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So no one can debate these, if everyone is saying the bible isnt contradictive then why has anyone yet to enlighten me on these differences?
 
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Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, etc...
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time), Land Mammals
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

didnt god speak these things into existence??? what all of that that took all of 15 minutes total...if that
 
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TX_Made713;452850 said:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light

Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)

Day 3: Plants

Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)

Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, etc...

Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time), Land Mammals

Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

didnt god speak these things into existence??? what all of that that took all of 15 minutes total...if that

The horrible thing is some people who try to agree with the big bang theory and with religion try to say that to God, 1 day equaled 100 million years. SMH @ All powerful god takin 100 million years to make just plants, and why the hell is the 7th day even in there if he did nothing?
 
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ThaChozenWun;452872 said:
The horrible thing is some people who try to agree with the big bang theory and with religion try to say that to God, 1 day equaled 100 million years. SMH @ All powerful god takin 100 million years to make just plants, and why the hell is the 7th day even in there if he did nothing?

LMAOOOOO he had to water them i guess
 
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ThaChozenWun;454317 said:
Still no explanations ........ Damnnnnnnnnnn I win I guess.

Wow homie...

Im too tired to answer all of this fully so I'll sum it up as quickly as possible

One, some of the contradictions have no bearing on your acutal interpretation of the text or what you can take from it...

Two, you need to stop reading it completely literally, some of it was written allegorically, to illuminate specific ideas and illustrate particular concepts

Three, almost NONE of the books of the Bible were written by the person after whom they were named, or by a single person in general. The majority of them were compiled by a group of followers. This is what accounts for minor variation...word of mouth...much of the old testament existed as oral history for years before it was ever written down, thats why u have variations in quotes...4 or 40 thousand

Last, in order to get a good grasp of the text you should study the history and theological context in which it was written, otherwise u'll keep gettin caught up on dumb stuff, like Christ's exact last words. If you knew that both gospels were written by groups of disciples about 30 years after the fact, it wouldnt seem like such a huge contradiction when hearing minor variations in the story or language, feel me
 
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Treize117;454380 said:
Wow homie...

Im too tired to answer all of this fully so I'll sum it up as quickly as possible

One, some of the contradictions have no bearing on your acutal interpretation of the text or what you can take from it...

Two, you need to stop reading it completely literally, some of it was written allegorically, to illuminate specific ideas and illustrate particular concepts

Three, almost NONE of the books of the Bible were written by the person after whom they were named, or by a single person in general. The majority of them were compiled by a group of followers. This is what accounts for minor variation...word of mouth...much of the old testament existed as oral history for years before it was ever written down, thats why u have variations in quotes...4 or 40 thousand

Last, in order to get a good grasp of the text you should study the history and theological context in which it was written, otherwise u'll keep gettin caught up on dumb stuff, like Christ's exact last words. If you knew that both gospels were written by groups of disciples about 30 years after the fact, it wouldnt seem like such a huge contradiction when hearing minor variations in the story or language, feel me

Yea I get what your saying but some of these there is no way around it. I would have to see each broken down before I would change my opinion. And the gospels were written anywhere between 80 Ad-230 Ad and it wasnt the disciples who wrote them but followers of the disciples. If you knew my whole take on God you would understand better what I believe and why I dont except the bible or any other book.
 
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1. Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses (1 Kings 4:26), or 4,000 stalls (2 Chronicles 9:25)?

(Category: copyist error, or misunderstood the historical context)

There are a number of ways to answer these puzzling differences. The most plausible is analogous to what we found earlier in challenge numbers five and six above, where the decadal number has been rubbed out or distorted due to constant use.

Others believe that the stalls mentioned in 2 Chronicles were large ones that housed 10 horses each (that is, a row of ten stalls). Therefore 4,000 of these large stalls would be equivalent to 40,000 small ones.

Another commentator maintains that the number of stalls recorded in 1 Kings was the number at the beginning of Solomon's reign, whereas the number recorded in 2 Chronicles was the number of stalls at the end of his reign. We know that Solomon reigned for 40 years; no doubt, many changes occurred during this period. It is quite likely that he reduced the size of the military machine his father David had left him.

2.Children are punished for the sins of the parents [Ex 20:5]

Children are not punished for the sins of the parents [Ezek 18:20]

Are children punished for the sins of the parents?

Exod. 20:5 tells us that God is to be feared, as He has the ability to visit the sins of the fathers on the children.

Ezek. 18:20 tells us this will not happen if the children repent and turn away from the ways of their fathers. Not a contradiction.

3. God tempts men [Gen 22:1 / 2 Sam 24:1 / Jer 20:7 / Matt 6:13]

God tempts no man [James 1:13]

Gen 22 refers to testing; 2 Sam says nothing about God tempting; In Jer 20, the prophet Jeremiah is simply complaining. Just because in a moment of desperation, he accuses God of deceiving him, does not mean that God DID deceive him. Mt 6:13 is part of the Lord's prayer, "lead us not into temptation." The prayer simply inquires of God that helps us keep our distance from temptation (hardly an example of God tempting men!). The only possible hope of a contradiction in this set is to equate testing with temptation. But is testing identical to tempting? For example, let's say God wants to test someone's honesty and puts them in a room with a lost wallet. Is this tempting? I think not. To truly tempt, God would have to whisper, "Pick it up, keep it, no one will know, etc." No clear contradictions here.

4. God is seen and heard [Ex 33:23 / Ex 33:11 / Gen 3:9,10 / Gen 32:30 / Is 6:1 / Ex 24:9-11]

God is invisible and cannot be heard [John 1:18 / John 5:37 / Ex 33:20 / 1 Tim 6:16]

These "contradictions" are easily resolved if one accepts the Trinitarian view of God. Allow me to repost a reply which addressed a similar point, and in doing so, resolves this contradiction....

