New Atheist/Agnostic Thread 2013

[Bodhi]

I was raised Baptist and remained that way for most of my life. You might actually find some old posts from me defending and promoting theistic belief in the G&S. I gradually removed myself from the faith after realizing that god doesn't exist through observation of those around me. Surely, I thought, if there were a god, there should be people who reflect his existence through godly lives. Obviously, I saw no one who fit that criteria. Today, I don't think that argument is as strong as it was to me then but it did open the door for me.

I decided to leave the religion and begin my own study of spirituality so that if there were a path for me, I could take it and feel more confident about who I was spiritually. I wanted my spirituality to fit me and not to have been chosen for me.

 

[Bodhi]

Also one thing that sticks out for me during that time was dating one of my exes. We were both Christians at the time and we used to discuss the Bible sometimes. I asked her one day (I think this was shortly after I began doubting) what she thought of the fate of children who know nothing of god but die before getting that chance. She had a lot more biblical knowledge than I did back then. She told me they go to hell too because all rational people regardless of age come to know god through experience or some type of exposure so there's no such thing as not having that chance to know him. That ain't sit well with me and many Christians have said the same thing, even here on the IC. I'm not down with a god that torments children for all eternity simply for not knowing him.

 

[beenwize]

Living in the crazy insane world that we live in you mean to tell me we have to read a book full of bloodshed and animal sacrifice for our morals? The book contains some great teachings to live by, but the main publisher and world distributer of the book has been the white man and I don't have any trust in them.

 

[Ajackson17]

Thank you for your responses, and the children go to hell, that's just weird and unusual. Some of the things we believe just to make this religion real and true is mind blowing. For me to make a religion work by adding new things to it, it just means that fitting it in this world that doesn't make sense. Like for example evolution is a fact and about to become a law of nature pretty much, and if the bible has no room for it, all of genesis is false then. If we can't see this magic in this day of age and why are we force to believe in something without evidence? It's rational and logical, math is rational and logical and the universe operates in mathematical practices, so god should move in a mathematical practice, but doesn't? That just really don't sit well for me.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I was raised Baptist and remained that way for most of my life. You might actually find some old posts from me defending and promoting theistic belief in the G&S. I gradually removed myself from the faith after realizing that god doesn't exist through observation of those around me. Surely, I thought, if there were a god, there should be people who reflect his existence through godly lives. Obviously, I saw no one who fit that criteria. Today, I don't think that argument is as strong as it was to me then but it did open the door for me.

I decided to leave the religion and begin my own study of spirituality so that if there were a path for me, I could take it and feel more confident about who I was spiritually. I wanted my spirituality to fit me and not to have been chosen for me.

Are you familiar with Matthew 7:21-23?

That passage alone should have let you know that there are many people who say they are "Christians" who really aren't.

But regardless of that fact, if God was truly your Savior (at that time) than nothing that mankind could do would have stopped you from believing in Him.

Are you familiar with the Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13? If so, where do you believe the seed fell in your life?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Also one thing that sticks out for me during that time was dating one of my exes. We were both Christians at the time and we used to discuss the Bible sometimes. I asked her one day (I think this was shortly after I began doubting) what she thought of the fate of children who know nothing of god but die before getting that chance. She had a lot more biblical knowledge than I did back then. She told me they go to hell too because all rational people regardless of age come to know god through experience or some type of exposure so there's no such thing as not having that chance to know him. That ain't sit well with me and many Christians have said the same thing, even here on the IC. I'm not down with a god that torments children for all eternity simply for not knowing him.

Shall not the God of all the earth do right? If you believe that ALL children who die at a young age go to hell than something is seriously wrong with your theology.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Living in the crazy insane world that we live in you mean to tell me we have to read a book full of bloodshed and animal sacrifice for our morals? The book contains some great teachings to live by, but the main publisher and world distributer of the book has been the white man and I don't have any trust in them.

There will be no progress in human relations as long as we are still stuck on skin color. The God I serve is no respecter of persons. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Thank you for your responses, and the children go to hell, that's just weird and unusual. Some of the things we believe just to make this religion real and true is mind blowing. For me to make a religion work by adding new things to it, it just means that fitting it in this world that doesn't make sense. Like for example evolution is a fact and about to become a law of nature pretty much, and if the bible has no room for it, all of genesis is false then. If we can't see this magic in this day of age and why are we force to believe in something without evidence? It's rational and logical, math is rational and logical and the universe operates in mathematical practices, so god should move in a mathematical practice, but doesn't? That just really don't sit well for me.

Why don't you want to live forever with King Jesus?

 

[Ajackson17]

Please let me reiterate there is no scripture or reference to scripture in this, it's discussion on why people decided to drop religion as a whole or who don't think we have evidence to put any faith towards a religious belief.

 

[Ajackson17]

Thank you for your responses, and the children go to hell, that's just weird and unusual. Some of the things we believe just to make this religion real and true is mind blowing. For me to make a religion work by adding new things to it, it just means that fitting it in this world that doesn't make sense. Like for example evolution is a fact and about to become a law of nature pretty much, and if the bible has no room for it, all of genesis is false then. If we can't see this magic in this day of age and why are we force to believe in something without evidence? It's rational and logical, math is rational and logical and the universe operates in mathematical practices, so god should move in a mathematical practice, but doesn't? That just really don't sit well for me.

