

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The international community, apart from Israel and the United States, has consistently supported a settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict that calls for two states based on a full Israeli withdrawal to its June 1967 borders, and a "just resolution" of the refugee question based on the right of return and compensation. The United Nations General Assembly annually votes on a resolution titled "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine." This resolution repeatedly includes these tenets for achieving a "two-State solution of Israel and Palestine": (1) "Affirming the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war"; (2) "Reaffirming the illegality of the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem"; (3) "Stresses the need for: (a) The withdrawal of Israel from the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem; (b) The realization of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, primarily the right to self-determination and the right to their independent State"; (4) "Also stresses the need for resolving the problem of the Palestine refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948."
Here is the recorded vote on this resolution in recent years:

Year
Vote
[Yes-No-Abstained]

Negative votes cast by…​

1997
155-2-3

Israel, United States​

1998
154-2-3

Israel, United States​

1999
149-3-2

Israel, United States , Marshall Islands​

2000
149-2-3

Israel, United States​

2001
131-6-20

Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Tuvalu​

2002
160-4-3

Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia​

2003
160-6-5

Israel, United States , Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Uganda​

2004
161-7-10

Israel, United States , Australia, Grenada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau​

2005
156-6-9

Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau​

2006
157-7-10

Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau​

2007
161-7-5

Israel, United States , Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau​

now, really, who are the main obstacles to peace???

 

[stillmatic_01]

You claim that the lands of Israel and Palestinians originally belonged to Blacks, I'm very skeptical on that, but even if that's true, I don't see many Blacks claiming the land now....some, but not many.

The REALITY is that 700,000 Palestinians were kicked out of their homes when Israel was created, and businesses were lost by the thousands. Israel is still stealing water and building illegal settlements on stolen farmland.

You say Jews and Palestinians can't claim any of this land, but the reality is Jews are stealing from Palestinians like crazy. And as an American, I can speak on this issue because America defending the scumbag, piece of shit, apartheid loving nation known as Israel is ruining America's reputation worldwide.

If it wasn't for America's vast support of Israel, your beloved country would not be able to kill, steal from, and murder Palestinians like flies every single day.

lol @ 2,000 year old land claims

 

[memphis]

you have officially been OWNED. And now I am done with you, I'm not continuing this any longer. I have exposed your ignorance on the subject for everyone to see. It is clear that you do nothing but rehash old zionist propaganda on a topic you claim to know something about. Anyone with a clear mind will come in here and see that you have officially lost this debate. You are one who does not care for peace, but only to hold onto these racist and unfounded beliefs

 

[memphis]

Could you kill this girl? Juda sure could.
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[judahxulu]

Jews have a genuine historical tie but not exclusive. Jews were the majority in the Land for only some 1,900 of 10,000 years of modern history, and were the governing authority for even less. Exclusively maintaining the land ignores the 21st century reality, which is one in which Jews have lived outside of Israel for centuries and must accommodate the other populations who have lived, and continue to live here. For example the Canaanites were the dominant group for over two thousand years, as were the Natufians. The Yarmukians were around for some four thousand years and laid the base for the agricultural communities that followed. Jews have no more, and no less, a right to the land than the others who have populated land, including the Arabs (1200 years).

Ok. Lets start with this one. I agree to an extent, but I challenge who or what is considered a Jew. Some people who call themselves Jews have no historical ties to the tribe of Judah nor to the land. The Jewish presence that has remained in the Land are not the same ethno-type as the main ruling class amongst Israelis. But ethnicity is really small potatoes in light of my beef with the secular Israelis. Whether their ancestors were there or not, they do not follow the spiritual criteria that the Torah insists upon as a prerequisite for the existence of the Nation of Israel.

The Torah/Tanakh states that all nations will flow unto her (the land) so therefore, yes, you are correct that exclusivity is not viable. And this is where me and political Zionism part ways.

And thank you for proving the "Israel has nothing to do with Africa scoffers wrong" inadvertently by listing Afro-Asiatic people as indigenous i.e the Natufians. The Yarmukians were actually there longer than you said if Im not mistaken.

Now, lets get into the term ARABS which you state have been there for 1200 years. Yes and no. Heres where understanding the indigenous culture and language plays a huge part in having an understanding of what youre talking about. There is no such thing as an Arab people in terms of ethnicity. Let me explain:

According to the Arab League an Arab is "a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic speaking country, who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic speaking peoples". This was defined in 1946 with the formation of the Arab League, not 12000 years ago. Way before that when Islam was enforced by the sword, many indigenous tribes and ethnotypes were Arabicized. The origin of the word ARAB in the Hebrew tongue is 'ereb which means a mixed people. We can see that breakdown certainly holds water if we consider the Crusades. There is definitiely such a thing as an ethnic Saudi Arabian or a cultural Arab, but there no longer exists any such thing as an Arab in the ethnic sense and by the time "Arabs" were on record for ruling Jerusalem (and most of the known world) they were allready heavily diluted from their Ishmaelite roots.

This leads me to the whole thing of why I say there are no Palestinian "people". The United Nation defines them as anyone who has lived TWO YEARS in Palestine before 1948, they and their descendants - with or without proof or documentation. This was definition was designed to help migrant workers in the area. Those people are mostly Jordanaian (moreso in the West bank) and mixed with many other ethnic types from all over the so-called Middle East. Bu t the key concept here is that the modern Palestinian is the descendant of mixed, migrant workers. There is no Palestinian language or culture to speak of. Now, I'm not saying this reality is justification to abuse them but we can't come to a real solution without peeling the mask back off of sensationalistic terms that are not historically, culturally or genetically accurate.

Soooo....back to my firsthand thing. The people who have the realest and strongest ties with the land are in the Old City (Jerusalem) or in the Negev and it just so happens they are impoverished in comparisons with Israelis of more predominantly European ancestry in the North. Long story short, the Israelis and Palestinians who make the decisions to make their subjects fight on terms of right by ethnicity are full of shit. For instance, the architect of Palestinian liberation philosophy Arafat was in fact Egyptian. And hell, we know where Hertzl and his ancestors were born..........not there. Whether of Ishmaelite. Midianite, Canaanite or Israelite ancestry, the people with the deepest ties to that land are barely represented in the media at all. In our village we call them the "Hidden Ones'.