Naruto needs to end while it can

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DarkRaiden;1291748 said:
Jiraiya can SEAL i's chakra as in Naruto can't use it no matter how much control he has.

And Swamp= Naruto sinks and is stuck or dies.

Toad stomach = Naruto is stuck, trapped and dies. Jiraya wins easily.

its easy to go through the toads stomach for Naruto though.

A chakra blst and dude is through it.

Who cant jump over a swamp or use Chakra to walk over it?

And Jaraiya cant seal something Naruto controls.

He may have been able to seal some of it earlier but now he wouldnt be able to.
 
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DarkRaiden;1291473 said:
Jiraiya has Swamp jutsu that defeated Giant Snake, Naruto does not

Jiraiya = infinite sage mode with Ma and Pa, Naruto = limited sage mode

Jiraya has hair defense and offensive (both A-rank I believe) Naruto doesn't

Jiraiya has fire toad stomach summoning(jutsu used on Itachi and Kisame), Naruto doesn't

Jiraiya has a quote from Pain saying he would have won, Naruto has a quote comforting him that he won't die against Pain

Jiraiya was considered for Hokage, Naruto still isnt

Jiraiya has a 9 in speed, Taijutsu, and strength, and intelligence, Naruto has like a 6 for these stats.

Jiraiya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Naruto.

All of this means nothing because Jiraiya had better jutsu than even Minato and Kushina, yet they were stronger than him. Kushina sucked at jutsu and that's why it's not naruto's specialty. Gai and Rock Lee do not use jutsu at all and yet they've been doing thus fine throughout the anime. Naruto is the underdog for a reason but yes he is stronger than Jiraiya and thus the reason why Jiraiya passed the message on to him. Jiraiya took out one of pain's character's and died, Naruto took out the rest of them easily with the use of less jutsu and just using his rasengans and sage mode. Naruto, hands down is stronger. Sarotobi, the 3rd hokage possessed more jutsu than alot of the other character's but I guarantee some of them can take him out. In manga storylines, they always take a character with the most flaws and build him up, that's just how it goes, they did the same with Goku in Dragonball Z when all the other Saiyans were a hell of alot stronger than him but it's just character development.
 
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Either way, this doesn't matter because Sasuke would murk Naruto, even if he has the Fox under control. Did you not see how Sasuke absolutely ran up on the feudal lords at the Kage Conference? Not only did he b*tch out the feudal lords, and kill Danzo, he then betrayed Karin like it was nothing. That's the difference between Sasuke and Naruto. Naruto might be strong, but he's hot-headed and emotional. If you kill Hinata and Sakura, he'll just go wild again. Sasuke's an assassin; he'll wipe out you and your entire village while thinking about what he's gonna have for lunch. Naruto has way too many friends that can be touched, Sasuke would have a field day.

Plus, for all that power, Naruto still is powerless against genjutsu. So unless someone is there to wake him up when Sasuke starts mentally torturing him, any fight still won't end well.
 
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arbitration;1292101 said:
Either way, this doesn't matter because Sasuke would murk Naruto, even if he has the Fox under control. Did you not see how Sasuke absolutely ran up on the feudal lords at the Kage Conference? Not only did he b*tch out the feudal lords, and kill Danzo, he then betrayed Karin like it was nothing. That's the difference between Sasuke and Naruto. Naruto might be strong, but he's hot-headed and emotional. If you kill Hinata and Sakura, he'll just go wild again. Sasuke's an assassin; he'll wipe out you and your entire village while thinking about what he's gonna have for lunch. Naruto has way too many friends that can be touched, Sasuke would have a field day.

Plus, for all that power, Naruto still is powerless against genjutsu. So unless someone is there to wake him up when Sasuke starts mentally torturing him, any fight still won't end well.

I can wat to see what Sasuke's EMS abilities will be. I wonder if EMS just lets him perma spam MS abilities, or will he get some new abilities.

oh yeah, Naruto chapter 510 is out. It came out extra early this week. Probably because One Piece is still on it's month long break.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/81065970/1
 
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Sourpatch Kid;1291902 said:
All of this means nothing because Jiraiya had better jutsu than even Minato and Kushina, yet they were stronger than him. Kushina sucked at jutsu and that's why it's not naruto's specialty. Gai and Rock Lee do not use jutsu at all and yet they've been doing thus fine throughout the anime. Naruto is the underdog for a reason but yes he is stronger than Jiraiya and thus the reason why Jiraiya passed the message on to him. Jiraiya took out one of pain's character's and died, Naruto took out the rest of them easily with the use of less jutsu and just using his rasengans and sage mode. Naruto, hands down is stronger. Sarotobi, the 3rd hokage possessed more jutsu than alot of the other character's but I guarantee some of them can take him out. In manga storylines, they always take a character with the most flaws and build him up, that's just how it goes, they did the same with Goku in Dragonball Z when all the other Saiyans were a hell of alot stronger than him but it's just character development.

Kushina is NOT stronger than Jiraiya and I'm not even sure if Minato is either. And I'm not talking about how many jutsu he has I'm talking about effective jutsu. Naruto has none(one rasengan), Jiraiya has many. And Jiraiya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gai and Lee combined. And also the 3rd was said to be the strongest hokage, and if this is true then that means him>>>>>>>>>>>4th, and that he>the 1st, who beat Madara. So those tons of jutsu helped him out alot. And what about Jiraiya's speed advantage? Or strength advantage? Or the fact that he's smarter and has better strategies and can seal the 9 tails (like Minato did to Madara, took it out of his control and Jiraiya>Minato in seals presumably). Jiraiya is superior in every important battle stat, he would stomp Naruto as he can't escape the Toad stomach(especially by a measly chakra blast) or the swamp(can't walk on top of swamp or it wouldn't be an A-class jutsu, tied with rasengan and chidori).

And Jiraiya also >>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke, as does Itachi. Sasuke and Naruto(NAruto especially) suck as characters and are supposed to be strong and have yet to show it).
 
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DarkRaiden;1292690 said:
Kushina is NOT stronger than Jiraiya and I'm not even sure if Minato is either. And I'm not talking about how many jutsu he has I'm talking about effective jutsu. Naruto has none(one rasengan), Jiraiya has many. And Jiraiya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gai and Lee combined. And also the 3rd was said to be the strongest hokage, and if this is true then that means him>>>>>>>>>>>4th, and that he>the 1st, who beat Madara. So those tons of jutsu helped him out alot. And what about Jiraiya's speed advantage? Or strength advantage? Or the fact that he's smarter and has better strategies and can seal the 9 tails (like Minato did to Madara, took it out of his control and Jiraiya>Minato in seals presumably). Jiraiya is superior in every important battle stat, he would stomp Naruto as he can't escape the Toad stomach(especially by a measly chakra blast) or the swamp(can't walk on top of swamp or it wouldn't be an A-class jutsu, tied with rasengan and chidori).

And Jiraiya also >>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke, as does Itachi. Sasuke and Naruto(NAruto especially) suck as characters and are supposed to be strong and have yet to show it).

Sasuke would murder Jaraiya. no need to get into that.

Dude has the perfect Sharingan.

The 4th>>>Jaraiya. Which is why he was able to fight Madara and win.

Jaraiya couldnt even take Pain.

Gai uses no Jutsu so off the muscle dude killing Jaraiya(not overall but just period)

Using the Kyuubi's power Naruto would easily get through a toads stomach.
 
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