Obama is extending all of George W. Bush's tax cuts for the rich

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politicalthug202;1600489 said:
Im not talking about in number of bills im talking about scope of bills.

this dude revamped the health care and financial industries in under 2 yrs

Please tell me you don't beleive this. The health care bill was passed and the "FACT" was that not one person in congress nor the senate read the entire proposal. Secondly there has been absolutely no oversight or regulation in the financial sector as promised. Maybe you forgot that less than a year after we the people bailed out wall street, they were getting bigger bonuses then befor the collapse. Bank of america as an example received the most bailout money and have lent less money now than befor the bailout even though they were made whole again at our exspense. Also you may not know that this so- called great health care plan was refused by all of congress and the senate...meaning they are exempt from joining something that is mandatory for all other citizens at our exspense. How can it be so beneficial if they are choosing to keep their own health care ?the only real thing the president did was forever in-debt us to china, which now onws us. All of the so-called stimulus money failed to stimulate anything other than the 1% of rich peoples bottom line.
 
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Two Senate procedural votes on Democratic measures to extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for people who are not super wealthy failed on Saturday, preventing the measures from moving forward.
The votes sought to extend the Bush tax cuts for families making under $250,000 and $1 million, respectively.
Both votes garnered the support of 53 senators, but the Democrats needed 60 votes to end debate.
"I am very disappointed that the Senate did not pass legislation that had already passed the House of Representatives to make middle class tax cuts permanent," President Barack Obama said afterward.

Were is all the outrage over those 6 Dems that voted against this bill? They all knew what the president wanted, this whole country knew but they still voted against it.. TWICE...
 
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shootemwon;1722421 said:
Because some people are more interested in responsible policies for the future of this country, and not only concerned with keeping their own taxes low at all costs.

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This famous chart allows us to estimate how much the average person in each income bracket stands to "save" if all cuts are extended (look at the Republican plan. Get used to looking at the Republican plan as long as Obama is president). Notice, people making under 100,000 dollars a year get, at the most, $1,871 a year cut from their tax bill. For reference, that's 36 dollars a week. If you make less than $75,000 per year, that weekly number is down to 21. If you make less than $50,000 per year, the tax cuts are saving you 17 dollars a week, and as you go further down, the number continues to shrink. You get the point.

Now, look at the top income bracket. Someone who makes $1,000,000 dollars or more per year gets a yearly tax cut of $103,835, which equals $1,997 each week. So in other words, if you make less than 100K per year, these tax cuts give you less in a whole year than they give to millionaires in one week.

I know in tough times like these, every little bit helps for many families, and losing even those modest tax cuts could be painful for some middle and working class people. Ideally I'd like to extend the tax cuts for those people. But in the long run, extending the cuts for the rich is far more harmful than raising taxes slightly on the middle class.

The tax cuts for people making $250,000 and higher will cost 70 billion a year (middle class tax cuts have already been accounted for in paygo, so they're deficit neutral if the extension passes and if there's no extension, we have a few hundred billion in undesignated revenue sittin around) , so even if we assume they are let to expire in 2 years, that's 140 billion deficit dollars of deficit spending. Now everyone who knows me knows I'm not opposed to deficit spending right now, as I believe spending can help energize the economy. But tax cuts for the rich are a wasteful and inefficient way to stimulate the economy. So I'd be glad to just lose the extension for the rich and not borrow an unnecessary $140 Billion.

If no extension passes for anyone, and we now have what would amount to a few hundred billion per year, I'd really like to spend that on public works and other legitimate stimulative measures but, realistically, the Republicans would never let another big stimulus bill pass. So if we can't use the money for middle class tax cuts and we can't use the money for job creation and investment, I say fuck it, go ahead and start paying down that big bad scary national debt. Austerity hawks have been warning that the economy continues to lag because our high National Debt makes would-be investors too nervous to make a move. I guess if a public works program is completely off the table in the next session, and we therefor can't spend the money on something smart, like re-vamping our infrastructure, we might as well see if puttin a little dent in our debt actually makes a difference or not.

Bottom line, the tax cuts for the rich passing is much worse than the tax cuts for the middle class failing.