Why don't you want to live forever with King Jesus?

I respect Yeshua as a freedom fighter, but I don't place supernatural powers on him though.

 

[alissowack]

Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.

 

[Ajackson17]

Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.

That and the constant changes to the scriptures and writings and obivious taking other religions and than have the nerve to denounce them. The 10 commandments, psalms, proverbs all came from the ma'at. Kemet and Ta Seti have truly have been copied and demeaned. Apparently it takes 40 years to become a master in the mystery schools in Africa yet Moses has learned all of it at the age of 40. So you got to think about things like that. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until you can learn everything in it's fullness.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.

That and the constant changes to the scriptures and writings and obivious taking other religions and than have the nerve to denounce them. The 10 commandments, psalms, proverbs all came from the ma'at. Kemet and Ta Seti have truly have been copied and demeaned. Apparently it takes 40 years to become a master in the mystery schools in Africa yet Moses has learned all of it at the age of 40. So you got to think about things like that. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until you can learn everything in it's fullness.

No they didn't come from those sources. Stop being duped my friend.

1. The law (10 commandments) came from God on Mt. Sinai. They were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God.

2. Have you ever read the Psalms? How can they be attributed to the ma'at when the authors detail certain events in their lives in the Psalms? Come on get real, bruh.

3. Proverbs are general sayings rooted in truth. Solomon wrote the majority of them.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Thank you for your responses, and the children go to hell, that's just weird and unusual. Some of the things we believe just to make this religion real and true is mind blowing. For me to make a religion work by adding new things to it, it just means that fitting it in this world that doesn't make sense. Like for example evolution is a fact and about to become a law of nature pretty much, and if the bible has no room for it, all of genesis is false then. If we can't see this magic in this day of age and why are we force to believe in something without evidence? It's rational and logical, math is rational and logical and the universe operates in mathematical practices, so god should move in a mathematical practice, but doesn't? That just really don't sit well for me.

Why don't you want to live forever with King Jesus?

I respect Yeshua as a freedom fighter, but I don't place supernatural powers on him though.

You didn't answer the question though. Do you want to live forever with King Jesus?

 

[Ajackson17]

Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.

That and the constant changes to the scriptures and writings and obivious taking other religions and than have the nerve to denounce them. The 10 commandments, psalms, proverbs all came from the ma'at. Kemet and Ta Seti have truly have been copied and demeaned. Apparently it takes 40 years to become a master in the mystery schools in Africa yet Moses has learned all of it at the age of 40. So you got to think about things like that. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until you can learn everything in it's fullness.

No they didn't come from those sources. Stop being duped my friend.

1. The law (10 commandments) came from God on Mt. Sinai. They were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God.

2. Have you ever read the Psalms? How can they be attributed to the ma'at when the authors detail certain events in their lives in the Psalms? Come on get real, bruh.

3. Proverbs are general sayings rooted in truth. Solomon wrote the majority of them.

Read the book of the dead which was written in 2500 BC, has word for word a lot of proverbs and psalms.

 

[Ajackson17]

Pretty much it's all this he said she said, I look at how old the text and when their are text much older I give them more relevance when it comes to originality.

 

[LUClEN]

I am a sun worshiper

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Hmmm...2013 is almost over. It would be cool if someone did this annually and when next year comes around...lock the thread. Anyway, what I've noticed about the doubts and denouncement of religions is it's centered around morals; whether religions can make you a morally good person and judging from these posts, religious folk have not shown that they are any better off. It's a fair observation and it would not be wrong to point out how hypocritical "we" can be. I also noticed that because religion is supposedly about morality, then it's books should be all about it. So when a book like the Bible is found to have "blood" all on the pages, it's assumed that it's intent is to promote immorality. If the Bible is really about turning bad people into good people, then doubters have every right to denounce it and believers should seriously consider that it is they are believing in. But, I'm here to say that it is not.

That and the constant changes to the scriptures and writings and obivious taking other religions and than have the nerve to denounce them. The 10 commandments, psalms, proverbs all came from the ma'at. Kemet and Ta Seti have truly have been copied and demeaned. Apparently it takes 40 years to become a master in the mystery schools in Africa yet Moses has learned all of it at the age of 40. So you got to think about things like that. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until you can learn everything in it's fullness.

No they didn't come from those sources. Stop being duped my friend.

1. The law (10 commandments) came from God on Mt. Sinai. They were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God.

2. Have you ever read the Psalms? How can they be attributed to the ma'at when the authors detail certain events in their lives in the Psalms? Come on get real, bruh.

3. Proverbs are general sayings rooted in truth. Solomon wrote the majority of them.

Read the book of the dead which was written in 2500 BC, has word for word a lot of proverbs and psalms.

Non-sense. Where are you getting this information from?

 

[Ajackson17]

http://www.bookofdead.com/history.htm

 

[Black Boy King]

save yourself ajackson, i know who you are, these forums have aided in your corruption