Obama's AIPAC speech, from yesterday.

[kingblaze84]

Let me ask you a question Mr. Can't Read A Post Properly......

let me ask YOU a question: do you want to debate this topic or are you just SO ANGRY because i don't agree with you?

Why do you think the Jewish vote in America turned against Obama so dramatically in the polls last year when Obama criticized Israel's settlements? And stated that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders? And why did the Jewish vote rebound for Obama in the polls after he kissed Israel's ass so much ?

well, let's start by focusing on the fact that you've said "the Jewish vote in America turned against Obama." the Jewish vote for or against Obama wasn't exercised last year, because he wasn't up for election then. no one was voting on anything.

so now we come back to it being an approval rating thing, and nothing about how "the Jewish vote in America turned against Obama" ... and once again, i'm going to point this out to you: "[some Jews] can complain about his treatment of Israel and still vote Obama because they prefer him to the alternative. ... lowered approval ratings mean one is disappointed with the job you're doing. they do not mean one will automatically vote against you." do you think a Jewish voter can't be outraged with Obama in order to get him to CHANGE HIS POSITION?

Obama caved in to heavy Jewish demands to start kissing Israel's ass and he did that. Believe whatever else you want to believe, all I know is that America's constant sucking up to Israel despite it's policies of destroying Palestinian homes and stealing Arab land and water is NOT helping America's image in the Arab world. It's a policy that is costing America respect and money through endless wars.

 

[janklow]

Obama caved in to heavy Jewish demands to start kissing Israel's ass and he did that.

Obama changing his position does not contradict what i have been saying.

Believe whatever else you want to believe, all I know is that America's constant sucking up to Israel despite it's policies of destroying Palestinian homes and stealing Arab land and water is NOT helping America's image in the Arab world. It's a policy that is costing America respect and money through endless wars.

...and this is all unrelated to what i have been saying.

okay, you just wanted to rant and not really debate. it's cool; i hope you got that out of your system.

 

[kingblaze84]

Obama caved in to heavy Jewish demands to start kissing Israel's ass and he did that.

Obama changing his position does not contradict what i have been saying.

Believe whatever else you want to believe, all I know is that America's constant sucking up to Israel despite it's policies of destroying Palestinian homes and stealing Arab land and water is NOT helping America's image in the Arab world. It's a policy that is costing America respect and money through endless wars.

...and this is all unrelated to what i have been saying.

okay, you just wanted to rant and not really debate. it's cool; i hope you got that out of your system.

There was nothing to debate, Obama caved in to Jewish demands that he stop criticizing Israel publicly and start kissing its ass. He caved in because he was afraid American Jews wouldn't give him the financial support to win re-election in 2012, as he looked at the polls and saw he was in deep trouble with Jewish voters. The writing was on the wall and he caved in like a coward. Point blank period.

 

[janklow]

There was nothing to debate-

for there being nothing to debate, you've certainly posted a lot of angry words in this thread.

-Obama caved in to Jewish demands that he stop criticizing Israel publicly and start kissing its ass. He caved in because he was afraid American Jews wouldn't give him the financial support to win re-election in 2012, as he looked at the polls and saw he was in deep trouble with Jewish voters. The writing was on the wall and he caved in like a coward. Point blank period.

see, some of us are arguing that Jewish voters can be displeased with Obama over Israel (and even make that displeasure known) while supporting him; others are claiming the only thing a Jewish voter in America cares about is Israel. i did think you were aware of the debate you were involved in.

 

[kingblaze84]

There was nothing to debate-

for there being nothing to debate, you've certainly posted a lot of angry words in this thread.

-Obama caved in to Jewish demands that he stop criticizing Israel publicly and start kissing its ass. He caved in because he was afraid American Jews wouldn't give him the financial support to win re-election in 2012, as he looked at the polls and saw he was in deep trouble with Jewish voters. The writing was on the wall and he caved in like a coward. Point blank period.

see, some of us are arguing that Jewish voters can be displeased with Obama over Israel (and even make that displeasure known) while supporting him; others are claiming the only thing a Jewish voter in America cares about is Israel. i did think you were aware of the debate you were involved in.

LOL serious question....do you feel most American Jewish voters would still be donating and helping Obama win re-election if Obama was to be as harsh on Israel as he was back in 2010?

 

[janklow]

LOL serious question....do you feel most American Jewish voters would still be donating and helping Obama win re-election if Obama was to be as harsh on Israel as he was back in 2010?

if i answer the question and you don't agree with what i say, is it part of a debate or are you going to flip out and tell me to go do research?