Two Senate procedural votes on Democratic measures to extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for people who are not super wealthy failed on Saturday, preventing the measures from moving forward.
The votes sought to extend the Bush tax cuts for families making under $250,000 and $1 million, respectively.
Both votes garnered the support of 53 senators, but the Democrats needed 60 votes to end debate.
"I am very disappointed that the Senate did not pass legislation that had already passed the House of Representatives to make middle class tax cuts permanent," President Barack Obama said afterward.

Were is all the outrage over those 6 Dems that voted against this bill? They all knew what the president wanted, this whole country knew but they still voted against it.. TWICE...
 
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blatin35;1723977 said:
Two Senate procedural votes on Democratic measures to extend George W. Bush-era tax cuts for people who are not super wealthy failed on Saturday, preventing the measures from moving forward.

The votes sought to extend the Bush tax cuts for families making under $250,000 and $1 million, respectively.

Both votes garnered the support of 53 senators, but the Democrats needed 60 votes to end debate.

"I am very disappointed that the Senate did not pass legislation that had already passed the House of Representatives to make middle class tax cuts permanent," President Barack Obama said afterward.

Were is all the outrage over those 6 Dems that voted against this bill? They all knew what the president wanted, this whole country knew but they still voted against it.. TWICE...

Ok, first of all, I remember seeing you a while back in here calling KTULU stupid and saying Obama wouldn't cave on this, so before you come back here tellin us who to get mad at, how about manning up and acknowledging you were wrong? Be honorable.

As to your thread, I been furious at the Senate Dems, but even more than these buffoons voting against tax cuts for the middle class, I'm furious at Harry Reid for never forcing the other side to actually do a full on filibuster, standing on the floor, blocking middle class tax cuts, for hours and hours and hours.

Anyway, there's nothing to be done about that vote anymore. Now the best option is to encourage congressional Democrats to have the courage to vote down Obama's sellout deal. If it's cuts for the rich or nothing, the better choice is nothing.
 
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shootemwon;1724041 said:
Ok, first of all, I remember seeing you a while back in here calling KTULU stupid and saying Obama wouldn't cave on this, so before you come back here tellin us who to get mad at, how about manning up and acknowledging you were wrong? Be honorable.

As to your thread, I been furious at the Senate Dems, but even more than these buffoons voting against tax cuts for the middle class, I'm furious at Harry Reid for never forcing the other side to actually do a full on filibuster, standing on the floor, blocking middle class tax cuts, for hours and hours and hours.

Anyway, there's nothing to be done about that vote anymore. Now the best option is to encourage congressional Democrats to have the courage to vote down Obama's sellout deal. If it's cuts for the rich or nothing, the better choice is nothing.

I called his ass stupid in another thread.. Here what I said in this thread..

Quote Originally Posted by kingblaze84 View Post
I have been learning this the hard way. Obama is a puppet, bitch made leader for the ages. Shame on his ass for continuing the losing war in Afghanistan, which is only making America more hated in the Arab world.
Everyone knew that before he got elected, why is it a surprise now? He also has a time line for the war to end next year.. (Which he also said before he got elected)

The plan is for 2 years, hopefully by that time the people who voted republican will have learned their lesson for 2012...
 
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Dude is mad because his political analysis sucks AND he's just now realizing that Obama is a sellout.
 
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earth two superman;1722601 said:
if obama gets a challenge from the dems it pretty much guarantees a republican victory (yes even is Palin runs)

That should motivate Obama to get in line with his base and stop sucking Republican dick, shouldn't it? Lambasting Democrats and his own supporters is foolish and alienating, especially considering when Republicans are still not going to give him credit for anything. They are STILL dissing Obama, despite the generous tax cut plan, LMAO......

And Obama is mad at his base? If he gets a challenge from the Dems, I would be happy about that. I would be even happier if he got in line with his supporters and stop sucking up to Republican philosophies that bankrupt the nation and don't create any new jobs. Never forget ya'll, under Clinton, there were MORE jobs created, and taxes were higher.

Taxes were lower under Bush and rich people decided to go overseas and create jobs in China and India. Obama, smarten up dummy.
 
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