In a previous post, someone attempts to discredit the deity of Christ by appealing to John 1:18:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (KJV)

He notes:

"If no man has seen God, then logically Jesus was not God, since there is no secular record of an outbreak of sightlessness in Judea in Jesus' time".

How shall the Christian respond? Well, let's consider the statement that "No man hath seen God." Consider the following verses from the Old Testament (OT):

Sarai says "You are the God who sees me," for she said,

"I have now seen the One who sees me" (Gen 16:13)

"So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared." (Gen 32:30)

"Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel." (Ex 24: 9-10)

"they saw God" (Ex 24:11)

"We have seen God!" (Judges 13:22) Now while this person's logic seems to rule out that Jesus was God, it also means that the Bible contains a very significant contradiction. If no one has seen God, how is it that Sarai, Jacob, Moses et al, and Monoah and his wife are said to have seen God?

Actually, this is a problem only for those who deny the deity of Christ while claiming to follow the teachings of the Bible. Let's look again at John 1:18:

"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only (or Only Begotten), who is at the Father's side, has made him known."

I think it is clear that John is speaking of the Father as the one who has not been seen. To paraphrase it, "No one has ever seen God, but the Son, who is at His side, has made Him known". This interpretation not only seems to follow naturally from this verse, but is also quite consistent with the Logos doctrine taught in John 1. Recall, it is the Logos who mediates between God and man, and who reveals God to man. Jesus would later say, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." Prior to the Incarnation of the Son, no one had seen the Father, for it is through the Son that the Father is revealed.

So for the Trinitarian, there is no Bible contradiction. No one ever saw God the Father, and what Sarai, Jacob, Moses, etc saw was God the Son. This can be seen from many perspectives, but let's simply consider one from Isaiah 6. Isaiah "saw the Lord" (v 1). Seraphs were praising the "Lord Almighty" (v 3). Isaiah is overwhelmed and responds, "Woe to me, I am ruined. For I am a man of unclean lips [this rules him out as the servant in Isaiah 53], and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty" (v 5). Later, we read:

"Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" (vs. 8).

Again, the plurality of God is implied. Isaiah asks God to send him, and then God gave him a message to preach.

Now it's time to jump to John 12:37-41. John claims that the peoples failure to believe in Jesus was a fulfillment of these teachings Isaiah received from the Lord in Isaiah 6. Then note verse 41.

"Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him".

Here is a clear example where John equates Jesus with the Lord Almighty seen by Isaiah! This all fits together beautifully. Isaiah sees the Lord Almighty, yet he sees Jesus' glory. Jesus speaks as a plural being (who will go for US). It is the Son who is seen, not the Father.

Thus, John 1:18 does not mean that Jesus was not God, it only means He is not the Father. This verse presents no problems for the Trinitarian, and in fact, when studied, serves as a great launching point for finding Christ in the OT. Prior to the Logos dwelling amongst us and revealing the Father to us, no one had seen the Father. But because of the Incarnation, we can now cry, "Abba, Father" (Romans 8:15) and "Our Father who art in heaven"! Those who see the Son can see the Father.

5. Were the last words that Jesus spook "Father into thy hands I commit my spirit" (Luke 23:46), or "It is finished" (John 19:30)?

(Category: the texts are compatible with a little thought)

'What were the last words of Jesus before he died?' is the question asked by Shabbir in this supposed contradiction. This does not show a contradiction any more than two witnesses to an accident at an intersection will come up with two different scenarios of that accident, depending on where they stood. Neither witness would be incorrect, as they describe the event from a different perspective. Luke was not a witness to the event, and so is dependent on those who were there. John was a witness. What they are both relating, however, is that at the end Jesus gave himself up to death.

It could be said that Luke used the last words that he felt were necessary for his gospel account, which concentrated on the humanity of Christ (noted in the earlier question), while John, as well as quoting the last words of Jesus, was interested in the fulfilment of the salvific message, and so quoted the last phrase "it is finished".

John 17:4 records Jesus' prayer to the Father in the light of Christ's forthcoming crucifixion, stating that He had completed the work of revelation (John 1:18), and since revelation is a particular stress of the Gospel of John, and the cross is the consummation of that commission (John 3:16), it is natural that this Gospel should centre on tetelestai. At any rate, if Jesus said 'It is finished; Father into your hands I commit my spirit' or vice versa, it would be quite in order to record either clause of this sentence, his last words. Luke-Acts reaches its conclusion without any climax, because the continuing ministry of the exalted Christ through the Holy Spirit and the Church has no ending prior to the Parousia, and to record tetelestai might have undermined this emphasis, or it could have been taken the wrong way. At any rate, no contradiction is involved; purely a distinction of emphasis.
 
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Again you answered some, other are still contradictions and doesnt say why they are not but rather gives different theories on why they may be that way. The same as science gives theories that you dont accept.

I see now how translation ties into some of these but others are not explained by that and like i said some of the stuff you posted gives theories not facts. Can I accept theories? Yes with some sort of proof supporting it, but the theories you posted have no proof.
 
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ThaChozenWun;454446 said:
Again you answered some, other are still contradictions and doesnt say why they are not but rather gives different theories on why they may be that way. The same as science gives theories that you dont accept.

I see now how translation ties into some of these but others are not explained by that and like i said some of the stuff you posted gives theories not facts. Can I accept theories? Yes with some sort of proof supporting it, but the theories you posted have no proof.

Just like I thought, You want argument.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;454451 said:
Just like I thought, You want argument.

I accepted some, I look at those with theory differently now. I dont want argument you've done your part, now I will go research these theories and see which one I believe.
 
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God took the 7th day because he was tired and needed a nap, duh. it takes a lot out of an omnipotent being to create a planet.
 
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